Mark Cuban vs. the BCS

[EagleKeeper]

Why not have the conference champ for each Level I-A team(12) plus 4 "at large" based on record to allow 16 in a playoff. The "at large" allows a division that may have two good teams or the independants like ND or UM (used to be).

This way the Big 10 12, Pac 10, SEC, etc would still have their prestige, but the MidWest, WAC and Mountain West conferences would be able to put their best up to the bigger boys. the biger boys would have to win just as many as the upstarts, but if an upstart can take out 2-3 of the big boys, they deserve a shot at the title.

Best of the Best show up and the top dog leaves with it's head up.
teams get a guarenteed show up figure, their conference gets a showup figure and each figure increases as they move forward to being the top dog.

 

[rcpratt]

Why not have the conference champ for each Level I-A team(12) plus 4 "at large" based on record to allow 16 in a playoff. The "at large" allows a division that may have two good teams or the independants like ND or UM (used to be).

This way the Big 10 12, Pac 10, SEC, etc would still have their prestige, but the MidWest, WAC and Mountain West conferences would be able to put their best up to the bigger boys. the biger boys would have to win just as many as the upstarts, but if an upstart can take out 2-3 of the big boys, they deserve a shot at the title.

Best of the Best show up and the top dog leaves with it's head up.
teams get a guarenteed show up figure, their conference gets a showup figure and each figure increases as they move forward to being the top dog.

Meh. No. If a MAC (or whatever) team wants to be in the playoff, they can run the table in their crappy conference. Otherwise, they don't deserve it.

I'd be okay with a rule similar to the BCS now where a (just one, currently) non-BCS school is guaranteed a BCS bowl if they're in the top 12 of the BCS rankings. If there are 16 playoff teams, we can make it "at least the top 3 non-BCS (whatever we call it) teams will be guaranteed a playoff spot if they are ranked within the top 20," or something.

If they do 32 teams (which I still think is awful), then I would be okay with letting a champ from each conference in. If it's 16 or less, definitely not.

 

[EagleKeeper]

You should either do by record or by conference.

Asking one smaller conference to run the table is not fair is the larger conferences are not expected to do that.

What you are trying to do is get as many conferences behind the playoff idea.

Your champ vs my champ without restrictions/reservations. Once you stop doing that, you are heading back to the exinsting BCS fiasco where the #2 conference team might deserve a shot but can not get it.

And there are many more little guys/conferences than big guys - you need their leverage/support to push away from the existing BCS mess as a champianship determinator.

 

[EagleKeeper]

There are 12 Div 1-A conferences. the champ from eacdh + 4 others. The 4 others can be pure independents or by record..

Now you have 16 slots and 4 games to determine the best in the country.
Allows anyone that ran the table to be there plus each conference can send it's best.
should the conference have a tie package that is undefeated, both are guarenteed a slot incase the conference needs a playoff.

Money goes to each winner plus conference. Everyone wins except the BCS ego

 

[rcpratt]

First of all, I only count 11 conferences. I'm sure Notre Dame, Army, and Navy would love their own free ticket to the dance, but that's simply not happening.

Still, 5 at-larges out of a pool of 16 is ridiculously small. This year, the 16 participants would be: Virginia Tech, Oklahoma, Auburn, Wisconsin (assuming BCS tiebreaker...), UCONN (BCS tiebreaker again), Central Florida, Miami (OH), TCU, Oregon, Boise State (BCS tiebreaker again), Florida International, Stanford*, Ohio State*, Arkansas*, Michigan State*, LSU*.

*At-large based on BCS

That puts teams like Florida International, Central Florida, Miami (OH), and UCONN in ahead of teams like Missouri, Oklahoma State, Nebraska, Nevada, and Alabama. Really? That's almost more ridiculous than the current BCS (not really).

I'm all for giving smaller conferences easier access to the playoff, but a free ticket for the MAC, Sun Belt, and C-USA is ridiculous.

I don't really see how the small conferences have any leverage, either. What are they going to do...threaten to start their own tournament?

 

[ShockwaveVT]

Meh. No. If a MAC (or whatever) team wants to be in the playoff, they can run the table in their crappy conference. Otherwise, they don't deserve it.

I'd be okay with a rule similar to the BCS now where a (just one, currently) non-BCS school is guaranteed a BCS bowl if they're in the top 12 of the BCS rankings. If there are 16 playoff teams, we can make it "at least the top 3 non-BCS (whatever we call it) teams will be guaranteed a playoff spot if they are ranked within the top 20," or something.

A fair # of tiny weak conferences still get their championship team into the NCAA tournament. Same applies here. Basically the #1-4 seeds get an easy win

BTW there are only 11 FBS conferences. So 11 auto-bids and 5 at-large wildcards. Independent teams (Notre Dame, BYU, Army, Navy) would have to qualify for a wild card slot, probably would have to be in the top 10 of the BCS rankings. You'd also have to limit a conference to a max of 2 teams (perhaps an exception of they have 3 teams in the top5?) to make sure the $$$$ got spread around like the current BCS system does.

