Mass Shooting at Dark Knight Rises Premier in Aurora Colorado (12 Dead, 59 Injured)

[OutHouse]

Now there's a mental image. 2nd amendmant only applies to muskets. :hmm:

i edited my post to be more clear.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Here is the raw footage from Holmes' court appearance today - http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eeqvTh8vMFI

He looks very sleep-deprived and not to be taking this as seriously as one might expect, but he doesn't look completely crazy a la Jared Loughner.

 

[davmat787]

Why do you need an AR15?

The photo below is of a Ruger Mini-14. Like an AR-15, it is a semi-automatic that shoots .223, same as the AR-15. You can buy extended magazines as well, and other accessories. Why you are singling out the AR-15?

Also, as soon as I heard the shooter in Aurora had a 100 round magazine, I was shocked it did not jam. Well, apparently it did jam. Those 100 round mags for the "tacticool" crowd, not serious shooters as they are jam queens. There is a reason the military does not use them, favoring the reliable 10, 15, and 20 round mags.

So many are erroneously calling the AR-15 an assault rifle. If you think the AR-15 is indeed an assault rifle, wouldn't the Ruger Mini-14 ranch rifle pictured below also be one? Or not, because it has a wood stock and is not all black?

 

[5150Joker]

Christian terrorist!! OMG they like killing 6 yr old babies! I agree Earl, if he had been Muslim, Incorruptible would've posted 10 threads about it by now with other lemmings proposing to nuke the mideast.

 

[spidey07]

I haven't been through the entire thread, but apparently he was an occupier. Part of Occupy Black Bloc. Couple this with the other terrorist acts of the occupy movement (trying to blow up bridges, etc).

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/ju...nts-on-aurora-movie-theater-shooting-20120720

As speculation mounts about the motive behind the mass shooting, one private investigator has said that Holmes may have been part of Occupy Wall Street’s most violent faction, Occupy Black Bloc.

Bill Warner told how the Batman movie portrays the OWS crowd in a negative vein, leading him to believe that may have been a cause behind the gunman’s rage.”

 

[davmat787]

Christian terrorist!! OMG they like killing 6 yr old babies! I agree Earl, if he had been Muslim, Incorruptible would've posted 10 threads about it by now with other lemmings proposing to nuke the mideast.

You guys are the only ones who cares what he writes. No one on the right, left and in between takes his one to two sentences on subjects that are infinitely more complicated. Just ignore him, he feeds off it. And besides, there is enough crazy talk around these parts to be making up more.

Please, for humanities sake.

 

[xj0hnx]

The photo below is of a Ruger Mini-14. Like an AR-15, it is a semi-automatic that shoots .223, same as the AR-15. You can buy extended magazines as well, and other accessories. Why you are singling out the AR-15?

Also, as soon as I heard the shooter in Aurora had a 100 round magazine, I was shocked it did not jam. Well, apparently it did jam. Those 100 round mags for the "tacticool" crowd, not serious shooters as they are jam queens. There is a reason the military does not use them, favoring the reliable 10, 15, and 20 round mags.

So many are erroneously calling the AR-15 an assault rifle. If you think the AR-15 is indeed an assault rifle, wouldn't the Ruger Mini-14 ranch rifle pictured below also be one? Or not, because it has a wood stock and is not all black?

This was always good for a laugh, and throwing the AWB in the face of idiots that thought it meant anything. Both rifles are functionally identical, but the AR family was banned, while the Ruger's prices dropped. Maybe it's because Ruger was pro-gun control.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Just ignore him,

You should follow your own advice

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I haven't been through the entire thread, but apparently he was an occupier. Part of Occupy Black Bloc. Couple this with the other terrorist acts of the occupy movement (trying to blow up bridges, etc).

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/ju...nts-on-aurora-movie-theater-shooting-20120720

There is no evidence of this other than one private investigator's speculation. His speculation is really silly IMO in that he is theorizing that the shooter might have been motivated by anti-Occupy sentiment in the movie. To me this is a stupid theory for two main reasons: First, this shooting spree happened on the movie's opening night and involved months of preparation, so it defies common sense to maintain that he was inspired by the movie's plotting. Second, the movie really does not contain any anti-Occupy sentiment.

