Marine General's Blunt Comments Draw Fire...Gen Mike Hagee "counselled" Gen. Mattis

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: raildogg
He's talking about "guys in Afghanistan." Hence Afghans. (I'm losing patience with your feeble brain).

So our Marines are SHOOTING regular Afghans?? You sicken me[/quote]

:roll:

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
our armed forces have a long history of telling spouses domestic violence is their problem and ignoring it. please...

huh? :thumbsdown:

Is this the face of the radical left?

No it is the voice of a former servicemember that knows better.

I think raildogg had better call you brave and suck up like he does to all the other servicemembers. Let's have it raildogg.

I think i'll pass on that one, thanks

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
our armed forces have a long history of telling spouses domestic violence is their problem and ignoring it. please...

huh? :thumbsdown:

Is this the face of the radical left?

No it is the voice of a former servicemember that knows better.

I think raildogg had better call you brave and suck up like he does to all the other servicemembers. Let's have it raildogg.

Military service exempts someone from becoming a radical leftist?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
our armed forces have a long history of telling spouses domestic violence is their problem and ignoring it. please...

huh? :thumbsdown:

Is this the face of the radical left?

No it is the voice of a former servicemember that knows better.

I think raildogg had better call you brave and suck up like he does to all the other servicemembers. Let's have it raildogg.

Military service exempts someone from becoming a radical leftist?

Nope, but being on the left apparently exempts certain military members from receiving huge praise from raildogg...

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: raildogg

also keep avoiding the tough questions posted by a great member of P & N, although hes trying his best to get your attention

I'm afraid you're a bit confused, son. I haven't asked him anything.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: raildogg

also keep avoiding the tough questions posted by a great member of P & N, although hes trying his best to get your attention

I'm afraid you're a bit confused, son. I haven't asked him anything.

:laugh:

 

[Steeplerot]

I was all over that first....meh

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
our armed forces have a long history of telling spouses domestic violence is their problem and ignoring it. please...

huh? :thumbsdown:

Is this the face of the radical left?

It's a generalization about marines. NOW do you see the problem with generalizing about Afghans and Iraqis? (Probably not knowing you).

crickets

Tell me again why all women in afghanistan wore burqas under taliban rule....

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: charrison
crickets

Tell me again why all women in afghanistan wore burqas under taliban rule....

[/quote]

Sorry, I don't respond to red herrings.

 

[Velk]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: raildogg

Tell me again why all women in afghanistan wore burqas under taliban rule....

Do you know what a red herring is?

It's not even a very good one. All women in america wear pants in public or face consequences for public indecency - mandated clothing obviously isn't universally wrong by anyone's standards, you are just quibbling about degrees...

 

[SeminoleMarine]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
please, corpmembers are not well known for treating their familys well.
matter of fact everyone I have kown have all been violent headcases to some degree.
keep the jarheads away from the mic for petes sake.

Where do you get your info? That is a ridiculous statement. Maybe you hang around the wrong people. You say "everyone you have known". What, you know 10 Marines, 15, 20, maybe 25 and that makes you an expert on the Corps as a whole? All the Marines I know treat their families very well, thank you. In fact I know more civilians who treat their family like crap.

 

[arsbanned]

I'd agree that generalizing all Marine Corp people serves this discussion poorly. This particular general is a jerk who shouldn't be aloud in public. Let's keep it at that.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: charrison
crickets

Tell me again why all women in afghanistan wore burqas under taliban rule....

Sorry, I don't respond to red herrings.[/quote]

Saying it was required to wear a burqa or receive punishment is a red herring? That is what the marine general stated.

 

[conjur]

US 'war is fun' general rebuked
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4234751.stm

The US Marine Corps has publicly upbraided one of its generals for his comments describing shooting people in Iraq as "fun".

Discussing fighting in Iraq, the General said he liked brawling and enjoyed shooting people.

The Marine Corps said Lt Gen James Mattis had been "counselled" concerning his remarks, made during a panel discussion in California.

The general had agreed he should have chosen his words more carefully.

Gen Mattis is a hardened veteran of combat and appears to have developed a taste for it.

During the discussion, he spoke of his experience fighting in Iraq as commander of the 1st Marine Division.

Public gaffe

Caught on tape, he said: "Actually, it's quite a lot of fun to fight; you know, it's a hell of a hoot. I like brawling; it's fun to shoot some people."

In the context of Afghanistan, he said men who slapped around women for not wearing a veil had no manhood and it was fun to shoot them.

The commandant of the Marine Corps, Gen Mike Hagee, later issued a statement saying he had counselled Gen Mattis on his remarks.

The statement praised Gen Mattis as a brave and brilliant military leader and it seems there will be no disciplinary action.

But such public slip-ups by its senior officers are irritants for the American military, whose reputation for honour and moral fibre are central to American life.

"Hey! Come on...just don't say that in front of the press!"

 

[arsbanned]

Well, yeah, basically. What a fool. I'm surprised he made General. I doubt he'll go much higher, especially once the Repubs get thrown out of Washington.

 

[d3n]

He?s a Lt General. Can't get much further up on the chain than that.

Like it or not the military exists for specific purposes that do not always jive with the warm fuzzys that the public can generally tolerate. The military culture also requires a certain mentality for those that devote themselves to it.


Every basic trainee gets the initiation into the military mentality from day one. They chant ?OhAh I wanna kill somebody, OhAh, I wanna hurt somebody? and other variations of the same thing. That?s not exactly something that?s considered politically correct is it?

