Mass Shooting at Dark Knight Rises Premier in Aurora Colorado (12 Dead, 59 Injured)

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micrometers

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He bought the shotgun and the AR15 at two retail stores.

That shouldn't be possible.

Just like Loughner bought his gun at WalMart.

I want to see these mass killers spending months to get their weapons, not a quick credit card purchase on weekday morning.
 

michal1980

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obviously. But with new supply (and parts) being hard to obtain, the overall supply would decrease over time.

Young people don't care about guns anyways.

then theres no need to ban them.


but on your banning point, your reponse is so childish it belongs in kindergraden.

Your like the kid that when playing rish starts losing shakes the game board
 

micrometers

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then theres no need to ban them.


but on your banning point, your reponse is so childish it belongs in kindergraden.

Your like the kid that when playing rish starts losing shakes the game board

I'm sorry, 12 people dead, 50 injured.

What if guns were banned and the killer used a knife instead?

Fewer dead and injured. Is that so hard to understand?
 

Wreckem

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Look man, I understand you think psychiatrists/psychologists are somehow geniusses but if they were that smart they would be working in actual medicine, not pseudoscience.

I don't smoke crack, I just put more belief in facts than angels and "soft" sciences. Sorry I don't buy into your religion(s).

That is what I thought. You think its pseudo science.

You are a complete fucking moron. And this is why we still have all these problems. Because people think mental health is pseudo science.

And thats why the FBI, and other federal/state/local agencies employ criminal psychologists/psychiatrists. Nope they cant tell if someone has a mental problem. Nope they can't predict what a person might do. Nope its all junk science.

/discussion
 
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Nvidiaguy07

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He bought the shotgun and the AR15 at two retail stores.

That shouldn't be possible.

Just like Loughner bought his gun at WalMart.

I want to see these mass killers spending months to get their weapons, not a quick credit card purchase on weekday morning.

Don't think it would have made a difference here. I don't think he did this in a whim.

Not sure how i feel about gun control, but if killing a bunch of people is what he wanted to do, he's gonna be able to do it. Taking rights away to try and prevent this probably isn't the answer. People do dumb things out of fear, asking for more security and less rights is one of them.

I mean, i think if i really wanted to, i could think of a few ways to kill a bunch of people that didn't involve guns, or even explosives for that matter. Easy.

The problem is finding and preventing these sick people - like someone mentioned. Although i agree he would probably easily pass a test. Best chance for preventing this was having people close to him report him, and have him evaluated along with facts given by family members. Even in this case though I'm guessing the mom didn't think her son would ever come to this, and who would raise questions on their own son, who had a promising future and might have just been going through a dark time. Turning him in would possibly ruin his life (assuming that if she didn't, he would have straightened himself out)
 

micrometers

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Don't think it would have made a difference here. I don't think he did this in a whim.

Not sure how i feel about gun control, but if killing a bunch of people is what he wanted to do, he's gonna be able to do it. Taking rights away to try and prevent this probably isn't the answer. People do dumb things out of fear, asking for more security and less rights is one of them.

I mean, i think if i really wanted to, i could think of a few ways to kill a bunch of people that didn't involve guns, or even explosives for that matter. Easy.

The problem is finding and preventing these sick people - like someone mentioned. Although i agree he would probably easily pass a test. Best chance for preventing this was having people close to him report him, and have him evaluated along with facts given by family members. Even in this case though I'm guessing the mom didn't think her son would ever come to this, and who would raise questions on their own son, who had a promising future and might have just been going through a dark time. Turning him in would possibly ruin his life (assuming that if she didn't, he would have straightened himself out)

Nope.

Mental health safeguards are important of course, but you can never craft a 100% safe one. The only thing you can do is to prevent him from obtaining the tools to harm large numbers of people.

You don't know if in a different world where guns weren't so readily available, maybe he wouldn't have been able to make the contacts to obtain these weapons. Or maybe he wouldn't have been able to come up with the money for this stuff (banning a good makes it more expensive).

I see this as a no-brainer. Public safety is enhanced. The only people who are unhappy are those creepy gun nuts who need to find another hobby.
 

bfdd

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dude was smart, you don't need guns to cause a ton of damage. in fact it's rather ineffective, explosions or bio weapons are better. if he didn't have access to guns, he may have gone and planned something similar to the sarin gas attacks in Tokyo. humans always rush to blame the tools they create for their failures.
 

micrometers

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dude was smart, you don't need guns to cause a ton of damage. in fact it's rather ineffective, explosions or bio weapons are better. if he didn't have access to guns, he may have gone and planned something similar to the sarin gas attacks in Tokyo. humans always rush to blame the tools they create for their failures.

You're speculating and don't know anything.

Could he have found other ways? Maybe. But in many ways those other methods are much riskier and take more effort than what he did.
 

Pr0d1gy

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That is what I thought. You think its pseudo science.

You are a complete fucking moron. And this is why we still have all these problems. Because people think mental health is pseudo science.

And thats why the FBI, and other federal/state/local agencies employ criminal psychologists/psychiatrists. Nope they cant tell if someone has a mental problem. Nope they can't predict what a person might do. Nope its all junk science.

/discussion

Calling me names and declaring the discussion over. Way to be an adult. Off your meds much?
 

Nvidiaguy07

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Nope.

Mental health safeguards are important of course, but you can never craft a 100% safe one. The only thing you can do is to prevent him from obtaining the tools to harm large numbers of people.

You don't know if in a different world where guns weren't so readily available, maybe he wouldn't have been able to make the contacts to obtain these weapons. Or maybe he wouldn't have been able to come up with the money for this stuff (banning a good makes it more expensive).

