marijuana should be legal?

[Ns1]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: EXman
rationalizations to smoke something that makes you a fat lazy bastard that does not contribute to society willing to give up real life concerns to get high. Overgeneralization for sure but it is more accurate than the it doesn't hurt other people Overgeneralization.

Honestly you all must have alot of free time on your hands because I have no time to sit around and use drugs. Real life doesn't stop because you want to get high. Shit needs to get done and when your high you don't care. Why do you see 40-50 yo stoners still wearing stuff from the seventies. They don't care about buying clothes, or how they look or smell, they want to get high.

LOL, during the years that I smoked pot, I graduated from college with a degree in accounting, went from a $7/hour job to a $36K/year job with benefits, which I quit to start a successful business.

Yup.

EXman- yes it's true, there are the uber lazy stoners that have absolutely no care or worry in the world. But hey, you know what? Most of them are quite happy with their carefree lifestyle. The same cannot be said for most SOBER people working 60-100 hours/week who care "too much".

There are SO MANY white collar folks that smoke, me included. We work our 40-70 hour work weeks, and we come home we just want to chill and smoke afterwards. We don't bring that shit to work, it's just what we use to relax instead of a beer.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: EXman

Originally posted by: KurskKnyaz
1. Marijuana does not cause brain damage, even heavy use. It may even trigger neauron proliferation:

Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society Study

Cannabinoid injections sprout new neurons in mice

2. Although marijuana has a higher tar content that cigerets, it does not cause lung cancer. In fact, you chances of lung cancer is less that that of non-cigarette-smokers if you use marijuana. This is likely because of its affects on the immune system that remain largely undetermined

Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection

Cannabis Compound Slows Cancer Spread in Mice, Researchers Say

3. A massive study done in australia shows that driving under the influence of marijuana is not dangerous

Cannabis and driving - more evidence (can't link to actual study)


Like any drug marijuana is good or bad for you depending on the context of use. It definitely has medicinal properties which is why the FDA approved Dronabinol. So what the federal government is telling the American people is that cannabis is a dangerous drug with no medicinal purposes and a high potential for abuse, but its active ingredient has legitimate medicinal purposes. ...kind of like saying willow plants that contain acetylsalicylic acid have no medicinal use but the acetylsalicylic acid found in aspirin does.

Don't get me wrong, marijuana does plenty of bad things to your body. If I was told in school that THC is converted into a female hormone within my body that can cause my nipples to swell, my sexual function to decrease, my testosterone to drop, and all the bad things that result from endocrine imbalance; I would not have smoked as much as I did. Too bad all they showed me was a boiling egg on a frying pan and giant turtles who told me I was uncool. (BTW, when you and 3 of your friends are c0ck-blocking each other from trying to bang a news reporter and your only other friend is a giant rat, you have no authority in telling anyone what's cool or uncool)

Oh and to the "think of the children crowd":

How many children with leukemia and other cancers have to suffer because conservatives government is trying to set back research on the effects of cannabis on the immune system and on managing pain, under the premises that legalizing marijuana for medicinal use/research will send a message to children that its okay to do drugs. If we had that attitude towards opioids we would not have the pain relievers that we have today.

rationalizations to smoke something that makes you a fat lazy bastard that does not contribute to society willing to give up real life concerns to get high. Overgeneralization for sure but it is more accurate than the it doesn't hurt other people Overgeneralization.

Honestly you all must have alot of free time on your hands because I have no time to sit around and use drugs. Real life doesn't stop because you want to get high. Shit needs to get done and when your high you don't care. Why do you see 40-50 yo stoners still wearing stuff from the seventies. They don't care about buying clothes, or how they look or smell, they want to get high.

You need time to get high. Thats why I haven't touched weed in 8 months. If you have no time for yourself that is also terrible. Things will always need to get done. Make free time one of those things

 

[summit]

Cause you can really tax the sketchy guy at the 7-11? It's not like Marlboro is producting weederettes.

 

[mikelish]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B1NggzEkltM

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: EXman
rationalizations to smoke something that makes you a fat lazy bastard that does not contribute to society willing to give up real life concerns to get high. Overgeneralization for sure but it is more accurate than the it doesn't hurt other people Overgeneralization.

Honestly you all must have alot of free time on your hands because I have no time to sit around and use drugs. Real life doesn't stop because you want to get high. Shit needs to get done and when your high you don't care. Why do you see 40-50 yo stoners still wearing stuff from the seventies. They don't care about buying clothes, or how they look or smell, they want to get high.

That's a really stupid argument. By your logic there's no time for any leisure activity. What is the difference between watching TV and smoking a joint?

