Marie Osmond’s son commits suicide

[Number1]

MSNBC

So sad, 19 years old, that's got to be devastating for the family.

 

[0roo0roo]

makes it sound like she's only got one kid, she's got 8

 

[Tristicus]

What a selfish guy.

 

[Leros]

Who is this guy?

 

[Taejin]

What a selfish guy.

Yeah what an ASSHOLE how dare he take his own life

 

[Leros]

Yeah what an ASSHOLE how dare he take his own life

He made his life easier at the expense of everybody around him being in pain.

 

[Acanthus]

He made his life easier at the expense of everybody around him being in pain.

You don't understand depression.

 

[Leros]

You don't understand depression.

How does that matter? He had problems with himself. He got rid of his problems by killing himself. That sounds pretty selfish to me.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

He made his life easier at the expense of everybody around him being in pain.

That's the fault of those people for being around him.

 

[Acanthus]

How does that matter? He had problems with himself. He got rid of his problems by killing himself. That sounds pretty selfish to me.

Because people who are in deep depression are not thinking rationally.

 

[El Guaraguao]

This Osmond lady. Is she one whos on those Jenny Craig commercials with that big tit, red headed, chubby chick?

cuz ill do that red head in teh butt. Osmond, not so much.

Im here all night, ladies n gents.

 

[dennilfloss]

Some Dancing With The Stars pros were tweeting about this earlier today. Sad.

 

[Taejin]

How does that matter? He had problems with himself. He got rid of his problems by killing himself. That sounds pretty selfish to me.

Like he said... you don't understand depression.

 

[zinfamous]

You don't understand depression.

depression is a hell of a thing, believe me. but there is possibly no act mroe selfish that suicide. any psychologist will tell you this, as will those with actual EXPERIENCE with suicide deaths.

 

[yh125d]

I'd kill myself if I were marie osmonds son too

 

[HamburgerBoy]

depression is a hell of a thing, believe me. but there is possibly no act mroe selfish that suicide. any psychologist will tell you this, as will those with actual EXPERIENCE with suicide deaths.

Of course. They have to tell themselves this since they obviously were to incompetent to prevent the suicide.

 

[p2daall]

so sad. nobody should bury their child.

 

[zinfamous]

Because people who are in deep depression are not thinking rationally.

indeed. it's horrible for everyone involved, and no one should make light of it.

still, it's a very selfish act. doesn't mean that the individual is intentionally selfish--it's an inability to think beyond one's self, how others would empathize with your situation, how your actions impact others emotionally, how others really do feel about you, etc.

in the end, it does no good to get angry at the suicide victim as the bereaved are suddenly put into the most difficult of grieving states: "what did I do wrong?"

that is why suicide is explicitly selfish.

 

[Acanthus]

depression is a hell of a thing, believe me. but there is possibly no act mroe selfish that suicide. any psychologist will tell you this, as will those with actual EXPERIENCE with suicide deaths.

It depends entirely on the type of depression. If he had a chemical imbalance he would've been completely irrationally depressed. That type of disorder typically presents itself in the late teens and early 20's.

A lot of times someone with a chemical imbalance doesn't even truly understand why they are sad (because there is no reason) and they try to rationalize it with strange excuses like "i'll never fit in."

Drug use and alcoholism are also connected to chemical imbalances as people try to self-medicate...

It is a very very complicated issue, and without knowing everything it is very short sighted to just call someone who was mentally ill "selfish."

Edit: I agree with your last post. It is explicitly selfish, but not implicitly in all cases.

 

[zinfamous]

Of course. They have to tell themselves this since they obviously were to incompetent to prevent the suicide.

has nothing to do with it. ...and you should stop now before you tread in waters that you didn't want to stir.

 

[zinfamous]

It depends entirely on the type of depression. If he had a chemical imbalance he would've been completely irrationally depressed. That type of disorder typically presents itself in the late teens and early 20's.

A lot of times someone with a chemical imbalance doesn't even truly understand why they are sad (because there is no reason) and they try to rationalize it with strange excuses like "i'll never fit in."

Drug use and alcoholism are also connected to chemical imbalances as people try to self-medicate...

It is a very very complicated issue, and without knowing everything it is very short sighted to just call someone who was mentally ill "selfish."

I ninja-responded before this post, but we're pretty much in agreement, here.

 

[Gothgar]

sucks

 

[SandEagle]

so sad. nobody should bury their child.

why would anyone else want to bury their child? let them take care of it :\

 

[Whisper]

depression is a hell of a thing, believe me. but there is possibly no act mroe selfish that suicide. any psychologist will tell you this, as will those with actual EXPERIENCE with suicide deaths.

I personally don't know many psychologists who would call suicide selfish. Tragic possibly, but generally not selfish. I'm sure there are such psychologists around, but suicide as selfishness is not a particularly widespread or widely-disseminated idea in the mental health community.

 

[Whisper]

It depends entirely on the type of depression. If he had a chemical imbalance he would've been completely irrationally depressed. That type of disorder typically presents itself in the late teens and early 20's.

A lot of times someone with a chemical imbalance doesn't even truly understand why they are sad (because there is no reason) and they try to rationalize it with strange excuses like "i'll never fit in."

Drug use and alcoholism are also connected to chemical imbalances as people try to self-medicate...

It is a very very complicated issue, and without knowing everything it is very short sighted to just call someone who was mentally ill "selfish."

Edit: I agree with your last post. It is explicitly selfish, but not implicitly in all cases.

In actuality, any depression, or any change in mood state at all for that matter, has a neurochemical basis.