Marketers Answer Call to Eliminate High-Fructose Corn Syrup

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: chuckywang
There are no scientific evidence that HFCS is worse for you than sugar. I do think sugar tastes better though, but I have no proof. In fact, I failed a blind taste test of regular coke vs. Mexican coke.

And that's what I said. It's like organic food. People WANT to think it tastes better when it doesn't. It's just their mind making them think it tastes better.

But even if it's all in their minds, doesn't that count as well? Isn't that enough justification to buy organic food?

Sure if you want to spend more for the same thing then it's one's choice to do so. It's the same as bottled water as well.

BINGO!

Stupid people are still stupid.

The same HFCS feaks are the same ones that fall for the "it's organic so it must be better!" crap. They are also the same people who buy bottled water.

Write these companies and tell them you will never purchase any of their products again if they continue to cave to lunatics.

The organic or HFCS argument is contrary to the bottled water argument. I doubt those 2 crowds agree, at all.


This just seems like another example of Spidey's never-ending quest to lump all them "crazy asswipes that I will never understand" into one large group.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: chorb
if you dont want it, dont eat it. Keep your crazy health nuts away from my artery clogging delicious food

Do you know what a marketer is?

The companies, after realizing that some consumers "don't want it and don't eat it", have begun offering products that said consumers might want, and eat.

There is no law. No one is forcing these companies to do this. It's voluntarily. I suggest that you take your own advice and continue to buy the cheaper HFCS stuff if that's what you prefer.

Are you saying that companies don't have a right to manage their own merchandise? This is an example of capitalism working correctly.

Originally posted by: spidey07

The anti-HFCS bullshit going on is about as big a scam as bottled water. Just look at the history of butter/margarine.

Better taste is a scam?

Now, the idea that HFCS is worse for you than refined cane sugar, that's certainly crap.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: chuckywang
There are no scientific evidence that HFCS is worse for you than sugar. I do think sugar tastes better though, but I have no proof. In fact, I failed a blind taste test of regular coke vs. Mexican coke.

I think the issue is that it is a shit-load of unnecessary glucose compared to natural sugar.

For people with cancer, avoiding HFCS is an absolute necessity (tumors eat up glucose like it's going out of style). It is recommended in terms of reducing tumor growth. Then again, avoiding all sugar is best for this...

WTF? seriously? Tumors eat up glucose because they eat up everything, tumors grow at rates much faster than normal tissue. It's not a necessity to avoid HFCS if you have cancer, as far as I'm aware.

And if you're worried about HFCS on your bread, I'm at a loss...bread itself is entirely made of sugar. It's starch for crying out loud. You guys are missing the forest because of the trees.....I swear it's like they don't teach critical thinking anymore.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: skace
We do not benefit at all from simply removing HFCS and adding an equal amount of sugar to a product.

Well, we would, a little. Lots of sugar is bad for you. HFCS is just worse. When they put HFCS in your loaf of bread from the supermarket, that's just going to far. Seriously, it's bread, why put HFCS in it!?

The more we get away from HFCS the better. Then, work on getting people to stop eating so much darn sugar too of course.

Sugar is in a lot of bread recipes.

Exactly. The "All natural" breads have sugar in them. Bread without sugar is very sour. All common sandwich breads have sugar or HFCS in them.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: uclaLabrat

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: chuckywang
There are no scientific evidence that HFCS is worse for you than sugar. I do think sugar tastes better though, but I have no proof. In fact, I failed a blind taste test of regular coke vs. Mexican coke.

I think the issue is that it is a shit-load of unnecessary glucose compared to natural sugar.

For people with cancer, avoiding HFCS is an absolute necessity (tumors eat up glucose like it's going out of style). It is recommended in terms of reducing tumor growth. Then again, avoiding all sugar is best for this...

WTF? seriously? Tumors eat up glucose because they eat up everything, tumors grow at rates much faster than normal tissue. It's not a necessity to avoid HFCS if you have cancer, as far as I'm aware.