In order to make your argument not stupid you would have to A.) prove that pot smokers are less productive then regular citizens of a similar group, and B.) prove that weed was the causal factor for it.

Good luck.

 

[Vic]

This just in: Walt Disney World closed to satisfy the drug warriors. Vacations and weekends to be outlawed. :roll:

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Comanche
I am just curious if anyone here had children or has children would want their 5 year old son or daughter doing any of these drugs. Suppose that we legalize the drugs suggested here. You have them in your house, and you know how kids are. They see you doing it, why can't they?

...moral highground snipped

? Why the hell would legalizing pot make people who don't otherwise, start leaving it laying around the house for the kids to view and roll up? 5 year old kids see their parents smoking cigarettes and drinking beer daily, does that make them drunks by 5 with emphysema by 10? Of course not, your "concerns" have gotten ridiculous now. Stop being a pimple on the ass of progress.

Funny how the people who protest the most about mj are the ones who could benefit from it the most. That's irony for ya.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: Comanche
We have a hard enough time trying to keep alcohol out of the hands of minors, let alone doubling the problem with legalizing drugs.

Do you really want to have that many more people driving cars down the road stoned? It is bad enough as it is.

What a horrible comparison... you act like every single person that drinks is out dui'ing it this very moment.


Someone high on pot is not going to get in a car and drive (from what I've seen/heard, anyway)

Edit:

Any imo all of the "hard" drugs should stay illegal.

 

[Comanche]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Comanche
I am just curious if anyone here had children or has children would want their 5 year old son or daughter doing any of these drugs. Suppose that we legalize the drugs suggested here. You have them in your house, and you know how kids are. They see you doing it, why can't they?

...moral highground snipped

? Why the hell would legalizing pot make people who don't otherwise, start leaving it laying around the house for the kids to view and roll up? 5 year old kids see their parents smoking cigarettes and drinking beer daily, does that make them drunks by 5 with emphysema by 10? Of course not, your "concerns" have gotten ridiculous now. Stop being a pimple on the ass of progress.

Funny how the people who protest the most about mj are the ones who could benefit from it the most. That's irony for ya.

Insult noted. Feel better.
Well, just to show that I am not just speaking with my head up you know where. I find this
http://www.ohsinc.com/marijuana_THC_grass.htm
People do smoke weed and drive, I have done it. It was a really scary feeling to. Police know to watch for people driving at slower speed to check for weed because they know that is what someone does when they drive after smoking it.

I think there are enough ills in our society that we don't need to add anymore to it. You may say that it is already one of the ills, but that doesn't mean that condone that either. I don't think that we have lost the war on drugs, I think it is at a stalemate.

One top of all that I still think that by making it mainstream we are setting ourselves up for more children using it underage. When I say more, I mean more than the number of kids who are using it illegally now. How many kids out there have had alcohol vrs. how many out there have tried weed. So, lets just legalize it and make both those numbers the same.

I still say no!

 

[Onita]

Originally posted by: Comanche

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Comanche
I am just curious if anyone here had children or has children would want their 5 year old son or daughter doing any of these drugs. Suppose that we legalize the drugs suggested here. You have them in your house, and you know how kids are. They see you doing it, why can't they?

...moral highground snipped

? Why the hell would legalizing pot make people who don't otherwise, start leaving it laying around the house for the kids to view and roll up? 5 year old kids see their parents smoking cigarettes and drinking beer daily, does that make them drunks by 5 with emphysema by 10? Of course not, your "concerns" have gotten ridiculous now. Stop being a pimple on the ass of progress.

Funny how the people who protest the most about mj are the ones who could benefit from it the most. That's irony for ya.

Insult noted. Feel better.
Well, just to show that I am not just speaking with my head up you know where. I find this
http://www.ohsinc.com/marijuana_THC_grass.htm
People do smoke weed and drive, I have done it. It was a really scary feeling to. Police know to watch for people driving at slower speed to check for weed because they know that is what someone does when they drive after smoking it.

I think there are enough ills in our society that we don't need to add anymore to it. You may say that it is already one of the ills, but that doesn't mean that condone that either. I don't think that we have lost the war on drugs, I think it is at a stalemate.

One top of all that I still think that by making it mainstream we are setting ourselves up for more children using it underage. When I say more, I mean more than the number of kids who are using it illegally now. How many kids out there have had alcohol vrs. how many out there have tried weed. So, lets just legalize it and make both those numbers the same.

I still say no!

You didn't actually just cite a drug testing company as your source, did you?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Vic
Actually, they don't want legalization. That's why the actual marijuana users are fighting for decriminalization instead. They don't want to lose their black market subculture. To put it in perspective, and despite what you may have heard to the contrary, it's a lot easier to brew your own beer than it is to grow your own weed. That should tell you what's going to happen to the drug subculture under legalization.

