Marijuana is by far the safest recreational drug, study finds

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SlowSpyder

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In reality, most people can easily manage caffeine intake. You have to really, really push it to overdose. But that's the point, cannabis is significantly safer than caffeine. Of course smoking cannabis can bother your lungs, but it's medically accepted now cannabis smoke doesn't do nearly the harm tobacco does (easily quantified by lack of cases of cancer due to cannabis smoke). If you remove smoking from the occasion, and look at cannabis buds the same way you do coffee beans, anybody would agree smoking coffee beans wouldn't be good either.

However, the consequences of over-doing caffeine intake are far more dramatic than cannabis. The nerve damage can ruin your life.


But even the smoke appears to be a pretty moderate irritant more so than a likely health risk. But, much like coffee beans to coffee, you can enjoy marijuana in ways other than smoking. If you remove smoke from the equation, how much damage do the chemicals in marijuana cause on their own? It looks like the health risk is exceedingly low. Lower than many substances and chemicals that are legal. I don't get the rationale of keeping it illegal.
 

bshole

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But even the smoke appears to be a pretty moderate irritant more so than a likely health risk. But, much like coffee beans to coffee, you can enjoy marijuana in ways other than smoking. If you remove smoke from the equation, how much damage do the chemicals in marijuana cause on their own? It looks like the health risk is exceedingly low. Lower than many substances and chemicals that are legal. I don't get the rationale of keeping it illegal.

While it should be legal, you should not be minimizing the health risks associated with long term pot usage. Be honest about those risks up front. You don't need to pimp pot to legalize it. Legalization is a matter of personal freedom, not an endorsement of a potentially harmful drug.
 

Jhhnn

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While it should be legal, you should not be minimizing the health risks associated with long term pot usage. Be honest about those risks up front. You don't need to pimp pot to legalize it. Legalization is a matter of personal freedom, not an endorsement of a potentially harmful drug.

Those "health risks" have not been quantified in a meaningful way. I imagine they're somewhat lower than being locked up with violent criminals.
 

TechBoyJK

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While it should be legal, you should not be minimizing the health risks associated with long term pot usage. Be honest about those risks up front. You don't need to pimp pot to legalize it. Legalization is a matter of personal freedom, not an endorsement of a potentially harmful drug.

You should not be minimizing the relative harm of pot, including the minimal risks associated with long term pot usage. Let's be honest, smoking a joint every day of your life isn't going to do anything more than give you chronic bronchitis. It won't/doesn't cause cancer, is less addictive than Pepsi, and as long as you are an adult, doesn't have any long term impact on brain function or lung function. If we provide adults a regulated market to acquire cannabis, they can make informed decisions and consume cannabis that meets their needs; not what their shady dealer wants to sell them.
 

Subyman

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In other news, a .22 is the safest bullet to shoot yourself with.
 

TechBoyJK

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In other news, a .22 is the safest bullet to shoot yourself with.

That makes zero sense when applied to cannabis.

#fail

1) You can elaborate on the comparison and risk losing respect here

2) Or admit it's not a fair comparison and that they simply don't equate in any meaningful way
 
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pcgeek11

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In reality, most people can easily manage caffeine intake. You have to really, really push it to overdose. But that's the point, cannabis is significantly safer than caffeine. Of course smoking cannabis can bother your lungs, but it's medically accepted now cannabis smoke doesn't do nearly the harm tobacco does (easily quantified by lack of cases of cancer due to cannabis smoke). If you remove smoking from the occasion, and look at cannabis buds the same way you do coffee beans, anybody would agree smoking coffee beans wouldn't be good either.

However, the consequences of over-doing caffeine intake are far more dramatic than cannabis. The nerve damage can ruin your life.


Yes and you can also die from over dosing on water too. Crap you are slow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...drinking-17-pints-hours-soothe-sore-gums.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/strange-but-true-drinking-too-much-water-can-kill/
 

ch33zw1z

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pcgeek, you're making a strong case for responsible consumption of potentially dangerous substances. Also know as, moderation. Too much of anything can hurt you, including water and caffeine. So, thanks for agreeing.

Times, they are a-changin'. Medical MJ is paving the way to real education and a reasonable stance on MJ, legalization in other states is imminent. MJ opponents think this will lead to terrible things, when in reality MJ users have been functioning in society just fine for as long as there's been MJ partakers.

MJ opponents and supporters of prohibition have had their time, and what do we have to show for it. Overcrowded prisons, and huge DEA bill every year, and millions of people affected by negative policies that just don't work.
 
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TechBoyJK

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But even the smoke appears to be a pretty moderate irritant more so than a likely health risk. But, much like coffee beans to coffee, you can enjoy marijuana in ways other than smoking. If you remove smoke from the equation, how much damage do the chemicals in marijuana cause on their own? It looks like the health risk is exceedingly low. Lower than many substances and chemicals that are legal. I don't get the rationale of keeping it illegal.

