Martial arts styles

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Wow! I've never heard of anyone else that did isshinryu! That's awesome man... I did that pretty much throughout all of high school, yet college is kinda far now to go back every Monday and Thursday like before.

I see your back in the burg, I studied with Mike Matsko in Penn Hills. How bout you.

 

[EGGO]

Nito-ryu for a while.

 

[ValValline]

Originally posted by: mean6

Originally posted by: ValValline
Most people are attacked by someone they know (drunken family member)

LOL

How often have you gotten into a fight with a perfect stranger vs an acquaintance or family member?

Even if it is a stranger (say at a bar), you will have a hard time avoiding a civil lawsuit or arrest if you destroy them with any form of martial arts. By law you are only allowed to defend yourself with enough force to secure your safety.

For kids it's generally the school bully. While you wouldn't call that person a friend or family, no sane person would want their kid to do serious harm to someone else's kid. Nor could they and get away without possible criminal or civil actions.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Originally posted by: mattpegher

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Wow! I've never heard of anyone else that did isshinryu! That's awesome man... I did that pretty much throughout all of high school, yet college is kinda far now to go back every Monday and Thursday like before.

I see your back in the burg, I studied with Mike Matsko in Penn Hills. How bout you.

Tom Voelker in North Hills.. then he passed away. Now it's run by Tom Zadan and Mike(?) Wolfe.

 

[Iron Addict]

Most effective in real life is Jiujitsu and second is Muay Thai...

 

[mattpegher]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21

Originally posted by: mattpegher

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Wow! I've never heard of anyone else that did isshinryu! That's awesome man... I did that pretty much throughout all of high school, yet college is kinda far now to go back every Monday and Thursday like before.

I see your back in the burg, I studied with Mike Matsko in Penn Hills. How bout you.

Tom Voelker in North Hills.. then he passed away. Now it's run by Tom Zadan and Mike(?) Wolfe.

Boy sure miss the burg.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: mattpegher

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Are you going for the Art or for actual practical use? For the Art, I really like Kung-Fu or Tae-Kwon-Do. For practical use, you'll need more than one Art. I'd say Thai Boxing and Jui-Jitsu will make you a damn well rounded fighter. If you have the time, incorporate Judo and Boxing and you'll pretty much have it all. Just my take.

I am not one for martial arts as an artform, but the self-discipline and other mental aspects I have always valued. For the kids, I hope they never have to use it but it came in handy a few times for me. Many times just the confidence and poise were enough to avoid actual conflict. For me, I am looking to add some more passive defenses to my skills.

I never liked Thai-boxing or other boxing because you never learn to effectually block or to connect your punch to the ground, if you know what I mean.

The best block for a punch is not to be there at all. Boxing provides GREAT punch combinations and GREAT head movements. Boxing is beautiful, and what Muhammad Ali called, "the Sweet Science."

Thai-Boxing offers GREAT power kicks to the legs, GREAT blocking to the legs, and MONSTEROUS elbows and headbutts. And talk about shin strengthening. Good stuff in Thai-Boxing. You want to talk about dropping someone quick? Take a shin strike to the side or back of your leg. A regular person would most likely be dropped with one shot.

Like I said, there is no ONE great Martial Art. But take the best out of all and you'll be a better fighter than a master of any ONE art.

I'm pretty tough to impress, and I just have a few fighters I hold in high regard (Cro-Cop, Antonio Nogueira and Michael McDonald to name a few), so when someone says, they are a 5 degree black belt in whatever art, I just look at it as they've spent too much time in it. If you are a 10th degree black belt in whatever Karate style, you'll most likely get owned by a 1st degree Jiu-Jitsu practitioner. However, if you train the Karate practitioner on how to prevent the take down and keep the Jiu-Jitsu fighter on his feet, the JJ guy is going to have some SERIOUS problems. It's all about being a well rounded fighter.

