Mass Shooting at Dark Knight Rises Premier in Aurora Colorado (12 Dead, 59 Injured)

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schneiderguy

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Banning guns is akin to regulations forcing automobiles to meet crash standards. Do exotic designs and automotive creativity get stifled because of this? Yes. Does it save lives? Yes.

No, banning guns is the same thing as ...... banning cars Obviously we could prevent ALL car deaths by banning cars, but the benefit to having cars around is much greater than the downside of a relatively small chance of getting killed in a car accident. Same with firearms.
 

bfdd

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But he didn't use a bomb, now did he? How many people bomb public areas compared to people shooting up public areas?

He has bombs in his house as far as we know now, he did create some bombs. If he didn't have access to these weapons, odds are he would have done more bombs.

In fact if he was bright and had planned on getting away with it, that's all he would have used. Pretty sure you can find a guide out there for how to get an Adruino to interupt based on a tweet. Dude could have tweeted "kaboom" and set the whole thing off if he wanted. Honestly you can find a guide out there on how to make an automated hacking drone that is untraceable. You really think people need to resort to primitive weaponry, like guns, to wreck havok? No, it's simply easier and to be honest less devastating thankfully.
 

Puddle Jumper

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obviously. But with new supply (and parts) being hard to obtain, the overall supply would decrease over time.

Young people don't care about guns anyways.

You must not know many young people, almost all of the firearm enthusiasts I know are <30 and there are always plenty of younger people at the ranges here.
 

dmcowen674

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Sadly events like this brings out the gun control nuts/super pansies.

Just like Virginia Tech, if there had been one armed patron in that theater to fire back and take out or at least slow down the nut the bloodshed would be held to a minimum.

This nut ball should be hung in front of the Aurora town hall.

Not giving any excuse for him going postal but as soon as I saw the news I knew it was because he couldn't find a decent job.

This is 90% the fault of Republicans this guy lost it.

Paying for and being in debt for the education he did and to wind up working in McDonald's is no surprise he lost and did what he did.

People will blame Obama, I still contend this mess is Bush's fault.
 

schneiderguy

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You must not know many young people, almost all of the firearm enthusiasts I know are <30 and there are always plenty of younger people at the ranges here.

Yep, the generation that grew up playing first person shooters are old enough to own guns now, and they do in large numbers :awe:
 

Sunburn74

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Chicago and DC are already like that, it didn't work.

Explain what you mean?

I'm talking about a temporary, but complete ban on the right to bear arms for all individuals within 3 cities as a social experiment. I doubt they did that.
 

michal1980

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Sadly events like this brings out the gun control nuts/super pansies.

Just like Virginia Tech, if there had been one armed patron in that theater to fire back and take out or at least slow down the nut the bloodshed would be held to a minimum.

This nut ball should be hung in front of the Aurora town hall.

Not giving any excuse for him going postal but as soon as I saw the news I knew it was because he couldn't find a decent job.

This is 90% the fault of Republicans this guy lost it.

Paying for and being in debt for the education he did and to wind up working in McDonald's is no surprise he lost and did what he did.

People will blame Obama, I still contend this mess is Bush's fault.

were you dropped as a kid?
 
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Sadly events like this brings out the gun control nuts/super pansies.

Just like Virginia Tech, if there had been one armed patron in that theater to fire back and take out or at least slow down the nut the bloodshed would be held to a minimum.

This nut ball should be hung in front of the Aurora town hall.

Not giving any excuse for him going postal but as soon as I saw the news I knew it was because he couldn't find a decent job.

This is 90% the fault of Republicans this guy lost it.

Paying for and being in debt for the education he did and to wind up working in McDonald's is no surprise he lost and did what he did.

People will blame Obama, I still contend this mess is Bush's fault.

This guy was wearing body armor, and I very seriously doubt that even, say, 5-10 CCW holders would have been sufficient to significantly change the outcome here - remember the North Hollywood shootout?

The shooter was a full time grad student until shortly before the incident. He had enough disposable income to buy four guns, body armor, a gas mask, 2 tear gas grenades and ingredients for explosives. It sounds as though he bought these things over the course of several months, in anticipation of this attack. I see no reason to believe this incident had anything at all to do with the economy or his inability to find work. Seems much likelier to me that he is floridly mentally ill.
 
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Puddle Jumper

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Explain what you mean?

I'm talking about a temporary, but complete ban on the right to bear arms for all individuals within 3 cities as a social experiment. I doubt they did that.

I'm not positive about DC but at least handguns are all but impossible to own legally in Chicago yet people are still killed with them on a near daily basis.
 

davmat787

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Sadly events like this brings out the gun control nuts/super pansies.

Just like Virginia Tech, if there had been one armed patron in that theater to fire back and take out or at least slow down the nut the bloodshed would be held to a minimum.

This nut ball should be hung in front of the Aurora town hall.

Not giving any excuse for him going postal but as soon as I saw the news I knew it was because he couldn't find a decent job.

