Mary Cheney on Larry King

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Thump553

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Thump553
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
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It's interesting that "open minded" liberals are all about the free exchange of ideas until those ideas conflict with their own positions. Then everyone should just STFU.

As to your complaint as to who makes the decisions after death... A simple will can take care of that. Good grief, if you're going to go throught he hassle of a dual POA you're certainly going to have wills drawn up. If you want your life partner to make the decisions, make them the executor of the will and give them power to make the arrangements.


I just spent several hours meeting with a gay couple, and will probably spend at least a dozen more researching and drafting custom documents for them to cover such mundane things as health care decisions, simple estate planning, etc. The sort of thing I ordinarily charge a married couple maybe $200 for. I would have to charge these people more like $20k if I fully billed it. In addition, the gay couple still faces unsatisfactory and incomplete solutions, even with the help of counsel and in one of the very few states that recognizes so-called civil unions.

With all due respect, you don't have the slightest idea of what you are talking about.

Interesting. So once you've done the initial work can you effectively 'boiler plate' the majority of the paperwork? It would seem to me... and of course I'm not a lawyer... that once you've set up one couple, another couple wouldn't be so drastically different that you'd have to reinvent the wheel every time one of them came in.


Wrong, unfortunately. For gay couples (this is not the first I have done) there is not much that can be duplicated because every possible contingency and life turn that may occur must be anticipated. And even for all that work, the endproduct you give them gives them maybe 80% of the coverage that the law automatically grants a married couple. And if my clients move to any state but the very few (less than five) states that recognize some form of civil union, much of what I've done for them is useless.

Remember too that federal law does not recognize civil unions or gay marriages. So for huge areas of the law, like income taxes, estate taxes, pension rights and the like, they are SOL.

Although I disagree with many of Ms. Cheney's positions (and I still rankle how the GOP used her lesbianism as a phony but effective campaign issue in the last election, through Edwards' supposed invasion of her privacy) I spoke nicely of her above. If I could stand Larry King, I probably would have watched more of the interview.

Attitudes towards gays is one of those hot-button issues where dogmatic thinking all too frequently is considered an adequate substitute for treating someone as a human being. I respect Richard Cheney and his wife for rising above such conduct.
 

randym431

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Sorry. here is a link for all cnn transcripts. Just pick the date and show. This one was larry king on may 10.

cnn transcripts

Also... say mary cheney had a child from a "once" hetro marriage, and got custody of her child in a divorce, then started a "gay" relationship with her life mate/partner of the same sex. And was in that relationship for 15 years.

Then say mary died of something (maybe her dad shoots her in the face on a hunting trip or something), then her gay partner would have no rights on that child they raised together for 15 years.
The birth father, even though he may have not seen or wanted to see his birth child for 15 years, he could just waltz in and take the child away. Her partner would have no rights what so ever.
Thats just one reason she is soooooo wrong in her thinking and I would hope she isn?t that stupid in thinking "feeling married" is anywhere?s near the same as being married legally. What got me going so with her is subscribing to policies that are not in her interest. In short, selling out to the republican right, whom are certainly no friend of hers.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: zendari
Haha, Mary Cheney apparently isn't gay enough for the leftwingers; you have to move lockstep with the agenda.

I'd say it's more like Mary has to move in lockstep with the Republican agenda. Even if she did support gay marraige I doubt she would publically admit it.

I think she has said she disagrees with Bush. Also, her father (Dick) has said he disagrees with Bush on this policy.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Mary Cheney won't toe the gay majority line so she is told to STFU. God forbid she has her own opinion.

only one person (the opening poster) has aked her to "shut up". I think many gay people are mostly just surprised that she is making any public comments at all, as she usually remains completely silent on these matters. Presumably it is because she is hawking her new book.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: randym431
The birth father, even though he may have not seen or wanted to see his birth child for 15 years, he could just waltz in and take the child away. Her partner would have no rights what so ever.

The surviving partner would no doubt have the financial resources to hire a big "legal gun", and would probably win custody. Unlike "average" gay people on "average" incomes.
 

shadow9d9

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: randym431
I didn?t see the show, but read the cnn transcript. I was a bit taken back. I sure hope she never becomes any kind of formal spokes person for the gay cause. She reminded me of the black people in the south in the 50's. As long as they kept in their place, they were allowed in society, separated as they were.
I was especially insulted at her answer when Larry ask her about gay marriage. She said she "felt" married already. Not good enough Mary...

And then she added they both have things like power of attorney, as if that was enough. You can have joint power of attorney with someone else, but that power is dead and null and void the moment the other person should die. Then law and blood family take over. Its the blood family then that makes the decisions as to property and wishes of the deceased, not the life partner.

Really a bit sickening, her interview and views. With spokes persons like that, who needs the Jerry Falwells or pat Robertsons.
No, she doesn?t have to go public and speak her views on gay issues just because she is Gay, but in her case I wish she wouldn?t and just shut up.

It's interesting that "open minded" liberals are all about the free exchange of ideas until those ideas conflict with their own positions. Then everyone should just STFU.

As to your complaint as to who makes the decisions after death... A simple will can take care of that. Good grief, if you're going to go throught he hassle of a dual POA you're certainly going to have wills drawn up. If you want your life partner to make the decisions, make them the executor of the will and give them power to make the arrangements.


Are you and zendari in bed together or something? There is no "liberal" group that identifies with one set of ideas... You are just lumping people together and then generalizing based on a post on a messageboard? That is why I never go around calling people "conservative" or "liberal"... of course, if you just want to bash the other side like you and zendari seem to be more interested in, continue the generalizations and random groupings of people together.

That's fair enough. But if you take away my liberal stereotyping the message is still the same. Mary Cheney won't toe the gay majority line so she is told to STFU. God forbid she has her own opinion.

I threw out the liberal label because it never fails that when a member of a specific (primarily liberal) group (gays, blacks, environmentalists) refuses to go along with the group-think they are shouted down. Look at Bill Cosby, Clarence Thomas, etc. And now Mary Cheney. The list of examples is long.


Yes, but only a handful of posters came accross that message.. it doesn't necessarily represent anything.. Just a few angry posters.
 
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