Martini - vodka or gin ?

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: ggavinmoss

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Jzero
No poll?
It's gotta be gin, you whores. Preferably Bombay Sapphire. BTW, Bombay Sapphire has been one of the best gins for a Looooooong time. It's not hip and trendy, it really is that good. Tanq 10 - THAT's trendy.

Have you ever sat down and tasted various gins side by side? Tanqueray (the original stuff) is much better than Sapphire or anything else IMHO.

We did a "Pepsi Challenge" with 4 different gins: Bombay Sapphire, Tanqueray, El Ceapo Gasoline Brand, and Beefeater.

I took Beefeater hands down.

-geoff

"hands down" as in "one hand down on either side of the toilet rim heaving that foul stuff back up"?



Hehe....just kidding. To each his own.

 

[FatJackSprat]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: MachFive
A "martini" made with vodka is NOT a true martini.

Martini IMPLIES gin.

The only way you can legitimately get vodka in a martini glass with 2 olives is if you get a vodkatini. NOW SAY IT RIGHT!

Doesn't "Martini" imply vermouth, not gin ?

I drink my Martinis like Churchill does. He had a great quote regarding the vermouth in the Martini.

Was that quote something about a gin martini having enough vermouth by simply turning and looking in the direction of France?

I have a gin with a little dry vermouth every night to help me sleep. No garnish though and with two ice cubes, so I don't think it's martini. But then again, I don't care what's its name is when I'm drinking it.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: ggavinmoss

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Jzero
No poll?
It's gotta be gin, you whores. Preferably Bombay Sapphire. BTW, Bombay Sapphire has been one of the best gins for a Looooooong time. It's not hip and trendy, it really is that good. Tanq 10 - THAT's trendy.

Have you ever sat down and tasted various gins side by side? Tanqueray (the original stuff) is much better than Sapphire or anything else IMHO.

We did a "Pepsi Challenge" with 4 different gins: Bombay Sapphire, Tanqueray, El Ceapo Gasoline Brand, and Beefeater.

I took Beefeater hands down.

-geoff

Side by side, no, but I've tried quite a few different gins, and Sapphire seems the most complex and aromatic to me. To me Tanqueray tastes like it's only got juniper, where the other essences in Sapphire seem more pronounced to me. Beefeater is pretty tasty, especially in a martini, and if you want nothing but juniper, Seagram's is great for making G&T.

Although, Tanqueray makes the best vodka ever. Too bad nobody seems to know about it

 

[gururu]

i had a tanqueray gin martini a couple of weeks ago.. BLEEECHHH! it was nasty. i need to get some more hair on my chest.

 

[dolph]

a martini is made from gin and vermouth. a vodka martini is made from vodka and vermouth. notice how one implies gin without mentioning it?

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: FatJackSprat

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: deftron

Originally posted by: MachFive
A "martini" made with vodka is NOT a true martini.

Martini IMPLIES gin.

The only way you can legitimately get vodka in a martini glass with 2 olives is if you get a vodkatini. NOW SAY IT RIGHT!

Doesn't "Martini" imply vermouth, not gin ?

I drink my Martinis like Churchill does. He had a great quote regarding the vermouth in the Martini.

Was that quote something about a gin martini having enough vermouth by simply turning and looking in the direction of France?

I have a gin with a little dry vermouth every night to help me sleep. No garnish though and with two ice cubes, so I don't think it's martini. But then again, I don't care what's its name is when I'm drinking it.

That is correct. He'd turn and bow, as the legend goes. ;-)

Anyways, you're right about the naming conventions. Often, all that separates two drinks is how the ingredients are mixed. As such, a "proper" martini is gin, vermouth, 2 olives, and a martini glass. What you're drinking is tasty, but it isn't really a martini.

Personally, when I want a really good gin, I go with Bombay Sapphire. All those extra essences really makes the fun all the more enjoyable. But when I'm in the mood for simplicity, I go with Seagram's Extra Dry.

 

If it's not gin, it's not a martini.

All of the rest of the martini like drinks, ARE NOT MARTINIS, PERIOD!

 

[xeno2060]

I like Dirty Vodka Martinis very dry- Vodka(a good brand ie. Ketel one, Stoli...ect.)with a little Olive juice straight up

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
vodka. gin tasts like a damn forest.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: MachFive
A "martini" made with vodka is NOT a true martini.

Martini IMPLIES gin.

The only way you can legitimately get vodka in a martini glass with 2 olives is if you get a vodkatini. NOW SAY IT RIGHT!

You gonna argue that with James Bond?

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: MachFive
A "martini" made with vodka is NOT a true martini.