I see this as a no-brainer. Public safety is enhanced. The only people who are unhappy are those creepy gun nuts who need to find another hobby.
Not claiming i know anything for sure, but how can you possibly think that you know something so surely?

Clearly this isnt a no brainer. Like someone said, he was sick, could have killed people in many different ways. Maybe it stops 1 out of 10 sickos from shooting up a place if they dont have immediate access to guns, who knows, im guessing all it does is dent the inevitable. But i can assure you that does not solve the problem.

Im not claiming to know any answers, but i can tell you that is not one of them.
 

micrometers

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Not claiming i know anything for sure, but how can you possibly think that you know something so surely?

Clearly this isnt a no brainer. Like someone said, he was sick, could have killed people in many different ways. Maybe it stops 1 out of 10 sickos from shooting up a place if they dont have immediate access to guns, who knows, im guessing all it does is dent the inevitable. But i can assure you that does not solve the problem.

Im not claiming to know any answers, but i can tell you that is not one of them.

You've been conditioned to view guns as sacred. That is a shame.
 

bfdd

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You're speculating and don't know anything.

Could he have found other ways? Maybe. But in many ways those other methods are much riskier and take more effort than what he did.

I do know that if I ever had the need or want to end someones life, having or not having access to a gun isn't going to stop me. Causing mayhem is easy, even more so now a days. Policies that promote freedom and equality are really the only cure.
 

micrometers

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I do know that if I ever had the need or want to end someones life, having or not having access to a gun isn't going to stop me. Causing mayhem is easy, even more so now a days. Policies that promote freedom and equality are really the only cure.

Stupid. Not true. If he had a knife and stabbed someone in the theatre, that is a tragedy, but the people who are injured are going to be a handful, not 71. Guns are like a crazy multiplier.
 

davmat787

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You're speculating and don't know anything.

Could he have found other ways? Maybe. But in many ways those other methods are much riskier and take more effort than what he did.

That is all you have done, and shown, in this thread, very ironic indeed.

Banning guns or whatever to make you feel more safe in the short term is akin to plugging the leaking *** with a finger. In no time at all, another leak will occur until you are eventually out of fingers. Go after the root of the problem, not the symptoms.
 

bfdd

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Stupid. Not true. If he had a knife and stabbed someone in the theatre, that is a tragedy, but the people who are injured are going to be a handful, not 71. Guns are like a crazy multiplier.

Bombs are easy to make, getting poisonous gas isn't all that hard. Honestly anyone with some real gumption to raise havok doesn't need a gun to do it, just a little knowledge and effort. Seriously, if you think otherwise you live far to sheltered a life. Spending 3+ years working in the oil/energy industry has pretty much convinced me we don't really have a terrorist issue.
 

Pr0d1gy

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Not claiming i know anything for sure, but how can you possibly think that you know something so surely?

Clearly this isnt a no brainer. Like someone said, he was sick, could have killed people in many different ways. Maybe it stops 1 out of 10 sickos from shooting up a place if they dont have immediate access to guns, who knows, im guessing all it does is dent the inevitable. But i can assure you that does not solve the problem.

Im not claiming to know any answers, but i can tell you that is not one of them.


In fact, if these people actually read this thread instead of just reacting to the headline they would have discovered this guy built chemical and incendiary bombs and put tripwires in his apartment before he left, which the local and federal authorities may still be working to deactivate. These people are going to do this regardless of whether we allow guns or not. I think the body armor is the bigger issue, along with understanding why people do this.

Obviously to understand that we have to gain a better understanding of the human mind and how it works, and part of that is advancing psychology from a pseudoscience into a more definitive scientific field. That is going to be very hard to do as it is an infant with respect to other sciences, and it will take time. I just hate to think they may use this as more evidence to push a gun initiative, which could spiral this country into a serious problem.
 

micrometers

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Banning guns is akin to regulations forcing automobiles to meet crash standards. Do exotic designs and automotive creativity get stifled because of this? Yes. Does it save lives? Yes.

And automotive enthusiasts accept this, because it's just a hobby.
 

micrometers

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Bombs are easy to make, getting poisonous gas isn't all that hard. Honestly anyone with some real gumption to raise havok doesn't need a gun to do it, just a little knowledge and effort. Seriously, if you think otherwise you live far to sheltered a life. Spending 3+ years working in the oil/energy industry has pretty much convinced me we don't really have a terrorist issue.

But he didn't use a bomb, now did he? How many people bomb public areas compared to people shooting up public areas?
 

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But he didn't use a bomb, now did he? How many people bomb public areas compared to people shooting up public areas?

So you along with your infinite wisdom can guarantee that if we got rid of the 2nd amendment that this country would be safer for it?

Criminals with a history of violence would never be able to obtain a gun again because it's illegal right? I mean they do follow the law right?

I don't see how getting rid of the 2nd amendment would make this country safer. You're logic is that if everyone stopped making guns that they'd never be manufactured illegally and sold to people that shouldn't have them in the first place. No checks and balances as there are now.

What's stopping someone from driving a truck with filled gas cans in the back into a crowded Costco gas station and igniting the whole place? Yes that sounds extremely crazy but this is an isolated incident. People don't shoot up theaters every day.

Any extremism whether it be for gun control or against gun control is going to harm both sides no matter what. It's a matter of that mother fucker was crazy and psychotic. No sane person does this. Stop blaming the NRA for your hatred towards them.

I mean hell, my cousin was killed by a drunk driver but you don't see me telling people to outlaw alcohol do you? Use some sense.
 
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