 

[randay]

8 Years, Blackbelt in e-jitsu.

 

[mattpegher]

What I am really looking for is a good combo. Not that UFC is a complete exploration of the comparison of styles but it is hard to deny that grapling is very effective at removing the power of traditional karate. That said the blows thrown in most of these styles seem less effective, probably due to the lack of core power ie leg to back to arm. Granted your opponent is pinned and has a difficult time blocking, but you never see the one punch and he's out. In our dojo we used to do full contact with football helmets, boxing gloves and heavy vest and still occasionally someone would get a broken rib. I often wondered if karate had a disadvantage to shute-fighting due to the fact that most never trained truely full contact.

 

[TheNinja]

Ninjitsu is awesome! I'll come at you like a rabid mongoose!!

If I had to pick now I'd try a combo of Judo/Jitsu/Thaibox. It all depends what your purpose is I guess.

 

[The Pentium Guy]

I'm starting Kendo on monday :-D

 

[Babbles]

Posting martial arts threads on ATOT is just asking for an onslaught of clueless e-knoweldge, much like this gem:

Originally posted by: Iron Addict
Most effective in real life is Jiujitsu and second is Muay Thai...

I think you should just go around to various dojo and check out the classes and talk with the instructor and base your decision off of that as opposed to the typical "OMG Muay Thai and Krav Maga rock!'

I would think Aikido would be great for your kids, but on the other hand I also know very little about Okinawan Karate.

As another snide comment, I am usually leery of people and/or associations that can not spell "jujutsu" correctly - even though in a somewhat ironic sense people will usually spell things like "judo" and "kenjutsu" correctly, but put "ju" and "jutsu" together and you find a whole slew of spellings.

 

[JeepinEd]

My wife and I studied Krav-Maga for a few years.
This stile of martial arts, which originated in Israel, is very well rounded.
Not only did we learn how to attack and defend ourselves, but we also learned how to take a hit, as well as wrestle on the ground.

I witnessed my wife (5'4 120lbs) take down a guy who was over 6' 150+ lbs within less than 15 seconds. It took him about 5 minutes to get back up. (Needless to say, I learned not to mess with her).

 

[madman300]

Originally posted by: mattpegher
Ok I guess wrong forum.

haha what are you talking about? Nerdy people love martial arts...

 

[mean6]

Originally posted by: ValValline

Originally posted by: mean6

Originally posted by: ValValline
Most people are attacked by someone they know (drunken family member)

LOL

How often have you gotten into a fight with a perfect stranger vs an acquaintance or family member?

Even if it is a stranger (say at a bar), you will have a hard time avoiding a civil lawsuit or arrest if you destroy them with any form of martial arts. By law you are only allowed to defend yourself with enough force to secure your safety.

For kids it's generally the school bully. While you wouldn't call that person a friend or family, no sane person would want their kid to do serious harm to someone else's kid. Nor could they and get away without possible criminal or civil actions.

???
Cant say I have ever had any run ins with anyone in my family
All the fights I have been in have been in town at night when drunk or not drunken people start fights for the hell of it.

I agree that by law you cant destroy someone with the knowledge you have acquired with martial arts.
ButIn a situation where theres more than one attacker which is almost always around here I wouildnt be to concerned about lawsuits and convictions. I would do whatever it takes to keep me or my friends/family safe. I wiouldnt kill anyone but would "play hand tag" with em or anything.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: Babbles
Posting martial arts threads on ATOT is just asking for an onslaught of clueless e-knoweldge, much like this gem:

Originally posted by: Iron Addict
Most effective in real life is Jiujitsu and second is Muay Thai...

I think you should just go around to various dojo and check out the classes and talk with the instructor and base your decision off of that as opposed to the typical "OMG Muay Thai and Krav Maga rock!'

I would think Aikido would be great for your kids, but on the other hand I also know very little about Okinawan Karate.

As another snide comment, I am usually leery of people and/or associations that can not spell "jujutsu" correctly - even though in a somewhat ironic sense people will usually spell things like "judo" and "kenjutsu" correctly, but put "ju" and "jutsu" together and you find a whole slew of spellings.