Who is this they you speak of? NORML? ACLU? A some random special interest group?

Decriminalization in my opinion is just a half assed attempt at trying to solve a very easy to solve problem.

 

[Comanche]

Originally posted by: rpkelly

Originally posted by: Comanche

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Comanche
I am just curious if anyone here had children or has children would want their 5 year old son or daughter doing any of these drugs. Suppose that we legalize the drugs suggested here. You have them in your house, and you know how kids are. They see you doing it, why can't they?

...moral highground snipped

? Why the hell would legalizing pot make people who don't otherwise, start leaving it laying around the house for the kids to view and roll up? 5 year old kids see their parents smoking cigarettes and drinking beer daily, does that make them drunks by 5 with emphysema by 10? Of course not, your "concerns" have gotten ridiculous now. Stop being a pimple on the ass of progress.

Funny how the people who protest the most about mj are the ones who could benefit from it the most. That's irony for ya.

Insult noted. Feel better.
Well, just to show that I am not just speaking with my head up you know where. I find this
http://www.ohsinc.com/marijuana_THC_grass.htm
People do smoke weed and drive, I have done it. It was a really scary feeling to. Police know to watch for people driving at slower speed to check for weed because they know that is what someone does when they drive after smoking it.

I think there are enough ills in our society that we don't need to add anymore to it. You may say that it is already one of the ills, but that doesn't mean that condone that either. I don't think that we have lost the war on drugs, I think it is at a stalemate.

One top of all that I still think that by making it mainstream we are setting ourselves up for more children using it underage. When I say more, I mean more than the number of kids who are using it illegally now. How many kids out there have had alcohol vrs. how many out there have tried weed. So, lets just legalize it and make both those numbers the same.

I still say no!

You didn't actually just cite a drug testing company as your source, did you?

As a matter of fact, I just did!

 

[Onita]

Originally posted by: Comanche

Originally posted by: rpkelly

Originally posted by: Comanche

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Comanche
I am just curious if anyone here had children or has children would want their 5 year old son or daughter doing any of these drugs. Suppose that we legalize the drugs suggested here. You have them in your house, and you know how kids are. They see you doing it, why can't they?

...moral highground snipped

? Why the hell would legalizing pot make people who don't otherwise, start leaving it laying around the house for the kids to view and roll up? 5 year old kids see their parents smoking cigarettes and drinking beer daily, does that make them drunks by 5 with emphysema by 10? Of course not, your "concerns" have gotten ridiculous now. Stop being a pimple on the ass of progress.

Funny how the people who protest the most about mj are the ones who could benefit from it the most. That's irony for ya.

Insult noted. Feel better.
Well, just to show that I am not just speaking with my head up you know where. I find this
http://www.ohsinc.com/marijuana_THC_grass.htm
People do smoke weed and drive, I have done it. It was a really scary feeling to. Police know to watch for people driving at slower speed to check for weed because they know that is what someone does when they drive after smoking it.

I think there are enough ills in our society that we don't need to add anymore to it. You may say that it is already one of the ills, but that doesn't mean that condone that either. I don't think that we have lost the war on drugs, I think it is at a stalemate.

One top of all that I still think that by making it mainstream we are setting ourselves up for more children using it underage. When I say more, I mean more than the number of kids who are using it illegally now. How many kids out there have had alcohol vrs. how many out there have tried weed. So, lets just legalize it and make both those numbers the same.

I still say no!

You didn't actually just cite a drug testing company as your source, did you?

As a matter of fact, I just did!

You really are grasping at straws.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Comanche

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Comanche
I am just curious if anyone here had children or has children would want their 5 year old son or daughter doing any of these drugs. Suppose that we legalize the drugs suggested here. You have them in your house, and you know how kids are. They see you doing it, why can't they?

...moral highground snipped

? Why the hell would legalizing pot make people who don't otherwise, start leaving it laying around the house for the kids to view and roll up? 5 year old kids see their parents smoking cigarettes and drinking beer daily, does that make them drunks by 5 with emphysema by 10? Of course not, your "concerns" have gotten ridiculous now. Stop being a pimple on the ass of progress.

Funny how the people who protest the most about mj are the ones who could benefit from it the most. That's irony for ya.

Insult noted. Feel better.
Well, just to show that I am not just speaking with my head up you know where. I find this
http://www.ohsinc.com/marijuana_THC_grass.htm
People do smoke weed and drive, I have done it. It was a really scary feeling to. Police know to watch for people driving at slower speed to check for weed because they know that is what someone does when they drive after smoking it.