This is 90% the fault of Republicans this guy lost it.

Paying for and being in debt for the education he did and to wind up working in McDonald's is no surprise he lost and did what he did.

People will blame Obama, I still contend this mess is Bush's fault.

Classic McOwned comment. Thx for letting us older guys know that sometimes things DO stay the same. :thumbsup:

Not everyone thinks like you do Dave, blaming or praising D's or R's for everything that happens, good or bad.

Life is not 100% safe like Karmy wants to legislate, in fact, life is 100% fatal.
 

Nvidiaguy07

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but you've listened to gun nuts spout their rhetoric, and you've internalized their arguments, without seriously challenging the assumptions behind them.

A shame.

Your not seeing the problem here, and its not guns, its people. Pretty f-ing obvious. He drove a car there too, why dong we ban cars? He would have had to walk ALL the way there if he didnt have one. Probably would have gotten tired and changed his mind....

Banning guns is akin to regulations forcing automobiles to meet crash standards. Do exotic designs and automotive creativity get stifled because of this? Yes. Does it save lives? Yes.

And automotive enthusiasts accept this, because it's just a hobby.

Worst analogy i have heard yet. car regulations dont take away any rights, they just protect people. No one is upset over not having "cool designs" . I dont know what else to say about this.... speechless
 

xj0hnx

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Gutting the 2nd amendment wouldn't flush the bill of rights down the toilet. Stop with the stupid romantic arguments.

Heck, the Brady Bill wasn't as strong as it should have been because of the gun lobby.

This is about tradeoffs. Would it suck that you can't have a deadly toy to play with? Yeah, a little. Having 12+ people dead in a movie theatre is far worse than this minor inconvenience. You can always substitute, I dunno, motorcycle building for your gun hobby.

People like you are just too retarded for words. To pretend that a law is going to stop someone that by definition doesn't follow the law ...it's just mind boggling.
 

micrometers

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Another witness in the audience named Corbin saw a man sitting in the front right of the audience on a phone before the attack happened. This man went and opened the emergency door and seemed to be trying to direct someone to the door, remaining on the phone the entire time. Minutes later the shooter came in and began the assault.

That was the shooter himself.
 

xj0hnx

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Explain what you mean?

I'm talking about a temporary, but complete ban on the right to bear arms for all individuals within 3 cities as a social experiment. I doubt they did that.

Oh, oh, oh, can we try a city where liberals can't talk next!?!?! ZOMG UTOPIA!!!
 

micrometers

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People like you are just too retarded for words. To pretend that a law is going to stop someone that by definition doesn't follow the law ...it's just mind boggling.

You're trapped in the NRA rhetoric that you've accepted without challenging or really thinking. Not too surprising.

He bought the guns from two sporting goods stores, 100% legal. If guns were more restricted, then maybe he could only have afforded one, or maybe he wouldn't have gotten such deadly instruments so easily.

You guys act like gun regulations have to work 100% or else they're a failure. Well, no. They just need to make an impact overall to be a success.
 

Balt

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The thing is, you can always blame society for the actions of a singular nutjob. It was the fault of movies, or video games, or the parents! (for example)

The fact is, however, that you can never completely prevent things like this from happening occasionally. If you think about how many strange or disturbed people you've met in your life, it's a wonder that it doesn't happen more frequently, to be honest.

Of course we all mourn the casualties, but there will always be people who are disturbed that slip through our caution.
 

micrometers

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Your not seeing the problem here, and its not guns, its people. Pretty f-ing obvious. He drove a car there too, why dong we ban cars? He would have had to walk ALL the way there if he didnt have one. Probably would have gotten tired and changed his mind....



Worst analogy i have heard yet. car regulations dont take away any rights, they just protect people. No one is upset over not having "cool designs" . I dont know what else to say about this.... speechless

The problem is the prevalence of guns. If he didn't have access to guns, he would have been less deadly, fewer people would be dead.
 

micrometers

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The thing is, you can always blame society for the actions of a singular nutjob. It was the fault of movies, or video games, or the parents! (for example)

The fact is, however, that you can never completely prevent things like this from happening occasionally. If you think about how many strange or disturbed people you've met in your life, it's a wonder that it doesn't happen more frequently, to be honest.

Which is why the US has so many more mass shootings than other countries. It really is the fault of easy access to guns.
 
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So?

In this day and age of nut jobs like this you know they are most likely wearing BA and aim high and low.

Knee caps and head shots.

The old fashioned days are gone.

That's why you practice at the range son.

He was wearing a riot helmet and body armor on his legs.

Do you ever read the news before you spin up your Bush conspiracy theories about it? Thank Christ I'm not your "son."
 
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davmat787

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The problem is the prevalence of guns. If he didn't have access to guns, he would have been less deadly, fewer people would be dead.

You realize that more people die from vehicles each year than firearms right? Yes/No question: Do you want to ban automobiles?
 
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