Its Jiu Juitsu, and yes it owns. Basically an advanced form of submission grappling, and they also learn some strikes too.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Down, Down/Forward, Forward, Punch



- M4H

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Down, Down/Forward, Forward, Punch



- M4H

No fireballs allowed.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Babbles
Posting martial arts threads on ATOT is just asking for an onslaught of clueless e-knoweldge, much like this gem:

Originally posted by: Iron Addict
Most effective in real life is Jiujitsu and second is Muay Thai...

I think you should just go around to various dojo and check out the classes and talk with the instructor and base your decision off of that as opposed to the typical "OMG Muay Thai and Krav Maga rock!'

I would think Aikido would be great for your kids, but on the other hand I also know very little about Okinawan Karate.

As another snide comment, I am usually leery of people and/or associations that can not spell "jujutsu" correctly - even though in a somewhat ironic sense people will usually spell things like "judo" and "kenjutsu" correctly, but put "ju" and "jutsu" together and you find a whole slew of spellings.

Its Jiu Juitsu, and yes it owns. Basically an advanced form of submission grappling, and they also learn some strikes too.

When you use the phrase "they also learn" that necessarily implies that you have no experience yourself in it. Like any martial art, there is a lot more to it than what most people think. I'm not so sure what one would mean by "advanced form" of things, but sure there is grappling and submission but it is not really all about grappling. In fact I would say that grappling is a more minor constituent of jujutsu, however again it is not entirely absent either. In fact I think there are probably more 'strikes' in jujutsu than grappling, but that could also due to me simply not knowing as many grappling techniques as I do punching ones.

Furthermore, yes it is indeed "jujutsu" and to put it frankly if you have been told otherwise, then they were wrong. There is indeed an official guide to Romanizing the Japanese language (Romanji); 'jutsu' and 'jitsu' are completely different words.
But, with that being said, unfortunately things like 'juijitsu' are used extensively; regardless, that does not make it right
LINK I just quickly Googled up for your reading pleausure.

 

[mattpegher]

I am a firm beleiver in realistic kumate, ie full contact, and I mean full. How do these grappling styles spar? I would imagine protective equipment would be cumbersome.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Babbles
Posting martial arts threads on ATOT is just asking for an onslaught of clueless e-knoweldge, much like this gem:

Originally posted by: Iron Addict
Most effective in real life is Jiujitsu and second is Muay Thai...

I think you should just go around to various dojo and check out the classes and talk with the instructor and base your decision off of that as opposed to the typical "OMG Muay Thai and Krav Maga rock!'

I would think Aikido would be great for your kids, but on the other hand I also know very little about Okinawan Karate.

As another snide comment, I am usually leery of people and/or associations that can not spell "jujutsu" correctly - even though in a somewhat ironic sense people will usually spell things like "judo" and "kenjutsu" correctly, but put "ju" and "jutsu" together and you find a whole slew of spellings.

Its Jiu Juitsu, and yes it owns. Basically an advanced form of submission grappling, and they also learn some strikes too.

When you use the phrase "they also learn" that necessarily implies that you have no experience yourself in it. Like any martial art, there is a lot more to it than what most people think. I'm not so sure what one would mean by "advanced form" of things, but sure there is grappling and submission but it is not really all about grappling. In fact I would say that grappling is a more minor constituent of jujutsu, however again it is not entirely absent either. In fact I think there are probably more 'strikes' in jujutsu than grappling, but that could also due to me simply not knowing as many grappling techniques as I do punching ones.

Furthermore, yes it is indeed "jujutsu" and to put it frankly if you have been told otherwise, then they were wrong. There is indeed an official guide to Romanizing the Japanese language (Romanji); 'jutsu' and 'jitsu' are completely different words.
But, with that being said, unfortunately things like 'juijitsu' are used extensively; regardless, that does not make it right
LINK I just quickly Googled up for your reading pleausure.

