Marie Osmond’s son commits suicide

[Gothgar]

why would anyone else want to bury their child? let them take care of it :\

herp a derp

 

[AmerDoux]

depression is a hell of a thing, believe me. but there is possibly no act mroe selfish that suicide. any psychologist will tell you this, as will those with actual EXPERIENCE with suicide deaths.

I have to say, in my 20 years working as a mental health professional in CA, I have never heard a psychiatrist, psychologist, or any MH professional state that suicide was selfish.

I also have actual experience with suicide, having lost my niece to suicide 4 years ago. My sister and her husband are now very involved with suicide prevention and support groups. They would argue to the teeth that suicide is not a selfish act.

You can think whatever you want, but dont impose your beliefs on this subject onto everyone else.

 

[kindest]

i remember reading an article about survivors that jumped off the golden gate bridge attempting suicide and more then one said that as soon as they stepped off the ledge.. all their problems seemed small and insignificant. sad to see anyone die that young.

 

[mugs]

depression is a hell of a thing, believe me. but there is possibly no act mroe selfish that suicide. any psychologist will tell you this, as will those with actual EXPERIENCE with suicide deaths.

I have actual EXPERIENCE with suicide (a family member). You're right, suicide is selfish. So what? If you can't be selfish with your own life, what can you be selfish with?

You know what's selfish? Expecting someone to live in pain just so their relatives can delay the pain of losing them.

It's tragic when someone ends their life because of depression.

 

[Taejin]

no no.. its selfish! they're just being spoiled brats acting selfishly when they decide they're in a place so bleak and dark that they want to get away from it for good.

 

[Narmer]

makes it sound like she's only got one kid, she's got 8

One less mouth to feed. The great recession is no joke.

 

[HannibalX]

What a selfish guy.

This.

 

[yhelothar]

In actuality, any depression, or any change in mood state at all for that matter, has a neurochemical basis.

True. But I think the real question should be a the chicken or the egg problem.

Did the chemical imbalance cause the depression, or did the depression cause the chemical imbalance?

I think it can be either depending on the situation. If you just failed hardcore at life, you're gonna feel depressed. But if you eat shitty foods and only eat one big meal a day, your neurochemical balance is gonna be way off too.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

True. But I think the real question should be a the chicken or the egg problem.

Did the chemical imbalance cause the depression, or did the depression cause the chemical imbalance?

I think it can be either depending on the situation. If you just failed hardcore at life, you're gonna feel depressed. But if you eat shitty foods and only eat one big meal a day, your neurochemical balance is gonna be way off too.

lol no that is not a real question. the imbalance comes first.

 

[Mucho]

What a selfish guy.

I think by the time you reach the point to kill yourself you are pretty much out of your mind. I use to work for the subway system and seen some suicides that were unholy mess.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

What a selfish guy.

I hate this argument... I see people got to it already but still

It blows my mind, its his life, he does whatever he wants with it... Thats like saying its selfish to eat food everyday because you could save thousands of people if you gave it away

But for the record I think suicide is pretty stupid, unless your life is a real living hell and you know theres no point of return anymore, then Id understand, but thats rarely the case

 

[KLin]

I hate this argument... I see people got to it already but still

It blows my mind, its his life, he does whatever he wants with it... Thats like saying its selfish to eat food everyday because you could save thousands of people if you gave it away

But for the record I think suicide is pretty stupid, unless your life is a real living hell and you know theres no point of return anymore, then Id understand, but thats rarely the case

I think it's selfish because there are no doubt a lot of people that loved him(his mother and brothers and sisters, etc.). They are no doubt devastated by him killing himself instead of seeking more help to deal with his depression.

 

[nickbits]

maybe it is selfish, but so what? most things ppl do are selfish.

 

[Whisper]

lol no that is not a real question. the imbalance comes first.

Situational factors can directly affect neurophysiology, so it's not always an assumed truth that the "imbalance" occurs first. Perhaps the "imbalance" is due to a consistent pattern of interpreting and interacting with the environment.

That being said, the current thinking is that it's a combination of different factors. Genetic, physiological, psychological, experiential, and situational components all contribute to the development and maintenance of a depressive state.

 

[NesuD]

It is not a selfish act! It is an act of desperation. People who suffer from severe depression are experiencing what I can only describe as a very intense form of emotional pain. That is what it was for me. Rapid fire uncontrollable racing thoughts, wild paranoia, and the knowledge that you know what is real but cannot grasp it. It inflicts a very real physical pain component and an emotional pain that cannot really be described. To truly understand it you have to experience it and believe me you do not want to do that. Eventually it wears you down to the point that in your tormented mind suicide becomes the only option. It is simply an act of desperation to escape the pain. Try living with the physical pain of having your toenails pulled out repeated every day for many years and tell me you won't be wishing you could just end it all.

Sometimes it is so severe that even meds won't help.

 

[moshquerade]

it is selfish in that they aren't thinking of anyone but themselves. sure, they are mentally ill, not thinking correctly, but they are indeed only thinking of themselves with no regard for others.

argue the point all you want, it remains.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I think it's selfish AT uses this guys dead body as a soapbox to spout there personal beliefs.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

it is selfish in that they aren't thinking of anyone but themselves. sure, they are mentally ill, not thinking correctly, but they are indeed only thinking of themselves with no regard for others.

argue the point all you want, it remains.

yup. like those assholes with renal failure too.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Situational factors can directly affect neurophysiology, so it's not always an assumed truth that the "imbalance" occurs first. Perhaps the "imbalance" is due to a consistent pattern of interpreting and interacting with the environment.

That being said, the current thinking is that it's a combination of different factors. Genetic, physiological, psychological, experiential, and situational components all contribute to the development and maintenance of a depressive state.

true. psychiatry today is like biology was in the early 1900s. we know so little about it and there is so much to be discovered that a lot of theories and current understanding sound like its a bunch of over-educated weirdos making up stuff.

 

[moshquerade]

yup. like those assholes with renal failure too.

absurdly ridiculous comparison.

 

[Whisper]

it is selfish in that they aren't thinking of anyone but themselves. sure, they are mentally ill, not thinking correctly, but they are indeed only thinking of themselves with no regard for others.

argue the point all you want, it remains.

Often times, individuals with depression end up driving off their social supports because of the perpetually-negative perspective with which they view the world. Thus, I'd imagine some people who consider suicide would think they're actually saving their friends and family from continued disappointment and frustration, with this thought being based on observations that said friends and family members just aren't around as much as they used to be.

 

[TridenT]

Wow, people are not thinking well here.

Committing suicide does not equal selfishness, at all. Committing suicide while others still really really really deeply love and care for you and try EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO HELP YOU is approximately equal to selfishness.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

absurdly ridiculous comparison.

to a certain extent, yeah, it is absurd. i was being an ass. but both are pathological states of the body and can kill you. however, suicide is something actively committed by someone so its easy to think of it as a conscious and controlled action, which makes it seem selfish in comparison.

 

[Rudee]

I'd kill myself if I were marie osmonds son too

I'd kill myself if I had your life.