Marine Major blasts broken & lazy females for pull-up performance

[trenchfoot]

A simple answer to that, I would think, would be to put women in command.

Wut? And have our womenfolk not only order us menfolk around in the battlefield at home but also in the battlefield at the front?

And secondly, Shhhhhhh! Don't give the ladies any ideas.

You know, come to think of it.....and I don't really want to have to admit it, but there seems to be a strange haunting and frightening sense of inevitability in your answer.

 

[waggy]

This made sense:

exactly. i would think having someone in combat and not being able to do that would be a liability.

BUT women CAN do it. they just need to train for that.

 

[Nebor]

Men people have evolved to be better suited to do the hunting and fighting and stuff like that.
Even if some women could be as effective on the front as men and it be 'documented' somehow, I'd not want to assume it or the data to be true.
Israel has women in this position and they perform well, I have heard. But, using my thinking and trying to assume having a female under my command in a fire fight, I can imagine I'd be more than likely concerned not necessarily for the mission or the fire fight outcome but for her safety to the detriment of the former and thus putting in jeopardy the command. I'm that way.... I think that is true. It would take time and training to overcome that condition and that comes from within military without civilian input mandating NOW... NOW... NOW, As I see it.

Once you worked with enough worthless female soldiers you'd be disabused of that instinct.

 

[Nebor]

Wut? And have our womenfolk not only order us menfolk around in the battlefield at home but also in the battlefield at the front?

And secondly, Shhhhhhh! Don't give the ladies any ideas.

You know, come to think of it.....and I don't really want to have to admit it, but there seems to be a strange haunting and frightening sense of inevitability in your answer.

There are plenty of female commanders. They're actually *gasp* overrepresented in command billets.

 

[Brovane]

Reading this for me was kind of like WTF?

As to the Marines in charge of the Training Management System, you should know that last year, my Physical Fitness Test was initially marked as a fail because the system couldn’t comprehend a female doing 11 pullups. Thanks for that vote of confidence.

It was politely suggested that I perform the flexed-arm hang in order to legitimately rate 100 points. Although unwilling to retreat to the flexed-arm hang, eventually I was forced to admit partial defeat and my 11 pullups were input as eight. Note: If a male Marine performs 23 pullups, it can be recorded as 23.

 

[shortylickens]

This made sense:

With a 50 pound pack?

Not sarcastic, serious question.

 

[Carfax83]

BUT women CAN do it. they just need to train for that.

I agree with you here, but lets apply this concept to women in frontline combat for shits and giggles..

The thing about training, is that unless you expect them to keep training to maintain a high degree of fitness, training only gets you so much so far.

Most women with sufficient training and preparation can coast through the physical tests in boot camp with ease. But once they go to their permanent duty station and stop training, they are back to square one.

Now if they have some cush admin job, then it's not really an issue.

But what if the ideologues get their way, and women are now shunted into frontline combat positions alongside the men?

Very, very, very few women have the physical and mental grit required for something like infantry or spec ops. I do believe however, that if one of those select few are properly trained and prepared, they CAN pass infantry or spec ops school.

But as I said before, training only gets you so far. Once they deploy, they won't have any opportunity to continue to strengthen their bodies due to the stress and heavy workloads associated with frontline combat, and their bodies will begin to revert to it's original untrained state..

You even see this with men. State side they were a strapping 220lbs, but after a year of deployment to Afghanistan, they come back weighing 190lbs because the lifestyle of an infantryman on deployment replete with lack of sleep, high workloads, stress, poor diet etcetera isn't exactly healthy..

A female would be hit much harder by the stress and rigors of frontline combat, and her body would waste away until she's too weak to continue her duties as women have much less testosterone than men and do not maintain muscle mass easily.

We saw a taste of this with Captain Katie Petronio's article which detailed the health issues she suffered due to long and arduous deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.

That's why I'm against women in frontline combat, and I'm also against any sort of gender norming in the Military.. Gender norming in the end always results in lower standards across the board, which is disastrous because it allows entry for weaker, subpar men as well as women..

Women should have their own standards, separate from that of men, because they aren't men.

 

[unokitty]

the whole "women can't do pullups" is such bullshit and disgusting. Women want equality yet look for ways to avoid it...

When I was in, I never met, or even saw, a female soldier. So, I can't really speak to their performance.

Though, I don't think that 'performance' is the issue now.

To me, it looks like some politicians trying to advance their own agendas.

Specifically, it looks like the same politicians that have made our urban public K-12 education system such a swell place are now trying to do the same thing to the military...

Anyone think that that is going to end well?

Uno
Sentry Dog Handler
US Army '69-'71

 

[Nebor]

Plenty of guys gain weight on deployment. Whether it's fat from DFAC largess and stress, or muscle from steroids and protein shakes. Several of my infantryman on my last tour were cycling. They were also shaving their entire bodies in the shower trailer.

 

[JTsyo]

With a 50 pound pack?

Not sarcastic, serious question.

No. I thought the US military philosophy was to train the way you would fight. So during training they would do it with packs on but for testing I think 3 pulls-up for passing is fine. Of course I hope the testers put a bit more thought into the standards than pulling up numbers from the ether.

 

[Generator]

How many pull ups does a woman need to do so that the male soldier won't rape them?

These gym quota requirements are symptom of something that illuminates our malfunctioning military. Its become a dilapidated jobs program that really amounts to the kind of work of digging out trenches and filling them in again. The two generals that made a name for themselves have been exposed as frauds; one a 4 star laptop masturbator, the other blamed the president through a journalist to parlay his way into a cushy golden parachute at Yale. These were the best we have folks...

Instead of worrying about women's pull ups, how about your address the single file driving into IEDs like sacrifices or wearing 100lbs of gear in the desert.