Martini IMPLIES gin.

The only way you can legitimately get vodka in a martini glass with 2 olives is if you get a vodkatini. NOW SAY IT RIGHT!

You gonna argue that with James Bond?

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Beau

Originally posted by: MachFive
A "martini" made with vodka is NOT a true martini.

Martini IMPLIES gin.

The only way you can legitimately get vodka in a martini glass with 2 olives is if you get a vodkatini. NOW SAY IT RIGHT!

You gonna argue that with James Bond?

BTW, a vodka martini should never be shaken. It bruises the vodka. Bond didn't know much about drinking.

 

[Vic]

In the end, it's a matter of preference. And I prefer my martinis to be vodka, 3 olives, no vermouth.

 

[guyver01]

just gimme vodka and gin... hold the freaking olive

 

[brtspears2]

Vodka, one olive, a splash of vermouth.

 

[biffbacon]

dirty vodka martini w/ bleu cheese stuffed olives

 

[atom]

Originally posted by: Vic
In the end, it's a matter of preference. And I prefer my martinis to be vodka, 3 olives, no vermouth.

Isn't that kind of like saying, "I want a Jack and Coke, but no coke in it."?

 

[Looney]

Vodka. Gin is nasty.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: Vic
In the end, it's a matter of preference. And I prefer my martinis to be vodka, 3 olives, no vermouth.

Isn't that kind of like saying, "I want a Jack and Coke, but no coke in it."?

No, it's like saying that you want a Jack and Pepsi. Or (better analogy) that you prefer a Jim Beam and Coke.

 

[atom]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: Vic
In the end, it's a matter of preference. And I prefer my martinis to be vodka, 3 olives, no vermouth.

Isn't that kind of like saying, "I want a Jack and Coke, but no coke in it."?

No, it's like saying that you want a Jack and Pepsi. Or (better analogy) that you prefer a Jim Beam and Coke.

In your example you are replacing an ingredient, not taking a whole ingredient out.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: Vic
In the end, it's a matter of preference. And I prefer my martinis to be vodka, 3 olives, no vermouth.

Isn't that kind of like saying, "I want a Jack and Coke, but no coke in it."?

No, it's like saying that you want a Jack and Pepsi. Or (better analogy) that you prefer a Jim Beam and Coke.

In your example you are replacing an ingredient, not taking a whole ingredient out.

And that's the same thing. He's replacing gin with vodka.

BTW, a vodka martini should never be shaken. It bruises the vodka. Bond didn't know much about drinking.

How exactly do you 'bruise' vodka?

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
Gin.
Bombay Saphire if you are hip and a crowd chaser.
Gliberts if your are on a budget.
Tanquery if you're old school.

So true...

The perfect martini - 4 oz of chilled gin, an olive speared by a toothpick, and the vermouth bottle waved over the rim of the martini glass (okay, if you must, a couple drops of Vermouth)

I prefer to pour some vermouth into the shaker and then pour it out. What's left clinging to the sides is the right amount. Add ice & gin, shake, serve... AHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[atom]

And that's the same thing. He's replacing gin with vodka.

I was referring to the "no Vermouth" not the Vodka.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: atom

And that's the same thing. He's replacing gin with vodka.

I was referring to the "no Vermouth" not the Vodka.

Ah, you're right then... that's not a martini. That's just vodka with 3 olives!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: atom

Originally posted by: Vic
In the end, it's a matter of preference. And I prefer my martinis to be vodka, 3 olives, no vermouth.

Isn't that kind of like saying, "I want a Jack and Coke, but no coke in it."?

No, it's like saying that you want a Jack and Pepsi. Or (better analogy) that you prefer a Jim Beam and Coke.

In your example you are replacing an ingredient, not taking a whole ingredient out.

Oh, I see, you're talking about the no vermouth.
It's actually not a requirement for a martini, and a common preferernce. I first started drinking them that way after I saw a Discovery channel documentary on the origins of the martini. One martini expert and New York City historian that they interviewed said that the original martinis did not actually contain vermouth. So I tried them that way and found that I actually prefer it. I've never liked vermouth.

BTW, it is important for a vodka martini to be shaken because it makes it colder (which is important to taste) and vodka is not "bruised." OTOH, a gin martini must be stirred, because it doesn't need to be as cold to taste good and gin can be bruised. The original Bond martini contained "Three measures of Gordon's (gin), one of vodka, half a measure of Kina Lillet (vermouth). Shake it very well until it's ice-cold, then add a large thin slice of lemon-peel."

edit: when shaking, vodka is not "bruised," but gin is. Bruising is when air molecules are absorbed into the liquid.