If I'm a law abiding citizen who has done nothing wrong, then I shouldn't have to justify my gun ownership to you. It doesn't matter why I need it.
We may have a higher crime rate, but how do you now it's because of our relatively easy access to guns?
personally it's all trolls or idiots mostly above.
Frankly, who cares about what the Founding Fathers thought? We live in a democracy in the 21st century. We can rule ourselves and make our own decisions.
Fun vs potential for mass murder. I think fun has to lose here, on the balance of things.
Part of ruling ourselves means, if we as a people support it, amending the Constitution. It's been done before and it can be done again. We as a people have not only not demonstrated a majority interest in eliminating the Second Amendment, we have chosen to elect Presidents and Congresspeople who, as a whole, would not even seriously propose doing so. I don't think most Americans want "assault weapons" banned, much less to see the Second Amendment reversed but if they do, they can elect officials who share that belief and will act to see it happen.
I'm arguing against people's religio-reverence of the constitution. It's not sacred in the least, and people should be open to amending it. Eliminating the 2nd should be part of the political discussion in this country. Right now it is not.
I'm arguing against people's religio-reverence of the constitution. It's not sacred in the least, and people should be open to amending it. Eliminating the 2nd should be part of the political discussion in this country. Right now it is not.
As I posted before in this thread, the reality is that there are already millions and millions of guns in this country. Making them illegal would only insure that the worst people - creeps and outright criminals - would have all the guns. If we were starting from a clean slate with a new, never-inhabited country, full of apple-cheeked babies, I would be prepared to seriously discuss making guns completely illegal. Realistically, in THIS country, with THESE people and their descendants, I see no realistic way to implement something like this without just increasing the victimization of the innocent at the hands of the cruel.
It's not part of the discussion because the majority of the people do not want it to be.
A massacre in a theatre affects interstate commerce.
Because most gun crimes are between people who know each other? That is, people get in an argument, bring a gun, situation gets worse. Gun exists due to easy access in society.
Why do you need an AR15?
The argument of guns and ownership is drawing to a quick close. I've heard the discussions and law enforcement is VERY concerned that in the next 20-30 years, you'll just be able to print one.
Now of course that's just a simplified statement, to print one out. But it is a real, upcoming problem. Currently magazines can be printed. Not some speculation, or plans, but fully functional rifle magazines.
This is what people are doing in their free time. Imagine with crowd sourcing and 3d printers being in the price range of a couple of hundred bucks.
Just download the torrent for an AR-15 and print the thing. Need a 100 round magazine, just download it.
How do you stop something like that? It's not going to work to simply ban them. Yeah yeah, but you still have to have a barrel and bolt! Think what they'll be able to print in 20 years when this stuff is as common as a flat panel monitor. It's coming, and why law enforcement and government is concerned.
There's going to have to be a shift somewhere in how crime, mental illness and drugs are treated in the future. Simply banning firearms, even if you were able to make existing ones go "poof" into thin air, isn't going to prevent the future.
it would have been preferable for Mr. Holmes to have knives instead of guns. He might have cut a handful of people, instead of the 71 that he injured and 12 that have died so far.
No, you will not eliminate violence completely, but you will lessen the impact.
I have news for you. It has been perfectly legal to build your own firearm. Whether that is from existing parts or parts of your own manufacture it is entirely legal. The ATF has a process and paperwork for it. All you have to do to maintain the legality is submit the paperwork and scribe what ever serial # you like on the part of the weapon that functions as the receiver. I watched my buddy who is also a gun smith do it and the SN# he chose was "XOXOXO"
Yes, it would have. But we were specifically talking about a situation where firearm prohibition would result in more crimes being committed with knives rather than guns: domestic disputes.
The case of a shooting massacre in the US is not such a case where firearm prohibition would result in more such cases being committed with knives, since the premeditation and disregard for the law in such a case, unlike the domestic dispute case, means that the offender would conceivably ignore the firearm prohibition and buy a gun on the black market.
You're trapped in the NRA rhetoric that you've accepted without challenging or really thinking. Not too surprising.
He bought the guns from two sporting goods stores, 100% legal. If guns were more restricted, then maybe he could only have afforded one, or maybe he wouldn't have gotten such deadly instruments so easily.
two things:
in a domestic dispute, it is easier to run from a knife than from a gun.
Secondly, black market goods are expensive and hard to attain because they are black market. In other words, he might have been able to afford a handgun, but not all 4 guns + body armor that he brought in, as it would have been prohibitively expensive for a broke grad student.
I have news for you. It has been perfectly legal to build your own firearm. Whether that is from existing parts or parts of your own manufacture it is entirely legal. The ATF has a process and paperwork for it. All you have to do to maintain the legality is submit the paperwork and scribe what ever serial # you like on the part of the weapon that functions as the receiver. I watched my buddy who is also a gun smith do it and the SN# he chose was "XOXOXO"
Pathetic?
Look in the mirror much?
Actually dumbass, black market would make them EASIER to obtain, since there is no regulation on them, and when someone is selling a stolen gun they can't ask for anywhere near real cost, they are a LOT cheaper.
You are so completely clueless about reality.
two things:
in a domestic dispute, it is easier to run from a knife than from a gun.
Secondly, black market goods are expensive and hard to attain because they are black market. In other words, he might have been able to afford a handgun, but not all 4 guns + body armor that he brought in, as it would have been prohibitively expensive for a broke grad student.
Restricting manufacture and supply means expensive. The risk of police confiscation raises costs and prices. The lack of legitimate manufacturing means that supply is limited, raising prices.
Gun idiots bring up the black market fairy all the time. It's so fucking stupid.