I suppose it's possible Mr. Holmes was part of the Occupy movement, but thus far there is no evidence to suggest that, and it seems improbable given that he was apparently not a sociable person. Even assuming, for the sake of argument, he were part of it, and even if that was his motivation for this shooting (and these are two assumptions that are unsupported by any evidence), I find it very very difficult to believe this shooting was part of some kind of Occupy conspiracy to create chaos. If it was, that would be very disturbing indeed, but I really doubt it.

 

[corwin]

This was always good for a laugh, and throwing the AWB in the face of idiots that thought it meant anything. Both rifles are functionally identical, but the AR family was banned, while the Ruger's prices dropped. Maybe it's because Ruger was pro-gun control.

Actually you're slightly off...they are functionally not identical, the AR is traditionally gas impinged while the Ruger is a fixed piston gas system...they are functionally different

In all practicality they just look different though

 

[xj0hnx]

Actually you're slightly off...they are functionally not identical, the AR is traditionally gas impinged while the Ruger is a fixed piston gas system...they are functionally different

In all practicality they just look different though

Functionally identical as in both fire the same round, from the same type of magazine, at the same rate, considering the AWB had nothing to do with operation, it's close enough.

 

[corwin]

Functionally identical as in both fire the same round, from the same type of magazine, at the same rate, considering the AWB had nothing to do with operation, it's close enough.

Yeah I was just being facetious

The AWB was just utter BS and anybody who actually cared to know anything about it knew it, most of the anti-gun crowd even knew it but saw it as a stepping stone to an outright ban they just couldn't keep the lie alive...that and "assault weapons" are almost never used in crimes anyway

 

[xj0hnx]

Yeah I was just being facetious

The AWB was just utter BS and anybody who actually cared to know anything about it knew it, most of the anti-gun crowd even knew it but saw it as a stepping stone to an outright ban they just couldn't keep the lie alive...that and "assault weapons" are almost never used in crimes anyway

Yea, isn't the .38 revolver historically the most used firearm in crime? though I would imagine with the invent of the 9mm that gap is closing.

 

[corwin]

Yea, isn't the .38 revolver historically the most used firearm in crime? though I would imagine with the invent of the 9mm that gap is closing.

Actually I thought it was the .22, but I could be off on that one...in any case a handgun in general is used orders of magnitude more than any "assault rifle" ever has been

 

[Jaskalas]

Christian terrorist!! OMG they like killing 6 yr old babies! I agree Earl, if he had been Muslim, Incorruptible would've posted 10 threads about it by now with other lemmings proposing to nuke the mideast.

Yet neither of you two clowns have provided information connecting the shooter to religion. I've still read nothing to that effect. So are you just trolling?

 

[Jaskalas]

i edited my post to be more clear.

Really? Well... thanks, but you should know I was being playfully serious about it. I imagine the Supreme Court has had to rule on whether it only applies to muskets... but I think someone could seriously make the case.

If the government can define and limit the possession of 'arms', then you can whittle that down to the most obvious choice, the common one it referred to at the time.

If it is legal to ban fully automatic assault rifles, I think you can confine the 2nd amendment to only allowing muskets.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Yet neither of you two clowns have provided information connecting the shooter to religion. I've still read nothing to that effect. So are you just trolling?

The shooter did not do this because of his religion.
That is the connection

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Yea, isn't the .38 revolver historically the most used firearm in crime? though I would imagine with the invent of the 9mm that gap is closing.

I would guess that if we were identifying any particular model of gun as being most used in crime (i.e., a Smith & Wesson J-frame as opposed to, generically, a .38 revolver), it would just be whatever is the most popular handgun at any particular time. I would guess that in the last 30 years, the Glock 17 is probably the gun that has been used in the most crimes, including use in a number of shooting sprees like the Luby's massacre, and other Glock models would also be in the running (e.g., a G19 was used at Virginia Tech, and a G20 was apparently used by Holmes in Aurora).

I can certainly understand why "assault rifles" are scary to the lay-public, and they are certainly potent killing tools in the hands of someone like James Holmes, but I think people have the mistaken impression they are frequently used in crimes, which is false. Indeed the two deadliest spree shootings in US history, VA Tech and Luby's, were done with just handguns. On the other hand, there are a fair number of gang shootings with such rifles, albeit a much smaller number than those committed with pistols.