And if you're worried about HFCS on your bread, I'm at a loss...bread itself is entirely made of sugar. It's starch for crying out loud. You guys are missing the forest because of the trees.....I swear it's like they don't teach critical thinking anymore.

He's alluding to the Warburg Effect.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
im astonished something was changed without government intervention, seems like we need to rely on them for everything these days.

The change is made because more companies are realizing how stupid the public in general is. For the past several decades, it's been a matter of make it cheaper & cheaper & cheaper to make profits. Now, they've pretty much exhausted all the ways that they can produce the products cheaper. So, it's time to go in the other direction. And, oddly, going in the other direction reaps even higher profits, because now they can charge a premium, because the stupid public at large thinks "it's better, and it costs them more money to produce, so I'm fine with paying a little more for something that tastes a lot better."

Let's look at the sugar coke vs. HFCS Coke: Let's see, I can pick up a case of coke for $6? But the coke with sugar costs how much more?!

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
im astonished something was changed without government intervention, seems like we need to rely on them for everything these days.

The change is made because more companies are realizing how stupid the public in general is. For the past several decades, it's been a matter of make it cheaper & cheaper & cheaper to make profits. Now, they've pretty much exhausted all the ways that they can produce the products cheaper. So, it's time to go in the other direction. And, oddly, going in the other direction reaps even higher profits, because now they can charge a premium, because the stupid public at large thinks "it's better, and it costs them more money to produce, so I'm fine with paying a little more for something that tastes a lot better."

Let's look at the sugar coke vs. HFCS Coke: Let's see, I can pick up a case of coke for $6? But the coke with sugar costs how much more?!

It works with wine too. Text

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: rockyct
"Some beverage companies are also promoting their lack of HFCS. PepsiCo launched "throwback" versions of Pepsi and Mountain Dew, which are essentially HFCS-free formulations in retro cans. The products proved successful, leading the company to bring them back for another eight-week run, beginning Dec. 28."

Woot. I liked the taste of Pepsi throwback.

i wish coke would do this. i know people say they make a kosher version with sugar for holidays or something but...we dont get any of that here. id love to try it, even though im not big on soda.

I wonder what the regulations would be for starting up a Canadian non-HFCS Coke export business to the US...

 

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: rockyct
"Some beverage companies are also promoting their lack of HFCS. PepsiCo launched "throwback" versions of Pepsi and Mountain Dew, which are essentially HFCS-free formulations in retro cans. The products proved successful, leading the company to bring them back for another eight-week run, beginning Dec. 28."

Woot. I liked the taste of Pepsi throwback.

The throwback MT. Dew sucked balls.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: uclaLabrat

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: chuckywang
There are no scientific evidence that HFCS is worse for you than sugar. I do think sugar tastes better though, but I have no proof. In fact, I failed a blind taste test of regular coke vs. Mexican coke.

I think the issue is that it is a shit-load of unnecessary glucose compared to natural sugar.

For people with cancer, avoiding HFCS is an absolute necessity (tumors eat up glucose like it's going out of style). It is recommended in terms of reducing tumor growth. Then again, avoiding all sugar is best for this...

WTF? seriously? Tumors eat up glucose because they eat up everything, tumors grow at rates much faster than normal tissue. It's not a necessity to avoid HFCS if you have cancer, as far as I'm aware.

And if you're worried about HFCS on your bread, I'm at a loss...bread itself is entirely made of sugar. It's starch for crying out loud. You guys are missing the forest because of the trees.....I swear it's like they don't teach critical thinking anymore.

hell, i don't remember mentioning anything about bread, and I'm not all that concerned about HFCS, to be honest.

But, tumors do over-compete for glucose, more than anything else. That's why glucose is used in imaging to locate tumors. I don't think it has ever been suggested that eliminating glucose would kill off tumor cells (too easy, right?), but it does slow their growth, iirc.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: chorb
if you dont want it, dont eat it. Keep your crazy health nuts away from my artery clogging delicious food

The trouble with that is finding things without HFCS. Ever go to buy BBQ sauce and try to find one without HFCS? It's freaking impossible.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
im astonished something was changed without government intervention, seems like we need to rely on them for everything these days.

