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TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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It's incredible how busy Slow is in the other threads, yet can't seem to find his way back here. Can't imagine why.
 
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UNCjigga

Lifer
Dec 12, 2000
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Honest question... Why haven't I seen a SINGLE DNC/DCCC/SuperPAC ad buy calling out Trump and Republicans for their failing economic policy yet? Two weeks from midterms and Dems are gonna miss their "it's the economy stupid" opportunity.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Honest question... Why haven't I seen a SINGLE DNC/DCCC/SuperPAC ad buy calling out Trump and Republicans for their failing economic policy yet? Two weeks from midterms and Dems are gonna miss their "it's the economy stupid" opportunity.

I haven't seen very many Democrat ads but that may because I'm in California.

The reason for no national message may be because they are focusing on local races and messaging.
 

dawp

Lifer
Jul 2, 2005
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I'm in NC and tt's been a lot of ads on the local stations, seems both side think it'll be close, mostly on the tax cut and healthcare.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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these threads always turn into huge backfires. Remember prof john proclaiming all was well before the 2008 apocalypse?
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Another day of staggering losses. -550 pt drop. Back to negative for the year.

Goddamn if I blinked and missed the midterm bump
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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these threads always turn into huge backfires. Remember prof john proclaiming all was well before the 2008 apocalypse?
And despite Slows rabid bullshitting in multiple threads, he can't make it back this thread for some reason. Weird.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
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Another day of staggering losses. -550 pt drop. Back to negative for the year.

Goddamn if I blinked and missed the midterm bump


Heck, there's usually a Thanksgiving bump.....guess it's coming later? LOL!
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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Deregulating, consumer confidence way up, workforce participation ticking up, better trade deals secured... all unique Trump victories leading to a better today and tomorrow for you and I. Keep fighting the good fight, though.
So yea, if you roll out huge tax cuts for the top 1-5% they will wind up spending some of that back into the economy. Now here's the bad news, since Trump also wanted to pump up the military at the same time the deficit went over a trillion dollars for one fiscal year, this is NUTS in a good economy, someone will have to pay this back eventually, who will it be?. Sit your grand-kids down and have a nice chat with them so they understand us greedy fuc*s refused to even THINK about living within our means and THEY are on the hook for all this.
 
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SlowSpyder

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
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So yea, if you roll out huge tax cuts for the top 1-5% they will wind up spending some of that back into the economy. Now here's the bad news, since Trump also wanted to pump up the military at the same time the deficit went over a trillion dollars for one fiscal year, this is NUTS in a good economy, someone will have to pay this back eventually, who will it be?. Sit your grand-kids down and have a nice chat with them so they understand us greedy fuc*s refused to even THINK about living within our means and THEY are on the hook for all this.

Oh, you care about deficits now. They were nearly twice as bad under Obama at this time of his presidency. The market may be down but the economy is humming along. We're in a trade war, there will be sacrifices until we win. Be happy you can buy low now.
 

skull

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Jun 5, 2000
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Oh, you care about deficits now. They were nearly twice as bad under Obama at this time of his presidency. The market may be down but the economy is humming along. We're in a trade war, there will be sacrifices until we win. Be happy you can buy low now.

You do see the difference between coming out of a major recession and a great economy right? Why can't trump balance a budget like Bill Clinton in the good years? Oh yeah Trumps idea of balancing a budget is filing for bankruptcy.
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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Oh, you care about deficits now. They were nearly twice as bad under Obama at this time of his presidency. The market may be down but the economy is humming along. We're in a trade war, there will be sacrifices until we win. Be happy you can buy low now.

That's an odd way of putting it.

The economy is not a road race that restarts the course at the start of each presidency you know.

"And the Trump car rounds turn 2... and he's 1.2 secs ahead of the lap leader's time heading into hammerhead!"

Why you have to go back in time 8 years for a reference point rather than just 2?

Don't like the trend?
Doesn't make the numbers look good?

Pretty transparently pathetic when you need to go all the way back to the initial recovery from a massive global recession to give a favorable comparison of the current situation of low unemployment (which was handed over to him from Obama.)
 
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Oh, you care about deficits now. They were nearly twice as bad under Obama at this time of his presidency. The market may be down but the economy is humming along. We're in a trade war, there will be sacrifices until we win. Be happy you can buy low now.
See this is why you get ridiculed around here. It's not because you're a conservative (right, right. You were "very much a Democrat"). It's because you're stupid.

Obama inherited one of the biggest economic declines in history. Trump inherited a booming economy that was running very well and that had decreasing deficits year over year. He then took that booming economy and somehow managed to double the projected deficits in a year. There is absolutely no reason to do that in a strong economy.

The market is now off the rush of the tax cuts. The economy is adjusting to the unnecessary trade wars that Trump started. Some sectors are hurting more than others. There is not much here to celebrate. So buckle up. The ride is just beginning.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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Oh, you care about deficits now. They were nearly twice as bad under Obama at this time of his presidency. The market may be down but the economy is humming along. We're in a trade war, there will be sacrifices until we win. Be happy you can buy low now.
But Obama inherited a nightmare of an economy, GM, Ford, Chrysler were on the brink of failing, wall street was awash in bad debt brought on by the former GOP administration "loosening up" banking regulations. People were signing mortgages they could not possibly afford, hell mine in '93 took 3-4 weeks of document gathering before we were finally approved. This was how it's supposed to work, document income, employment, bank deposits, then tell the applicants you can afford a specific price range on a home. Bush's administation's deregulation threw all that into the fire, when these garbage mortgages got sold on wall St. as "A" grade bond's the crap was all set to fall like a house of cards. Ringing up huge deficits is something that should be reserved for emergency's, not giving the economy an artificial boost it did not even need.
 
