Marine faces 15 years behind bars for unknowingly violating gun law

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Ryan Jerome was enjoying his first trip to New York City on business when the former Marine Corps gunner walked up to a security officer at the Empire State Building and asked where he should check his gun.
That was when Jerome’s nightmare began. The security officer called police and Jerome spent the next two days in jail.


The 28-year-old with no criminal history now faces a mandatory minimum sentence of three and a half years in prison. If convicted, his sentence could be as high as fifteen years.
Jerome has a valid concealed carry permit in Indiana and visited New York believing that it was legal to bring his firearm. He was traveling with $15,000 worth of jewelry that he planned to sell.


The online gun-law information Jerome read was inaccurate, however, and his late September arrest initiated what may become a protracted criminal saga. He hasn’t yet been indicted by a grand jury, but there may be little legal wiggle-room if he is.


“If he does get indicted, and they want to give him something less, then the legal minimum would be two years,” noted Mark Bederow, Jerome’s attorney. “They couldn’t even offer less if they wanted to.”


Jerome isn’t the first out-of-state visitor to volunteer that they had a gun, only to be put through the wringer. In December, Tennessee nurse Meredith Graves noticed a “no guns” sign at the World Trade Center site and asked where she could leave her weapon, only to face similar charges.
Also in December, Tea Party Patriots co-founder Mark Meckler was arrested after attempting to check a pistol — for which he has a California concealed carry permit — at a New York airport.
The law in New York has the potential to wreak havoc on the lives of unwitting and otherwise law-abiding visitors, Bederow explained to The Daily Caller.
“The law itself is clear,” he said, “if you knowingly possess a loaded firearm in New York, then you are technically guilty of a serious crime. The fact that somebody in another state has a valid concealed carry permit is, legally speaking, irrelevant in New York.”


But the recent spate of tourist arrests wasn’t what was intended when the law was passed, said Bederow. “Subjecting the toughest gun laws in the country — here in New York — to subject these people to them is just not a good use of discretion.”


“The law is not equipped to deal with these situations, and they happen all the time,” he added. “Here are people trying to be responsible.”
There is a significant degree of uncertainty regarding how the case will proceed. Right now, Bederow said he’s hoping that the district attorney will use discretion and recognize that his client “is not a criminal.”


“I’ve been a law-abiding citizen my entire life, and for something like this to come down, it rips me apart,” Jerome told the New York Post. “It’s like taking a good dog and scolding him for something he didn’t do.”


http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/03/m...ehind-bars-for-unknowingly-violating-gun-law/
 

JulesMaximus

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Jul 3, 2003
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That's ridiculous. Is there no room for common sense when it comes to enforcing the law?
 

HAL9000

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I'll never understand why every state in America acts independantly from one another there seems to be no national law over there, it's like continent not a country.

The EU seems to have more common laws than the US.
 

amdhunter

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It's NYC gun laws that make me feel I am going to get killed by some punk kid in my neighborhood.

It's only 3 days into the year and already 3 shootings in less than ¼ mile of me. link.

There's no way of defending yourself in my neighborhood lately.
 

Dirigible

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He clearly violated the law and is thus a scumsucking good for nothing criminal waste who deserves to rot in jail.
 

randomrogue

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Um, isn't it common sense that different states have different gun laws? Carrying a gun in public would be one of those things you'd want to really be careful with. The thing this guy has got going for him is that there is precedent (Did the guy at the WTC get set free?) and the website was wrong.
 

JulesMaximus

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Um, isn't it common sense that different states have different gun laws? Carrying a gun in public would be one of those things you'd want to really be careful with. The thing this guy has got going for him is that there is precedent (Did the guy at the WTC get set free?) and the website was wrong.

I went through airport security years prior to 9/11 with a loaded .45 clip in my carry on bag. They pulled it out and I explained that I forgot it was in there, that I use that bag to go to the shooting range and that I never intended to bring it on the plane. They let my wife pick it up on the way out (she was dropping me off for a business trip). This was in San Diego, CA.

Today I'd probably be arrested, given the anal probe, put on a do not fly list, and/or prison.
 

JulesMaximus

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I complained about states' rights, but I'm apparently a liberal...

Well, you're British. It's pretty much mandatory isn't it? :sneaky:

And you didn't complain about states rights. You said there should be uniform laws across all the states. That's the opposite of states rights.
 

HAL9000

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Well, you're British. It's pretty much mandatory isn't it? :sneaky:

We have a conservative party. Our priminister is a conservative.

And you didn't complain about states rights. You said there should be uniform laws across all the states. That's the opposite of states rights.

Yes, and me promoting the oposite of states rights is complaining about them isn't it?
 

sdifox

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It's NYC gun laws that make me feel I am going to get killed by some punk kid in my neighborhood.

It's only 3 days into the year and already 3 shootings in less than ¼ mile of me. link.

There's no way of defending yourself in my neighborhood lately.

we have had 3 homicide here 3 days into the year too, not sure if anyare gun related. People will find a way to kill, guns just makes it easier.
 

SandEagle

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It's NYC gun laws that make me feel I am going to get killed by some punk kid in my neighborhood.

It's only 3 days into the year and already 3 shootings in less than ¼ mile of me. link.

There's no way of defending yourself in my neighborhood lately.

stay safe amdhunter
 

ShawnD1

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Today I'd probably be arrested, given the anal probe, put on a do not fly list, and/or prison.

Welcome to America, the country where approximately 98% of everyone has a criminal record. You brought Midol to school to deal with cramps? Too bad. That's drugs. Our zero tolerance policy says we must expel you and charge you with drug trafficking.
 