 

[rcpratt]

A fair # of tiny weak conferences still get their championship team into the NCAA tournament. Same applies here. Basically the #1-4 seeds get an easy win

BTW there are only 11 FBS conferences. So 11 auto-bids and 5 at-large wildcards. Independent teams (Notre Dame, BYU, Army, Navy) would have to qualify for a wild card slot, probably would have to be in the top 10 of the BCS rankings. You'd also have to limit a conference to a max of 2 teams (perhaps an exception of they have 3 teams in the top5?) to make sure the $$$$ got spread around like the current BCS system does.

I'd be completely fine with this if we had a 32- or 64-team field. 5/16 is far too low of an at-large ratio.

Not that I'm recommending a larger field.

 

[sactoking]

Can you really not understand the difference between an athletics program and a football team? Jesus, it's not a hard distinction to make.

Allow me a moment to do something I rarely do and drop to your level...

1) The freaking discussion I was lending numbers to was waffling back and forth between "athletics" and "football". You may have wanted it to be "football" but others were talking athletics.
2) If you had taken the time to READ THE FREAKING POST you would realize that I showed numbers for both "athletics" and "football".

The next time you want to make some snide comment about me not understanding you should look you own damn mug in the mirror and READ WHAT THE HELL IT IS I WROTE or I can kindly invite you STFU.

 

[EagleKeeper]

A team wins its conference - automatic playoff bid. Just like the current bowl system - not saying the BCS.

There are 5 spare slots available. Allow each conference to send a second team based on record then strength of schedule.

My count of 12 was including the independant:wub:

By allowing all conferences to participate, you are allowing funds to go to schools where an outstanding player may exist.

Also, the more schools that participate, the better leverage exists to change the system.

Get it away from the BCS type stranglehold and more like the NCAA March Madness.

So what if a conference has 3 good teams; unless undefeated, they have a best and some other also wannabes. The wannabes have to take their spot in line with all the rest. They were not good enough to earn an automatic.

 

[Gibsons]

A team wins its conference - automatic playoff bid. Just like the current bowl system - not saying the BCS.

I agree about the idea that a conference champion should go.

But what happens when:
There's either not a championship game for the conference or to determine who goes to the conference CG:
Team A, B, and C all have one loss.
The losses are because team A beat team B who beat team C who beat team A.

It happened two years ago in the Big 12 south. Texas beat OU, OU beat Tech and Tech beat Texas. OU got the nod, mostly based on voting iirc.

The NFL has statistical tie breakers for this kind of situation that every team knows before the season starts. A little harder to do in college, but maybe possible.

 

[postmortemIA]

I agree about the idea that a conference champion should go.

But what happens when:
There's either not a championship game for the conference or to determine who goes to the conference CG:
Team A, B, and C all have one loss.
The losses are because team A beat team B who beat team C who beat team A.

It happened two years ago in the Big 12 south. Texas beat OU, OU beat Tech and Tech beat Texas. OU got the nod, mostly based on voting iirc.

The NFL has statistical tie breakers for this kind of situation that every team knows before the season starts. A little harder to do in college, but maybe possible.

each conference can play mini-championship of top 4 teams. nba does it - west and east playoffs. what they need to do is reduce number of regular season games by 2, so that payoffs don't stretch players too much

 

[Gibsons]

each conference can play mini-championship of top 4 teams. nba does it - west and east playoffs. what they need to do is reduce number of regular season games by 2, so that payoffs don't stretch players too much

:hmm:

Maybe some scheduling issues, but I can't seriously object to anything decided on the field.

 

[Squisher]

OK, so every ATOTer wants this. Who doesn't and what can they do about it to stop it?

 

[Gibsons]

OK, so every ATOTer wants this. Who doesn't and what can they do about it to stop it?

Bowl game and BCS execs, who are free to offer hospitality suites and who knows what else to university officials, from the president to the AD to the coach.

 

[rcpratt]

OK, so every sports fan alive wants this. Who doesn't and what can they do about it to stop it?

Fixed.

I don't know, I'm still not loving the auto-bid thing. The basketball tournament has 37 at-large teams, out of 68. 54%. If there were only 5 out of 16 (31%), just feels too low. But more than 16 seems too high.

I really don't see why it would happen either, those conferences have next to no leverage. I think they'd be more than thrilled if it said, "if you're in the top 25 of xxx poll and you win you're conference, you will be guaranteed an invite."

 

[DT4K]

4) How the fuck does 16 teams fix anything? Then you're right back to relying on polls and voting and other bullshit. The idea of a playoff is to get rid of the idiocy with the computers and to settle things on the field. All you're doing is creating another level of whining where somebody has to decide who is the #16 team and in and who is the #17 team and goes home. You really can't grasp the stupidity of going to a playoff while keeping the same miserable poll system that makes the playoff necessary in the first place? Really?

Yeah, number 17 will still bitch, just like number 3 does now.
The difference is that nobody will care.

No matter how good a team is, everyone is capable of having an off day. I don't think 1 loss in an entire season really says too much about how good a team is overall. So I'm in favor of giving all of those high quality, 1 loss teams a chance to compete for the title.
If you let it happen more than once and lose 2 games, I think you no longer have much of a case for getting a title shot.

Having 16 teams "fixes" the issue of leaving out a lot of deserving 1 loss teams.

 

[bignateyk]

Bowl game and BCS execs, who are free to offer hospitality suites and who knows what else to university officials, from the president to the AD to the coach.

Yeah, but god forbid players, the ones who make it all possible, take benefits in any way.