Mark reallocated sectors as bad

Costas Athan

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Wikipedia states for HDD reallocated sectors:

While primarily used as a metric of the life expectancy of the drive, this number also affects performance. As the count of reallocated sectors increases, the read/write speed tends to become worse because the drive head is forced to seek to the reserved area whenever a remap is accessed. If sequential access speed is critical, the remapped sectors can be manually marked as bad blocks in the file system in order to prevent their use.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.

Is there a specific program that does this job (marks the reallocated sectors of the reserved area as bad)?
 

dma0991

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You could run a full format instead of a quick format. It should either attempt to recover the bad sector or mark it as bad and unusable. I've done it in the past to get rid of the reallocated sectors count and prevent data writing on the bad sector which causes the HDD to stall.
 

Costas Athan

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You could run a full format instead of a quick format. It should either attempt to recover the bad sector or mark it as bad and unusable. I've done it in the past to get rid of the reallocated sectors count and prevent data writing on the bad sector which causes the HDD to stall.

Yeah, maybe that could work at some level, but it wouldn't eliminate the problem. I doubt that all the bad sectors would be recovered. Is there a way to mark the sectors of the reserved area as bad sectors as the article states?
 

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If there are enough relocated sectors to effect performance I'd say its time to replace the HDD. A few sectors are not going to cause any significant speed difference. (we're talking 512 or 4096 bytes here)
 

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If there are enough relocated sectors to effect performance I'd say its time to replace the HDD. A few sectors are not going to cause any significant speed difference. (we're talking 512 or 4096 bytes here)

There are 15888 reallocated sectors, but I don't store important files to this disk (it's an external Toshiba portable drive) so I wish to keep it until it stops working. The number of the reallocated sectors increases slowly by the way so maybe it could still work for some time...

Regardless the danger of keeping this drive does anyone know how the thing that Wikipedia describes can be done?
 

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I'm not sure what would be used to do that, but I'm also not sure it's a good idea and seems mostly pointless, especially these days.

The point of doing it, as stated above, is to avoid losing *some* performance under sequential read/write scenarios. If a few percentage points loss in sequential scenarios is that big of a deal, then it's time to upgrade to an SSD for vastly higher performance, not mark reserved space as bad on an HDD.

But, as I've said, not sure what to use to accomplish it.
 

Costas Athan

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I'm not sure what would be used to do that, but I'm also not sure it's a good idea and seems mostly pointless, especially these days.

The point of doing it, as stated above, is to avoid losing *some* performance under sequential read/write scenarios. If a few percentage points loss in sequential scenarios is that big of a deal, then it's time to upgrade to an SSD for vastly higher performance, not mark reserved space as bad on an HDD.

But, as I've said, not sure what to use to accomplish it.

The disk responds really slow under certain tasks, like for example during decompressing large RAR files. I thought to give Wikipedia's suggestion a try and see if it would improve its performance.
 

dma0991

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I don't see much performance improvement can be made when there is a USB 2.0 bottleneck, assumption based on that its an old external HDD.
 

Costas Athan

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I don't see much performance improvement can be made when there is a USB 2.0 bottleneck, assumption based on that its an old external HDD.

Well after the number of reallocated sectors increased the performance during certain tasks (as decompressing large RAR files as I have already mentioned) decreased noticeably. I don't thing that this drop of performance has anything to do with USB 2.0 bottleneck!
 

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The disk responds really slow under certain tasks, like for example during decompressing large RAR files. I thought to give Wikipedia's suggestion a try and see if it would improve its performance.

You sure like playing with fire...
OK, for a temp/scratch drive, you could do chkdsk /r.
Or, format it with block checking, and in theory, that should find the bad sectors...and mark them, but since you already have lots, it will just keep spreading.
 

Cerb

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There are 15888 reallocated sectors, but I don't store important files to this disk (it's an external Toshiba portable drive) so I wish to keep it until it stops working. The number of the reallocated sectors increases slowly by the way so maybe it could still work for some time...

Regardless the danger of keeping this drive does anyone know how the thing that Wikipedia describes can be done?
No. 15888 (and climbing, no doubt)? It's TRASHED. Pull the life support and move on. You may very well already have corrupted data on the drive. 10-15 over the life of the drive is high. 100x that is insane.

Well after the number of reallocated sectors increased the performance during certain tasks (as decompressing large RAR files as I have already mentioned) decreased noticeably. I don't thing that this drop of performance has anything to do with USB 2.0 bottleneck!
It was almost certainly trying to re-read/write weak sectors, and/or was re-allocating them during that process.

In its current state, it's pretty much gone. The only thing you can do is replace it. All that will happen if you keep using it is corruption.
 

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There are 15888 reallocated sectors, but I don't store important files to this disk (it's an external Toshiba portable drive) so I wish to keep it until it stops working. The number of the reallocated sectors increases slowly by the way so maybe it could still work for some time...

Regardless the danger of keeping this drive does anyone know how the thing that Wikipedia describes can be done?

Its increasing because its semi trashed already and the speed will always be slow because new bad sectors are popping up which the drive is trying to reread over and over again.

I don't know if theres a utility apart from vendor supplied tools which can do it because manufacturers don't allow low level access like the old days to write to sectors/tracks anymore.
 

Costas Athan

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No. 15888 (and climbing, no doubt)? It's TRASHED. Pull the life support and move on. You may very well already have corrupted data on the drive. 10-15 over the life of the drive is high. 100x that is insane.

It was almost certainly trying to re-read/write weak sectors, and/or was re-allocating them during that process.

In its current state, it's pretty much gone. The only thing you can do is replace it. All that will happen if you keep using it is corruption.

Its increasing because its semi trashed already and the speed will always be slow because new bad sectors are popping up which the drive is trying to reread over and over again.

I don't know if theres a utility apart from vendor supplied tools which can do it because manufacturers don't allow low level access like the old days to write to sectors/tracks anymore.

Well actually the reallocated sectors are steadily 15888 for a few weeks now. The number hasn't changed for awhile. Of course there is a great chance that it will rise again after some time. The value of the S.M.A.R.T. data is 31 and if I'm not mistaken there are more sectors for reallocation available till it reaches 0. Anyway, as I said I haven't any critical files saved on this disk so I will take the risk. I'm trying now chkdsk /r that Elixer suggested and I'll see if there is any improvement after it.
 
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