Chaotic42

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inb4 conservatards complaining about states' rights.

Do you agree with what happened to him?

This case is absolutely stupid and it will hopefully be thrown out. That said, I think HAL does have a decent point. I think that the US needs to get a bearing on where we want to go as a nation and one of those discussions should be about states' rights. The world is getting smaller and we should see if these ideas still "fit".
 

Vic Vega

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This is the sort of high profile case that could go "up stairs" like the Chicago and DC cases did. It's only a matter of time before it's NYC's turn. I mean, technically their laws are in disagreement with SCOTUS right this second, but so far no one is doing anything about it.
 

HAL9000

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Do you agree with what happened to him?

This case is absolutely stupid and it will hopefully be thrown out. That said, I think HAL does have a decent point. I think that the US needs to get a bearing on where we want to go as a nation and one of those discussions should be about states' rights. The world is getting smaller and we should see if these ideas still "fit".

Can you imagine what it would be like (maybe it is like this I don't know) if drivers licenses were only valid in the state they are issued by, you could drive across state borders and then get pulled over, show them your license and be arrested for driving without a valid license, it's insanity, it's a country not a continent.
 

randomrogue

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I went through airport security years prior to 9/11 with a loaded .45 clip in my carry on bag. They pulled it out and I explained that I forgot it was in there, that I use that bag to go to the shooting range and that I never intended to bring it on the plane. They let my wife pick it up on the way out (she was dropping me off for a business trip). This was in San Diego, CA.

Today I'd probably be arrested, given the anal probe, put on a do not fly list, and/or prison.

I have to admit that I'm surprised San Diego wouldn't have at least scolded you back then.

The summer after 911 I traveled to Europe and had a fork and spoon in my bag (hey, I needed it for my fruit cup). I made it through San Diego and Chicago or Jersey (can't remember) but got my ass handed to me at Heathrow. In the end they just took my fork but boy were they pissed off at me for bringing a deadly weapon on a plane.
 

IGemini

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New York has absurdly rigid gun laws, and the city is worse. As far as the state is concerned, the AWB didn't sunset. CCW paperwork is some $140 (depends a bit by county, definitely 100+), takes 3-6 months to clear, requires three sets of fingerprints and infrequently grants unrestricted carry. Most sensible states cost around $20 and give clearance on the day they're submitted. And most relevant to this case, NY doesn't recognize CCW reciprocity from ANY other state. It's a really dangerous proposition to drive through the state with a pistol even if unloaded.

Even if the guy manages to get the charges dropped, I really doubt it'll change the law with in the state. BUT, this might help H.R. 822 along, just need the Senate to get off their collective asses.
 

Deeko

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I'll never understand why every state in America acts independantly from one another there seems to be no national law over there, it's like continent not a country.

The EU seems to have more common laws than the US.

Its a big country with a very diverse population. It allows people in different states to have a style of government and lifestyle they prefer. Growing up in Pennsylvania and almost never leaving the state I used to think like you did...and then I moved to the other side of the country, and suddenly it made sense. I don't want the same life as these Seattle people, and Texans want something completely different from both. It is unfortunate when something like this happens, but it works for the better more often than not.

I'm going out on a limb by actually giving you a serious reply...please don't make me regret that.
 

Chaotic42

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Can you imagine what it would be like (maybe it is like this I don't know) if drivers licenses were only valid in the state they are issued by, you could drive across state borders and then get pulled over, show them your license and be arrested for driving without a valid license, it's insanity, it's a country not a continent.

I agree, but I can see how some people would have a hard time with federalizing everything. I live in Mississippi, probably one of the most "conservative" states in the union. How do we reconcile the common Mississippi resident's views with those of someone from Massachusetts? It would be hard.

Still, as a nation we are going to have to make some broad, sweeping changes or we will continue to rot away.
 

HAL9000

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Its a big country with a very diverse population. It allows people in different states to have a style of government and lifestyle they prefer. Growing up in Pennsylvania and almost never leaving the state I used to think like you did...and then I moved to the other side of the country, and suddenly it made sense. I don't want the same life as these Seattle people, and Texans want something completely different from both. It is unfortunate when something like this happens, but it works for the better more often than not.

I'm going out on a limb by actually giving you a serious reply...please don't make me regret that.


Of course, with a country the size of the US there are going to be huge cultural differences between certain places, but if it is identified as a country then there needs to be some national unity when it comes to certain laws, a person shouldn't be breaking a law by acting one way in one place in the country, then going somewhere else and doing the same thing and being perfectly legal. Unless of course those laws are very specific to the environment, I can perfectly understand why hunting for example is legal in some places, but not legal in national parks. But some things just don't make sense to break up like this, licenses are definitely one of them.

With guns, the US needs to decide one way or another which way they are going with them, then make a broad sweeping law that encompasses every state, so that you can make absolutely statements like "In America it is legal to carry a gun if you have a license" etc. Not "oh it's legal to have this gun there and that gun here, but if you take that gun there you're a criminal and if you take that gun out in public here it's fine, but do it two towns over and you're a criminal, unless... blah"

I agree, but I can see how some people would have a hard time with federalizing everything. I live in Mississippi, probably one of the most "conservative" states in the union. How do we reconcile the common Mississippi resident's views with those of someone from Massachusetts? It would be hard.

Still, as a nation we are going to have to make some broad, sweeping changes or we will continue to rot away.


I agree. Definitely
 
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