The whole military basic training experience builds on this to emphasize that they are there for the sole purpose to help the military project force onto the enemy. The military is not a police force or a political faction. It?s a hammer and hammers are generally only really good at just one job.

Our Generals are military commanders first and political figures second. I take it he?s never been politically correct, much to the irritation of his more politically astute superiors, but he was approved to be promoted time and again. I almost guarantee the reason was because he is the best at what he does.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: raildogg
Again, InfoHawk, respond to this:

quote:
"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5 years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis continued. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."



Our marines are not shooting Afghans, they are shooting the Taliban, just think for a second, who could he have been speaking of, the Afghan people or the members of Taliban?

You have posted earlier saying he was speaking of Afghans, which is totally false. Just clarify yourself

He's talking about "guys in Afghanistan." Hence Afghans. (I'm losing patience with your feeble brain).

So our Marines are SHOOTING regular Afghans?? I'll try once again.

quote:
"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5 years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis continued. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."

Our soldiers are trying to kill or capture the Taliban, so again, are they shooting at innocent Afghan civilians or the Taliban murderers who brutalized the women .

I know you'll get p!ssed, but oh well.

These soldiers should get in touch with their buddies in the CIA.

Brief history here:

CIA funds Mujahadeen (AKA pre-Talibani's)
CIA funds ISI
ISI props up Taliban
ISI starts genocide in Kashmir against Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists with American weapons
ISI funds horrific Taliban regime

Follow the dotted line backwards and where do you end up..? Back at the American military/intelligence agencies. I guess we are cleaning up our own mess now, but its real dirty IMO to fund and support and ideoligical movement and then condemn and slaughter them when they start to annoy you. Sounds like a bunch of Imperialists to me.

GG.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: raildogg
Again, InfoHawk, respond to this:

quote:
"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5 years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis continued. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."



Our marines are not shooting Afghans, they are shooting the Taliban, just think for a second, who could he have been speaking of, the Afghan people or the members of Taliban?

You have posted earlier saying he was speaking of Afghans, which is totally false. Just clarify yourself

He's talking about "guys in Afghanistan." Hence Afghans. (I'm losing patience with your feeble brain).

So our Marines are SHOOTING regular Afghans?? I'll try once again.

quote:
"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5 years because they didn't wear a veil," Mattis continued. "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them."

Our soldiers are trying to kill or capture the Taliban, so again, are they shooting at innocent Afghan civilians or the Taliban murderers who brutalized the women .

I know you'll get p!ssed, but oh well.

These soldiers should get in touch with their buddies in the CIA.

Brief history here:

CIA funds Mujahadeen (AKA pre-Talibani's)
CIA funds ISI
ISI props up Taliban
ISI starts genocide in Kashmir against Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists with American weapons
ISI funds horrific Taliban regime

Follow the dotted line backwards and where do you end up..? Back at the American military/intelligence agencies. I guess we are cleaning up our own mess now, but its real dirty IMO to fund and support and ideoligical movement and then condemn and slaughter them when they start to annoy you. Sounds like a bunch of Imperialists to me.

GG.

The ISI is the Pakistani version of the CIA and FBI rolled into one organization. I have no clue of the US govt. supporting the ISI. The ISI is NOT a military.

Also, the weapons the Pakistanis use are not American for the most part, although we have sold them the Orion surveillance planes along with F-16's.

I do agree that the ISI is the main reason the Taliban got in power, raped Afghanistan and they are coordinating attacks on India and aiding the terrorists in Kashmir.

I blame the ISI for 9/11. They put Taliban into power, Taliban harbor al-qaeda and Bin Laden and thousands of terrorists are trained.

GGs.

 

[Proletariat]

You sound like a man with his heart in the right place. If you want to know more read on, the CIA has been in cahoots with the ISI for along time:

http://www.saag.org/papers3/paper287.html

"During the Nixon Administration in the US, when Dr.Henry Kissinger was the National Security Adviser, the intelligence community of the US and the ISI worked in tandem in guiding and assisting the so-called Khalistan movement in the Punjab. The visits of prominent Sikh Home Rule personalities to the US before the Bangladesh Liberation War in December, 1971, to counter Indian allegations of violations of the human rights of the Bengalis of East Pakistan through counter-allegations of violations of the human rights of the Sikhs in Punjab were jointly orchestrated by the ISI, the US intelligence and some officials of the US National Security Council (NSC) Secretariat, then headed by Dr.Kissinger."

http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/FightSmart18-11-2001.htm

GOOD LINK

http://coat.ncf.ca/articles/links/times_of_india_taliban_parent.htm

The ISI is VERY closely intertwined with the Pakistani military and one-ups the generals most of the time, much like the American CIA.

The Pakistani's have huge amounts of American weaponry. I have seen them for myself. M-16's grenade launchers, heavy artillery.

American soldiers are good men being duped. If they knew about this they would want to go kick the Pakistani's ass.

 

[Terumo]

Originally posted by: maddogchen
Sounds like what a Marine would say.

Yep.

And he did so very nicely too.

No troops are more committed to killing the enemy than Marines. That's what they're trained to do, from the office clerk to the cook, they're riflemen first. You're drummed out if you can't even qualify for a "toilet seat" (marksmanship badge).

They're not PR types. They're job is to get in, secure the area and hold it. It takes incredible dedication to do so even if it's a forlourn hope mission.

 

[menace310]

Actually, when i was in Ramadi, Gen Mattis was across the river. He does go out sometimes on convoys and is armed.