I totally agree.
 

TechBoyJK

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Coffee 'can' be good for you. Just like cannabis 'can' be good for you.

Is that clear?

I'm not slow, btw, everything I have said is true and factual. Articles that say coffee can be good for you do not negate the fact that it is more addictive than marijuana, and the harms from abuse are much worse than marijuana. Don't you agree?
 

TechBoyJK

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Um, I have mentioned in many discussions on anandtech that you can overdose on water. This isn't news to me. And the fact that you can overdose on water has nothing to do with the point I was making; so I'm not slow, you just didn't comprehend the point to begin with.
 

SlowSpyder

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I said caffeine is worse for you, not coffee. But I'm glad you said coffee. Because it helps to illustrate how, just like cannabis, even though separate components of the plant may be bad for you, when taken as a whole things can be different.

Marijuana smoke has carcinogens in it, yet there is no link to cancer. Coffee has caffeine in it, which has known health risks. But, coffee as a whole has some benefits that can outweigh those health risks as well as some compounds that can be beneficial on their own.
 

TechBoyJK

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I said caffeine is worse for you, not coffee. But I'm glad you said coffee. Because it helps to illustrate how, just like cannabis, even though separate components of the plant may be bad for you, when taken as a whole things can be different.

Marijuana smoke has carcinogens in it, yet there is no link to cancer. Coffee has caffeine in it, which has known health risks. But, coffee as a whole has some benefits that can outweigh those health risks as well as some compounds that can be beneficial on their own.

In reality, PCGeek has made the argument against prohibition, indirectly, because the point he tried to make about coffee and water actually works for cannabis too.
 

Zor Prime

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Know someone up in Ohio that's a police detective that works on busting drug rings and the like.

He said in over 20 years of putting people behind bars for drugs not once has he ever encountered a violent offender that was doing marijuana. Alcohol, and other drugs higher on the chart, a totally different case.

Marijuana didn't bother him a bit and said as much, but hey it's against the law there, so, has to do his job.
 

pcgeek11

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Coffee 'can' be good for you. Just like cannabis 'can' be good for you.

Is that clear?

I'm not slow, btw, everything I have said is true and factual. Articles that say coffee can be good for you do not negate the fact that it is more addictive than marijuana, and the harms from abuse are much worse than marijuana. Don't you agree?

No actually I do not agree. I have never seen anyone become a lump of worthless flesh from drinking too much coffee. MJ on the other hand ...
 

TechBoyJK

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No actually I do not agree. I have never seen anyone become a lump of worthless flesh from drinking too much coffee. MJ on the other hand ...

You seem to have come down with a case of confirmation bias

http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/c/confirmation_bias.htm

Certain strands of weed can definitely make you lazy; these are called Indicas. However, almost every habitual coffee drinker I know is a lump of worthless flesh until they've had their morning joe. Then again, that's just my experience. I'm not sitting here saying if you're a coffee addict that you'll certainly have withdrawals and you'll be a worthless piece of flesh until you get your fix. Nope, not saying that.
 

SlowSpyder

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No actually I do not agree. I have never seen anyone become a lump of worthless flesh from drinking too much coffee. MJ on the other hand ...


Ok, so to you liberties should be based on whether or not it helps with getting work done? So, how do you feel about other uppers that are in fact very unhealthy for you?

Also, this.

You've done nothing but spout off illogical reasoning. Because the handful of people you know who smoke marijuana are worthless by your measure, no one should be allowed to have it. That's what you seem to be saying. You're ignoring the science that shows it is safer than many, many other legal drugs and even foods / food additives. You are ignoring the fact that there are millions of marijuana smokers that have productive lives and careers. You are ignoring the possibility that the people you know who smoke marijuana may have been prone to be 'worthless' to you anyway.
 
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shira

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No actually I do not agree. I have never seen anyone become a lump of worthless flesh from drinking too much coffee. MJ on the other hand ...

Simple question: Should people be allowed to engage in potentially unhealthy behaviors?
 

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Remember that God will only reward you if you work hard to make something of your life. Keep that nose to the grindstone. Any pleasures taken without sacrificing your life and health to achieve them, are pleasures of the devil. MJ is a devil's drug. You might accidentally feel happy and that can't be tolerated. Reward comes in the next life. This one is a test of misery. Happy here, fucked in the next.
 

bshole

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Remember that God will only reward you if you work hard to make something of your life. Keep that nose to the grindstone. Any pleasures taken without sacrificing your life and health to achieve them, are pleasures of the devil. MJ is a devil's drug. You might accidentally feel happy and that can't be tolerated. Reward comes in the next life. This one is a test of misery. Happy here, fucked in the next.

Happiness is an accident of brain chemistry. You are born that way. Whether you believe in God or not has no influence on your happiness, that was deteremined before you were even born.
 
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