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But Obama inherited a nightmare of an economy, GM, Ford, Chrysler were on the brink of failing, wall street was awash in bad debt brought on by the former GOP administration "loosening up" banking regulations. People were signing mortgages they could not possibly afford, hell mine in '93 took 3-4 weeks of document gathering before we were finally approved. This was how it's supposed to work, document income, employment, bank deposits, then tell the applicants you can afford a specific price range on a home. Bush's administation's deregulation threw all that into the fire, when these garbage mortgages got sold on wall St. as "A" grade bond's the crap was all set to fall like a house of cards. Ringing up huge deficits is something that should be reserved for emergency's, not giving the economy an artificial boost it did not even need.

the wind, that's what you're pissing into.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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the wind, that's what you're pissing into.
Dude, that's EXACTLY what happened, mortgages were long considered "A" grade investment's on wall St. because they were so thoroughly vetted, foreclosure rates were low because buyers were only allowed to but what they could actually afford. Even if a property had to be foreclosed, it was usually worth close to what was loaned out to buy it. This was NOT what happened during the economic collapse, facts matter so why not consider exploring them before posting a crap response moron.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Dude, that's EXACTLY what happened, mortgages were long considered "A" grade investment's on wall St. because they were so thoroughly vetted, foreclosure rates were low because buyers were only allowed to but what they could actually afford. Even if a property had to be foreclosed, it was usually worth close to what was loaned out to buy it. This was NOT what happened during the economic collapse, facts matter so why not consider exploring them before posting a crap response moron.

I'm pretty sure his comment was in reference to who your comment was directed at, as in you are wasting your time talking to a brick wall.

Those that live in reality understand what you are saying and we've known the issues and causes of the crash for a while.
 
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Feb 16, 2005
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I'm pretty sure his comment was in reference to who your comment was directed at, as in you are wasting your time talking to a brick wall.

Those that live in reality understand what you are saying and we've known the issues and causes of the crash for a while.
Exactly this, sorry if it was misinterpreted, and I saw how it could be when I posted it, but knew I could clear it up if that happened.
 
Feb 16, 2005
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Dude, that's EXACTLY what happened, mortgages were long considered "A" grade investment's on wall St. because they were so thoroughly vetted, foreclosure rates were low because buyers were only allowed to but what they could actually afford. Even if a property had to be foreclosed, it was usually worth close to what was loaned out to buy it. This was NOT what happened during the economic collapse, facts matter so why not consider exploring them before posting a crap response moron.
that statement was basically meant to say, 'you're wasting your time with facts, logic and reasoning with that moron' Slow your roll a bit
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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DJI down 800 pts today as everyone woke up to the fact that the "trade war cease fire" was purely based on Trumpian bullshit.

Ah man, we had been making some progress to get back some gains after the Fed speech on rates. What do you bet Slow was getting an inchy finger to jump back in his thread and claim victory of getting back to 26k?

Ah damn, then today happened.

In other news, yield curves are starting to invert in the bond market. First time since 2007.

Not time to get the panic button yet, but this is not a trend you want to see develop.
Yield inversions are typically seen as a precursor to a recession, as short term bonds are priced as higher risk over long-term bonds, indicating a lack of confidence in near term performance.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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DJI down 800 pts today as everyone woke up to the fact that the "trade war cease fire" was purely based on Trumpian bullshit.

Ah man, we had been making some progress to get back some gains after the Fed speech on rates. What do you bet Slow was getting an inchy finger to jump back in his thread and claim victory of getting back to 26k?

Ah damn, then today happened.

In other news, yield curves are starting to invert in the bond market. First time since 2007.

Not time to get the panic button yet, but this is not a trend you want to see develop.
Yield inversions are typically seen as a precursor to a recession, as short term bonds are priced as higher risk over long-term bonds, indicating a lack of confidence in near term performance.

You parially got the inverted yield curve right, but to think one 800 point drop is due to Trump shows you dont know how the market works. Ever heard of automated stop limits?
 

Bitek

Lifer
Aug 2, 2001
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You parially got the inverted yield curve right, but to think one 800 point drop is due to Trump shows you dont know how the market works. Ever heard of automated stop limits?

Go ahead and tell yourself Trump had nothing to do with it, but that's not what investors are saying.

As I explained, it's not the only thing, but it's very much part of the crap stew of news coming out.

"Today’s move feels like the market is a scorned lover. It had believed, for whatever reason, that progress was being made at the G-20 and that turns out to be murky -- it feels lied to,” said Michael Antonelli, a managing director at Robert W Baird & Co. “Then a pile of negative Brexit news, Williams starts to ramp up hawkish talk, then we have our yield curve acting like it got run over and boom, we puke....

Yes, there is a halt in tariffs,” said Delores Rubin, senior equities trader at Deutsche Bank Wealth Management. But “we haven’t resolved anything yet.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...t-for-muted-open-curve-flattens-markets-wrap?

Feel free to browse the financial news sites for more examples. It's a fuckin disaster.
 
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