I think there are enough ills in our society that we don't need to add anymore to it. You may say that it is already one of the ills, but that doesn't mean that condone that either. I don't think that we have lost the war on drugs, I think it is at a stalemate.

One top of all that I still think that by making it mainstream we are setting ourselves up for more children using it underage. When I say more, I mean more than the number of kids who are using it illegally now. How many kids out there have had alcohol vrs. how many out there have tried weed. So, lets just legalize it and make both those numbers the same.

I still say no!

Let's take the safer and cautious drivers off the street. :roll:

 

[Comanche]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Comanche

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Comanche
I am just curious if anyone here had children or has children would want their 5 year old son or daughter doing any of these drugs. Suppose that we legalize the drugs suggested here. You have them in your house, and you know how kids are. They see you doing it, why can't they?

...moral highground snipped

? Why the hell would legalizing pot make people who don't otherwise, start leaving it laying around the house for the kids to view and roll up? 5 year old kids see their parents smoking cigarettes and drinking beer daily, does that make them drunks by 5 with emphysema by 10? Of course not, your "concerns" have gotten ridiculous now. Stop being a pimple on the ass of progress.

Funny how the people who protest the most about mj are the ones who could benefit from it the most. That's irony for ya.

Insult noted. Feel better.
Well, just to show that I am not just speaking with my head up you know where. I find this
http://www.ohsinc.com/marijuana_THC_grass.htm
People do smoke weed and drive, I have done it. It was a really scary feeling to. Police know to watch for people driving at slower speed to check for weed because they know that is what someone does when they drive after smoking it.

I think there are enough ills in our society that we don't need to add anymore to it. You may say that it is already one of the ills, but that doesn't mean that condone that either. I don't think that we have lost the war on drugs, I think it is at a stalemate.

One top of all that I still think that by making it mainstream we are setting ourselves up for more children using it underage. When I say more, I mean more than the number of kids who are using it illegally now. How many kids out there have had alcohol vrs. how many out there have tried weed. So, lets just legalize it and make both those numbers the same.

I still say no!

Let's take the safer and cautious drivers off the street. :roll:

I never thougth of that. I love this response!

 

[Onita]

Originally posted by: Comanche

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Comanche

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Comanche
I am just curious if anyone here had children or has children would want their 5 year old son or daughter doing any of these drugs. Suppose that we legalize the drugs suggested here. You have them in your house, and you know how kids are. They see you doing it, why can't they?

...moral highground snipped

? Why the hell would legalizing pot make people who don't otherwise, start leaving it laying around the house for the kids to view and roll up? 5 year old kids see their parents smoking cigarettes and drinking beer daily, does that make them drunks by 5 with emphysema by 10? Of course not, your "concerns" have gotten ridiculous now. Stop being a pimple on the ass of progress.

Funny how the people who protest the most about mj are the ones who could benefit from it the most. That's irony for ya.

Insult noted. Feel better.
Well, just to show that I am not just speaking with my head up you know where. I find this
http://www.ohsinc.com/marijuana_THC_grass.htm
People do smoke weed and drive, I have done it. It was a really scary feeling to. Police know to watch for people driving at slower speed to check for weed because they know that is what someone does when they drive after smoking it.

I think there are enough ills in our society that we don't need to add anymore to it. You may say that it is already one of the ills, but that doesn't mean that condone that either. I don't think that we have lost the war on drugs, I think it is at a stalemate.

One top of all that I still think that by making it mainstream we are setting ourselves up for more children using it underage. When I say more, I mean more than the number of kids who are using it illegally now. How many kids out there have had alcohol vrs. how many out there have tried weed. So, lets just legalize it and make both those numbers the same.

I still say no!

Let's take the safer and cautious drivers off the street. :roll:

I never thougth of that. I love this response!

Are you just trolling now?

 

[Comanche]

A lot of you have been saying that there is not a health risk smoking pot. Well a little research has brought me all these

http://www.medindia.net/news/S...sease-Risk-32673-1.htm
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/318/6/347
http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/ma...-health-mythology.html

the last one is from people who would like to see it legalized. And as far as I can tell they aren't from the other side.

So, would you still like your son or child to have easy access to this stuff?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: Vic
Actually, they don't want legalization. That's why the actual marijuana users are fighting for decriminalization instead. They don't want to lose their black market subculture. To put it in perspective, and despite what you may have heard to the contrary, it's a lot easier to brew your own beer than it is to grow your own weed. That should tell you what's going to happen to the drug subculture under legalization.