The change is made because more companies are realizing how stupid the public in general is. For the past several decades, it's been a matter of make it cheaper & cheaper & cheaper to make profits. Now, they've pretty much exhausted all the ways that they can produce the products cheaper. So, it's time to go in the other direction. And, oddly, going in the other direction reaps even higher profits, because now they can charge a premium, because the stupid public at large thinks "it's better, and it costs them more money to produce, so I'm fine with paying a little more for something that tastes a lot better."

Let's look at the sugar coke vs. HFCS Coke: Let's see, I can pick up a case of coke for $6? But the coke with sugar costs how much more?!

The problem is because its not made in the US so it has to be imported.

Do you think mexican coke or canadian coke costs $1+ per bottle in their native countries? No.

Pepsi Throwback costs the same as regular Pepsi. The Jewish Coke they offer in the US around Passover doesn't cost anymore than regular coke either.


HFCS is not the enemy it is the two things. The Sugar tariff and corn subsidies that make HFCS cheaper than sugar. Those two things need to be eliminated. There is no reason for either of these to exist anymore.

I read somewhere that decades ago people used to import stuff like Iced Tea mix and sift the sugar out and then sell it on the US market since our prices are so out of whack with the rest of the world.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
im astonished something was changed without government intervention, seems like we need to rely on them for everything these days.

The change is made because more companies are realizing how stupid the public in general is. For the past several decades, it's been a matter of make it cheaper & cheaper & cheaper to make profits. Now, they've pretty much exhausted all the ways that they can produce the products cheaper. So, it's time to go in the other direction. And, oddly, going in the other direction reaps even higher profits, because now they can charge a premium, because the stupid public at large thinks "it's better, and it costs them more money to produce, so I'm fine with paying a little more for something that tastes a lot better."

Let's look at the sugar coke vs. HFCS Coke: Let's see, I can pick up a case of coke for $6? But the coke with sugar costs how much more?!

The problem is because its not made in the US so it has to be imported.

Do you think mexican coke or canadian coke costs $1+ per bottle in their native countries? No.

Pepsi Throwback costs the same as regular Pepsi. The Jewish Coke they offer in the US around Passover doesn't cost anymore than regular coke either.


HFCS is not the enemy it is the two things. The Sugar tariff and corn subsidies that make HFCS cheaper than sugar. Those two things need to be eliminated. There is no reason for either of these to exist anymore.

I read somewhere that decades ago people used to import stuff like Iced Tea mix and sift the sugar out and then sell it on the US market since our prices are so out of whack with the rest of the world.

Weird, the sugar tariffs started in the early 80s, and that is when food makers started switching to HFCS.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: chorb
if you dont want it, dont eat it. Keep your crazy health nuts away from my artery clogging delicious food

The trouble with that is finding things without HFCS. Ever go to buy BBQ sauce and try to find one without HFCS? It's freaking impossible.

Apparently now you can get Bullseye without it.

 

[Regs]

Coca-Cola, real sugar, glass bottle.


MmmmmmmmmmmmHmmmmmmmmmmm!

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: chorb
if you dont want it, dont eat it. Keep your crazy health nuts away from my artery clogging delicious food

The trouble with that is finding things without HFCS. Ever go to buy BBQ sauce and try to find one without HFCS? It's freaking impossible.

Apparently now you can get Bullseye without it.

I haven't checked in a while but I did actually start looking at the ingredient lists of BBQ sauce (probably like a year or so ago) and they ALL had HFCS in them.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: brandonbull

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: rockyct
"Some beverage companies are also promoting their lack of HFCS. PepsiCo launched "throwback" versions of Pepsi and Mountain Dew, which are essentially HFCS-free formulations in retro cans. The products proved successful, leading the company to bring them back for another eight-week run, beginning Dec. 28."

