Martial arts styles

[lyssword]

haha lol I found this funny BJJ rap song on utube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIezh7G2ako

 

[mrrman]

Ive teken Shotokan karate for years, 1 belt away from black...great sport

 

[LordMaul]

69th degree black belt in Kama Sutra.

 

[lyssword]

I have a 1st degree (or 9th kyu) white belt in gojuru karate

 

[Journer]

i'm doing JIKC http://www.jikc.org/

i love it to death

 

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: mattpegher
I am a firm beleiver in realistic kumate, ie full contact, and I mean full. How do these grappling styles spar? I would imagine protective equipment would be cumbersome.

If you want a real life Kumate, check out UFC 1 and 2. Only two rules, no biting and no eye gouging. THAT'S IT! World Combat Championship was also damn close.

No I'm talking about during training. Kumate is crutial to the application of martial arts. Do these grappling arts such as judo spar, do they apply holds and joint locks but do not apply full force etc.

UFC is competition and lately has not pitted any new styles against the current popular style.

I also have noticed most post simply state what you have studied. Come on guys this isn't an opportunity to stroke your e-penis. Lets discuss the Bonkai (may be spelled wrong). The discussion is meant for those of you who are really training to note the pros and cons of your style. Some work better for different ages and body types, such as most Okinawans are small in stature but a bit stockier than mainland japanese. Lets here some cons as well.

 

[Reckoner]

I took a couple years of Kenpo Karate. I didn't find it very useful.

 

[LuNoTiCK]

Take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
Take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

It's hard to find a place that teaches it around this area.

 

[TheNinja]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: LuNoTiCK
Take Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

It's hard to find a place that teaches it around this area.

plus it is VERY expensive now b/c of the popularity of the Gracie's and UFC.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Babbles
Posting martial arts threads on ATOT is just asking for an onslaught of clueless e-knoweldge, much like this gem:

Originally posted by: Iron Addict
Most effective in real life is Jiujitsu and second is Muay Thai...

I think you should just go around to various dojo and check out the classes and talk with the instructor and base your decision off of that as opposed to the typical "OMG Muay Thai and Krav Maga rock!'

I would think Aikido would be great for your kids, but on the other hand I also know very little about Okinawan Karate.

As another snide comment, I am usually leery of people and/or associations that can not spell "jujutsu" correctly - even though in a somewhat ironic sense people will usually spell things like "judo" and "kenjutsu" correctly, but put "ju" and "jutsu" together and you find a whole slew of spellings.

Its Jiu Juitsu, and yes it owns. Basically an advanced form of submission grappling, and they also learn some strikes too.

When you use the phrase "they also learn" that necessarily implies that you have no experience yourself in it. Like any martial art, there is a lot more to it than what most people think. I'm not so sure what one would mean by "advanced form" of things, but sure there is grappling and submission but it is not really all about grappling. In fact I would say that grappling is a more minor constituent of jujutsu, however again it is not entirely absent either. In fact I think there are probably more 'strikes' in jujutsu than grappling, but that could also due to me simply not knowing as many grappling techniques as I do punching ones.

Furthermore, yes it is indeed "jujutsu" and to put it frankly if you have been told otherwise, then they were wrong. There is indeed an official guide to Romanizing the Japanese language (Romanji); 'jutsu' and 'jitsu' are completely different words.
But, with that being said, unfortunately things like 'juijitsu' are used extensively; regardless, that does not make it right
LINK I just quickly Googled up for your reading pleausure.

My twin bro is taking Brazilian Jiu Juitsu atm (3 months now), it is mostly grappling, and some striking like the boxing. BJJ participants are not allowed to strike in Tournaments (though allowed to spar with boxing gloves/headgear) or they will have too many injuries. Unless its MMA tournament or something. My bro already has a lot of minor injuries just from grappling.

Words of my brother "Jiu Juitsu is mostly grappling, although most (BJJ schools) teach strikes as well". He has been interested in martial arts and MMA for 7+ years now, he was wrestling in High School too.


Now I'm talking about Brazilian Jiu Juitsu. "Regular Jiu Juitsu is not very effective, unless you want to go against 90yr old lady"-at least thats what Sherdog ppl say according to my bro.

What is different with Brazilian Jiu Juitsu is training methods, they go hands on, live opponents practicing their moves, not just striking air. Training method is similar to Judo but more focused on the ground. You won't learn much if you don't go against actual opponent. For example if boxer trains for 6 months and other trains in traditional Karate for 6 months, the boxer will demolish the karate guy (according to Bill Wallace who is a many time kickboxing/karate champion in 70's).

Good striking arts are boxing, Muay Thai, kickboxing or other fullcontact arts.

Brazilian Jiu Juitsu roots are from Japanese judoka, submission wrestling and modified further by Brazilians (Gracies) from 1920's onward with more ground focus

Well there is your problem junior, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is not jujutsu; they are completely different. I doubt any serious Brazilian Jiu Jitsu practitioner would admit that what they practice is jujutsu; and I would damn well be sure that even the Gracie's would not admit to be practicing jujutsu (also evidence by the fact that they have copyrighted and trademarked things such as Gracie Jiu Jistu and so forth).

Which is perfectally okay. The devil is in the details.

When the Gracies "invented" Brazilian Jiu Jitsu they did indeed lift the vocubalry from Japanese judo, but that is probably about where the similarities end.

Furthermore:

"Regular Jiu Juitsu is not very effective, unless you want to go against 90yr old lady"

Is rather silly. Soldiers in the pre-Meiji restoration era were essentially using what we now refer to as jujutsu. As such I think it is pretty dumb for somebody to make such a comparison that sucessefully performed warfare techniques are only good against 90 year old ladies.

Now, I want to reinforce that I am not trying to imply that Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is inferior in anyway; it is not. I just simply want to establish the point that Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is in fact not traditional jujutsu (and yes there is a difference in the spelling).

 

[necine]

jeet kune do

 

[mattpegher]

come on pros and cons. After both shotokan, isshinryu and Matayoshi Kobojitsu(kobudo) I'll admit that a grappler can lock up and eliminate most of the power of traditional karate, but their blows are paltry by comparison. I'm really interested in the manipulation of force and biomechanics of aikido but haven't tried it yet. The joint locks also seem to be a great way to get your opponent to submit but unless you use them to break a bone, the pain may not be enough to keep them from coming back after you let go.

And to discuss unarmed combate as crucial to even pre-powdered warfare is assinnine. Only in movies do unarmed opponents take on someone with a sword or spear. Guns dont count because they are not a weapon until you fire, so disarming an opponent with a gun only works because he didn't shoot you yet.

 

[meltdown75]

bake fu

 

[mattpegher]

What percentage of posters on this thread do you think actually studied for more that 1 year?


My answer. 20% and I may be generous.



And for that poster who listed ninjutsu, if you are actually studiing, no current schools have been able to document any lineage to suggest a true connection to historic ninjutsu.