Who is this they you speak of? NORML? ACLU? A some random special interest group?

Decriminalization in my opinion is just a half assed attempt at trying to solve a very easy to solve problem.

Well, I agree. The "they" I was using in this instance was purely anecdotal of my personal experiences, and not any actual organization.


Have you ever noticed that drug warriors, like those in thread, always argue as though the drug war has actually worked? When we all know that it hasn't? So it's as though stoned drivers aren't ALREADY on the road? As though they aren't already MILLIONS of regular illicit (and thus, unregulated) drug users already in our society? As though children all across the country can't easily get drugs because drug dealers don't card and don't care? So they can then argue that legalization would somehow add to society's ills, as though no one in our society does drugs now?
And then they say you gotta take drugs to be stupid and out of touch with reality...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Comanche
A lot of you have been saying that there is not a health risk smoking pot. Well a little research has brought me all these

http://www.medindia.net/news/S...sease-Risk-32673-1.htm
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/318/6/347
http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/ma...-health-mythology.html

the last one is from people who would like to see it legalized. And as far as I can tell they aren't from the other side.

So, would you still like your son or child to have easy access to this stuff?

The problem, dumbass, is that they already do.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Comanche
A lot of you have been saying that there is not a health risk smoking pot. Well a little research has brought me all these

http://www.medindia.net/news/S...sease-Risk-32673-1.htm
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/318/6/347
http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/ma...-health-mythology.html

the last one is from people who would like to see it legalized. And as far as I can tell they aren't from the other side.

So, would you still like your son or child to have easy access to this stuff?

How many times do we have to say this, IT WOULD STILL BE ILLEGAL FOR A CHILD TO SMOKE POT.

It is much more dangerous for my son to drink that gallon of Drano that I have under my sink, should we outlaw that too?

 

[Onita]

Originally posted by: Comanche
A lot of you have been saying that there is not a health risk smoking pot. Well a little research has brought me all these

http://www.medindia.net/news/S...sease-Risk-32673-1.htm
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/318/6/347
http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/ma...-health-mythology.html

the last one is from people who would like to see it legalized. And as far as I can tell they aren't from the other side.

So, would you still like your son or child to have easy access to this stuff?

I still fail to see how it is "easy access" by legalizing it. IMO, it would be safer access. The g'ment can then control what goes into it and where it comes from. It'd also potentially be safer buying it from the store rather than a dealer.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Comanche
A lot of you have been saying that there is not a health risk smoking pot. Well a little research has brought me all these

http://www.medindia.net/news/S...sease-Risk-32673-1.htm
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/318/6/347
http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/ma...-health-mythology.html

the last one is from people who would like to see it legalized. And as far as I can tell they aren't from the other side.

So, would you still like your son or child to have easy access to this stuff?

The problem, dumbass, is that they already do.

Think of the children!!!11!!!1!1

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: rpkelly

Originally posted by: Comanche
A lot of you have been saying that there is not a health risk smoking pot. Well a little research has brought me all these

http://www.medindia.net/news/S...sease-Risk-32673-1.htm
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/318/6/347
http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/ma...-health-mythology.html

the last one is from people who would like to see it legalized. And as far as I can tell they aren't from the other side.

So, would you still like your son or child to have easy access to this stuff?

I still fail to see how it is "easy access" by legalizing it. IMO, it would be safer access. The g'ment can then control what goes into it and where it comes from. It'd also potentially be safer buying it from the store rather than a dealer.

and drug-related crime would plummet and the 50 bill we blow on enforcing drug crimes would be devoted to more productive means...like education.

i will repeat, there is no correlation between drugs and violence. Amsterdam has a lower murder rate than the safest US city.

if people can get drunk, smoke ciggerates, and drive while talking on the cell phone..then they should be allowed to smoke pot.

and even when assuming pot is the most deadliest drugs, this war on drugs has been an epic failure...so what's the point of continuing it?

 

[Mavtek3100]

There is a clear reason why Hemp is still Illegal. I call it the "stupid people" factor. There's a lot of them out there, they are the ones lining up and voting John McCain.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
There is a clear reason why Hemp is still Illegal. I call it the "stupid people" factor. There's a lot of them out there, they are the ones lining up and voting John McCain.

That's moronic, and demonstrates why it's still illegal - too many of the people supporting legalization are just plain twits. To destroy your silly theory, I'm leaning closer to McCain than Obama (Obama will never get my vote - I'm still undecided between McCain and whoever the Libertarians have on the ballot), and I have no problem with the legalization of marijuana. It can't be any worse than cigarettes or fast food, and regardless, I don't believe in the gov't-as-mommy theory of governance. And I have 4 kids.