Woot. I liked the taste of Pepsi throwback.

i wish coke would do this. i know people say they make a kosher version with sugar for holidays or something but...we dont get any of that here. id love to try it, even though im not big on soda.

I just had some Pepsi Throwback last night and it tastes identical to regular Pepsi. Regular Pepsi is slightly sweeter. It's yet again your minds playing tricks on you. Just like the whole Organic foods tasting better which we know is not true.

The old "same but different" gag, I see.

It could have been attributed to how old the Pepsi Throwback was. The Throwback was from when they were sold a couple months ago. I had one at my grandma's house and it's been in her fridge ever since. She had regular Pepsi as well. I tasted the regular Pepsi which was bought at the store the day before which was this past weekend then Throwback. After months of it sitting or it could have just been made at a different plant. Who knows but there was just a slight difference in the taste. It was very hard to tell. Took me a couple sips. People want things to taste different and they make it so. People will say organic foods taste better just because it's organic. People will say bottled water tastes better just cus it's bottled. People say things with sugar taste better cus they think it's that way. Placebo effect.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO

Originally posted by: skace
We do not benefit at all from simply removing HFCS and adding an equal amount of sugar to a product.

Well, we would, a little. Lots of sugar is bad for you. HFCS is just worse. When they put HFCS in your loaf of bread from the supermarket, that's just going to far. Seriously, it's bread, why put HFCS in it!?

The more we get away from HFCS the better. Then, work on getting people to stop eating so much darn sugar too of course.

Sugar is in a lot of bread recipes.

Exactly. The "All natural" breads have sugar in them. Bread without sugar is very sour. All common sandwich breads have sugar or HFCS in them.

It also affects yeast. If you simply take out the sugar and use the same amount of other ingredients, the yeast won't have as much to feed on. You can add more flour but that will change the overall composition of the bread in a different way.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: chorb
if you dont want it, dont eat it. Keep your crazy health nuts away from my artery clogging delicious food

The trouble with that is finding things without HFCS. Ever go to buy BBQ sauce and try to find one without HFCS? It's freaking impossible.

Apparently now you can get Bullseye without it.

I haven't checked in a while but I did actually start looking at the ingredient lists of BBQ sauce (probably like a year or so ago) and they ALL had HFCS in them.

Well, if you'd clicked on the article, you'd have seen that Bulls-Eye is specifically mentioned as having the HFCS removed

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Electric Amish

Originally posted by: rockyct
"Some beverage companies are also promoting their lack of HFCS. PepsiCo launched "throwback" versions of Pepsi and Mountain Dew, which are essentially HFCS-free formulations in retro cans. The products proved successful, leading the company to bring them back for another eight-week run, beginning Dec. 28."

Woot. I liked the taste of Pepsi throwback.

The throwback MT. Dew sucked balls.

Yeah, I hated it also. It had no kick.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: chuckywang
There are no scientific evidence that HFCS is worse for you than sugar. I do think sugar tastes better though, but I have no proof. In fact, I failed a blind taste test of regular coke vs. Mexican coke.

And that's what I said. It's like organic food. People WANT to think it tastes better when it doesn't. It's just their mind making them think it tastes better.

But even if it's all in their minds, doesn't that count as well? Isn't that enough justification to buy organic food?

Sure if you want to spend more for the same thing then it's one's choice to do so. It's the same as bottled water as well.

BINGO!

Stupid people are still stupid.

The same HFCS feaks are the same ones that fall for the "it's organic so it must be better!" crap. They are also the same people who buy bottled water.

Write these companies and tell them you will never purchase any of their products again if they continue to cave to lunatics.

I find it amusing how much this tears you apart inside. :laugh: No one is forcing you to buy their food. No one is forcing the companies to switch. They made a choice to do it based on feedback from consumers.