Can you please tell Antonio Nogueira he's spelling Jiu-Jitsu wrong? I think you know more than he does. Can you also tell the Gracie family they're spelling it wrong? I think they would also appreciate the information. :roll:

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: mattpegher
I am a firm beleiver in realistic kumate, ie full contact, and I mean full. How do these grappling styles spar? I would imagine protective equipment would be cumbersome.

If you want a real life Kumate, check out UFC 1 and 2. Only two rules, no biting and no eye gouging. THAT'S IT! World Combat Championship was also damn close.

 

[Nik]

I've got a couple years of Taekwondo and Hapkido under my belt (haha). I've just started with Bujinkan.

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: lyssword

Originally posted by: Babbles
Posting martial arts threads on ATOT is just asking for an onslaught of clueless e-knoweldge, much like this gem:

Originally posted by: Iron Addict
Most effective in real life is Jiujitsu and second is Muay Thai...

I think you should just go around to various dojo and check out the classes and talk with the instructor and base your decision off of that as opposed to the typical "OMG Muay Thai and Krav Maga rock!'

I would think Aikido would be great for your kids, but on the other hand I also know very little about Okinawan Karate.

As another snide comment, I am usually leery of people and/or associations that can not spell "jujutsu" correctly - even though in a somewhat ironic sense people will usually spell things like "judo" and "kenjutsu" correctly, but put "ju" and "jutsu" together and you find a whole slew of spellings.

Its Jiu Juitsu, and yes it owns. Basically an advanced form of submission grappling, and they also learn some strikes too.

When you use the phrase "they also learn" that necessarily implies that you have no experience yourself in it. Like any martial art, there is a lot more to it than what most people think. I'm not so sure what one would mean by "advanced form" of things, but sure there is grappling and submission but it is not really all about grappling. In fact I would say that grappling is a more minor constituent of jujutsu, however again it is not entirely absent either. In fact I think there are probably more 'strikes' in jujutsu than grappling, but that could also due to me simply not knowing as many grappling techniques as I do punching ones.

Furthermore, yes it is indeed "jujutsu" and to put it frankly if you have been told otherwise, then they were wrong. There is indeed an official guide to Romanizing the Japanese language (Romanji); 'jutsu' and 'jitsu' are completely different words.
But, with that being said, unfortunately things like 'juijitsu' are used extensively; regardless, that does not make it right
LINK I just quickly Googled up for your reading pleausure.

My twin bro is taking Brazilian Jiu Juitsu atm (3 months now), it is mostly grappling, and some striking like the boxing. BJJ participants are not allowed to strike in Tournaments (though allowed to spar with boxing gloves/headgear) or they will have too many injuries. Unless its MMA tournament or something. My bro already has a lot of minor injuries just from grappling.

Words of my brother "Jiu Juitsu is mostly grappling, although most (BJJ schools) teach strikes as well". He has been interested in martial arts and MMA for 7+ years now, he was wrestling in High School too.


Now I'm talking about Brazilian Jiu Juitsu. "Regular Jiu Juitsu is not very effective, unless you want to go against 90yr old lady"-at least thats what Sherdog ppl say according to my bro.

What is different with Brazilian Jiu Juitsu is training methods, they go hands on, live opponents practicing their moves, not just striking air. Training method is similar to Judo but more focused on the ground. You won't learn much if you don't go against actual opponent. For example if boxer trains for 6 months and other trains in traditional Karate for 6 months, the boxer will demolish the karate guy (according to Bill Wallace who is a many time kickboxing/karate champion in 70's).

Good striking arts are boxing, Muay Thai, kickboxing or other fullcontact arts.

Brazilian Jiu Juitsu roots are from Japanese judoka, submission wrestling and modified further by Brazilians (Gracies) from 1920's onward with more ground focus

 

[lyssword]

Originally posted by: mattpegher
I am a firm beleiver in realistic kumate, ie full contact, and I mean full. How do these grappling styles spar? I would imagine protective equipment would be cumbersome.

People prefer full-contact live grappling over the live "getting kicked/punched in the head repeatedly", because grapplers can tap out if they feel pain or whatever.