 

[Jaskalas]

The shooter did not do this because of his religion.
That is the connection

He even has one?

 

[Orignal Earl]

He even has one?

heh
You may be right.
I should of said if he was an Arab, the discussion here would be about Islam

 

[Zargon]

a G20 was apparently used by Holmes in Aurora

glock 22 or 23, al li can find is 40cal, the 20 is 10mm which almost no one uses because its stupid

 

[alzan]

I would guess that if we were identifying any particular model of gun as being most used in crime (i.e., a Smith & Wesson J-frame as opposed to, generically, a .38 revolver), it would just be whatever is the most popular handgun at any particular time. I would guess that in the last 30 years, the Glock 17 is probably the gun that has been used in the most crimes, including use in a number of shooting sprees like the Luby's massacre, and other Glock models would also be in the running (e.g., a G19 was used at Virginia Tech, and a G20 was apparently used by Holmes in Aurora).

I can certainly understand why "assault rifles" are scary to the lay-public, and they are certainly potent killing tools in the hands of someone like James Holmes, but I think people have the mistaken impression they are frequently used in crimes, which is false. Indeed the two deadliest spree shootings in US history, VA Tech and Luby's, were done with just handguns. On the other hand, there are a fair number of gang shootings with such rifles, albeit a much smaller number than those committed with pistols.

Agree. There seems to be an impression with people that smaller guns aka pistols are "less dangerous". Maybe they see them as not as accurate because the barrel is shorter. I think there is some truth to that though I'm not knowledgeable enough to say.

That being said I wonder why Holmes used a rifle. Was he going for the intimidation factor by using a "big" gun vs a small gun? Pistols are a hell of a lot easier to conceal than a rifle; at least in public. Of course, he could have gotten the best of both worlds by using the Smith & Wesson .50 cal; granted it's a revolver but I know my bowels loosened the first time I saw one.

 

[spidey07]

Agree. There seems to be an impression with people that smaller guns aka pistols are "less dangerous". Maybe they see them as not as accurate because the barrel is shorter. I think there is some truth to that though I'm not knowledgeable enough to say.

That being said I wonder why Holmes used a rifle. Was he going for the intimidation factor by using a "big" gun vs a small gun? Pistols are a hell of a lot easier to conceal than a rifle; at least in public. Of course, he could have gotten the best of both worlds by using the Smith & Wesson .50 cal; granted it's a revolver but I know my bowels loosened the first time I saw one.

In terms of killing somebody rifle>shotgun>pistol.

Of course we can get into the 5.56 round having a tendency to just go through people at close distances rather than inflicting fatal/massive wounds.

 

[corwin]

Agree. There seems to be an impression with people that smaller guns aka pistols are "less dangerous". Maybe they see them as not as accurate because the barrel is shorter. I think there is some truth to that though I'm not knowledgeable enough to say.

Accuracy is greatly affected by barrel length but for something like this it wouldn;t have mattered, this guy wasn't aiming to begin with

That being said I wonder why Holmes used a rifle. Was he going for the intimidation factor by using a "big" gun vs a small gun? Pistols are a hell of a lot easier to conceal than a rifle; at least in public. Of course, he could have gotten the best of both worlds by using the Smith & Wesson .50 cal; granted it's a revolver but I know my bowels loosened the first time I saw one.

The rifle was for capacity, luckily he was an idiot and used those moronic 100 round drums that jam more often than not...and he wasn't concerned in the least with concealing anything or even getting away...I'm really curious what the hell his motivation was

 

[alzan]

Accuracy is greatly affected by barrel length but for something like this it wouldn;t have mattered, this guy wasn't aiming to begin with

The rifle was for capacity, luckily he was an idiot and used those moronic 100 round drums that jam more often than not...and he wasn't concerned in the least with concealing anything or even getting away...I'm really curious what the hell his motivation was

I thought the AR15 was a semi-automatic? He had to have been doing some aiming for the death count to have been as high as it was in the relative short span of the incident.

So am I. A few people interviewed mused that it might have been because he'd only been able to get a job at a McDonalds. Possible but doubtful. That's be a whole lot of overkill <pun unintended> for the chaos and death caused. It was a factor but based on what we've seen, plus his appearance in court; there's more going on underneath his bright red hair.