But if you want to continue hating on the free market, go ahead.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: chuckywang
There are no scientific evidence that HFCS is worse for you than sugar. I do think sugar tastes better though, but I have no proof. In fact, I failed a blind taste test of regular coke vs. Mexican coke.

And that's what I said. It's like organic food. People WANT to think it tastes better when it doesn't. It's just their mind making them think it tastes better.

But even if it's all in their minds, doesn't that count as well? Isn't that enough justification to buy organic food?

Sure if you want to spend more for the same thing then it's one's choice to do so. It's the same as bottled water as well.

BINGO!

Stupid people are still stupid.

The same HFCS feaks are the same ones that fall for the "it's organic so it must be better!" crap. They are also the same people who buy bottled water.

Write these companies and tell them you will never purchase any of their products again if they continue to cave to lunatics.

I find it amusing how much this tears you apart inside. :laugh: No one is forcing you to buy their food. No one is forcing the companies to switch. They made a choice to do it based on feedback from consumers.

But if you want to continue hating on the free market, go ahead.

Exactly. What's wrong with not putting HFCS in your products? What's wrong with caring about the environment? What's wrong with using less oil or creating less pollution or emissions?

Asking me to write a letter opposing these companies doing what people want them to do?

Talk about a waste of time...no thanks dude.

 

[swbsam]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: rockyct
"Some beverage companies are also promoting their lack of HFCS. PepsiCo launched "throwback" versions of Pepsi and Mountain Dew, which are essentially HFCS-free formulations in retro cans. The products proved successful, leading the company to bring them back for another eight-week run, beginning Dec. 28."

Woot. I liked the taste of Pepsi throwback.

i wish coke would do this. i know people say they make a kosher version with sugar for holidays or something but...we dont get any of that here. id love to try it, even though im not big on soda.

I just had some Pepsi Throwback last night and it tastes identical to regular Pepsi. Regular Pepsi is slightly sweeter. It's yet again your minds playing tricks on you. Just like the whole Organic foods tasting better which we know is not true.

How does it taste identical if you think that regular pepsi is sweeter?

Sugar tastes better than HFCS.. I just does.. You can't argue that.. Now, the hippy health stuff- bleh. who cares? You shouldn't be drinking soda if you want to be healthy anyways.. But Sugar is awesome - crisp, clean tasting.. Just nom!

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: rockyct
"Some beverage companies are also promoting their lack of HFCS. PepsiCo launched "throwback" versions of Pepsi and Mountain Dew, which are essentially HFCS-free formulations in retro cans. The products proved successful, leading the company to bring them back for another eight-week run, beginning Dec. 28."

Woot. I liked the taste of Pepsi throwback.

Throwback is bomb, I have a few 12 packs of it

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: swbsam

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: rockyct
"Some beverage companies are also promoting their lack of HFCS. PepsiCo launched "throwback" versions of Pepsi and Mountain Dew, which are essentially HFCS-free formulations in retro cans. The products proved successful, leading the company to bring them back for another eight-week run, beginning Dec. 28."

Woot. I liked the taste of Pepsi throwback.

i wish coke would do this. i know people say they make a kosher version with sugar for holidays or something but...we dont get any of that here. id love to try it, even though im not big on soda.

I just had some Pepsi Throwback last night and it tastes identical to regular Pepsi. Regular Pepsi is slightly sweeter. It's yet again your minds playing tricks on you. Just like the whole Organic foods tasting better which we know is not true.

How does it taste identical if you think that regular pepsi is sweeter?

Sugar tastes better than HFCS.. I just does.. You can't argue that.. Now, the hippy health stuff- bleh. who cares? You shouldn't be drinking soda if you want to be healthy anyways.. But Sugar is awesome - crisp, clean tasting.. Just nom!

Anyone can argue something as subjective as taste. Seriously now.

Not that I am, personally I don't do either sugar or HFCS unless I need energy when doing hard physical work. I never drink soda and I don't much care whether my bread had sugar or HFCS in it. I've had both and there is no difference in taste or texture.