Do you really believe a young man working towards a PhD in Neuroscience could not pass a mental health check? Obviously, there is no way a background check would do anything to prevent this because he had no record and was a college graduate from Cal-Riverside with the highest honors.
Again, the guns aren't the problem. We need to do some serious research into why people have been doing this for decades. This goes back at least to the University of Texas belltower shooting, so it is not a new phenomena, but it is happening more often now for some reason and THAT is what people should focus on.
A handgun would not have helped against him. He had body armor, it was a crowded theatre.
Only thing would have been preventing him from obtaining the weapons in the first place. Maybe a more pro-active police state that *gasp* pried your guns from your cold dead fingers.
These events are UNACCEPTABLE. THere needs to be a clampdown on gun owners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing
Should we ban cars, fertilizer, and gasoline also? :hmm:
Give me a break. This psycho would have used a pistol or his shotgun had the AR-15 not been available. It wouldn't have mattered. Clearly he was off his rocker and snapped. It's easy to say: "We need to have stricter gun laws and not allow people to have them that easy. We need to make them much more expensive".
Yes make them much more expensive because I'm sure it'll make it that much more difficult for a drug dealer or someone on the black market to obtain that sort of cash.........
The logic is flawed when it comes to "gun control". Plain and simple this nut job took the lives of innocent people for his own psychotic reasons. Try and make it as political as want. The fact still stands that he was mentally unsound. He proved so by doing what he did.
The point is that our mental health check is not waterproof. some crazies get through. At that point, the only option is decreasing overall availability of guns, make it so difficult that they go by another less deadly route.
I value public safety over the rights of some dumb shit gun fetishist.
The point is that our mental health check is not waterproof. some crazies get through. At that point, the only option is decreasing overall availability of guns, make it so difficult that they go by another less deadly route.
I value public safety over the rights of some dumb shit gun fetishist.
If you take away guns from the public then only the criminals would have them.
Less deadly? What about the amount of explosives they are disarming inside of his apartment. If he didn't have access to guns do you think there would have been less loss of life with his home made explosives?
While I don't own a gun myself, decreasing the overall availability of guns will not deter felons or unsavory people from obtaining weapons such as the AR-15. I'm sure the guy selling dope on the street corner can raise cash much quicker than the average joe. No mental health check is waterproof by the way. You just don't know what can make someone snap.
What if they come back and say that the explosives were made from household chemicals and gasoline? Should they start rationing gasoline and household chemicals the way the do with cold medicine in the manufacturing process of methamphetamine? Where does it stop? It's people that kill people.
Try to do what Tim McVeigh did and see how long you go before the government knocks on your door.
Any similar effort to monitor people stockpiling guns would be shot down quickly.
blah blah standard NRA rhetoric.
you're the same guys who oppose efforts to prevent criminals from purchasing guns, who try to hamstring the ATF in its enforcement of gun regs.
Do you really believe a young man working towards a PhD in Neuroscience could not pass a mental health check? Obviously, there is no way a background check would do anything to prevent this because he had no record and was a college graduate from Cal-Riverside with the highest honors.
Again, the guns aren't the problem. We need to do some serious research into why people have been doing this for decades. This goes back at least to the University of Texas belltower shooting, so it is not a new phenomena, but it is happening more often now for some reason and THAT is what people should focus on.
I don't own a gun, and am not a member of the NRA. This is just common sense.
Uh, if he actually had a mental health check by a licensed psychologist/psychiatrist, probably not.
Everything more and more points to untreated mental illness.
And like I said most of these mass shootings in the US are because of untreated mental illness/psychological problems, so we already know why most happen. Mass shootings arent performed by a common criminal.
blah blah standard NRA rhetoric.
you're the same guys who oppose efforts to prevent criminals from purchasing guns, who try to hamstring the ATF in its enforcement of gun regs.
It is possible you are right, but the more probable scenario is that he is smarter than the person evaluating him and knows what not to say. Crazy people pass those psychological evals to get jobs all the time, and they certainly were not college grads studying for a PhD in Neuroscience.
Pysch evals to get a job are no way the same as psych evals performed by psychiatrists.
Psychologists and Psychiatrists are PhDs/MDs as well. You act like they aren't trained to spot people people who have mental illness even when those people are lying.
No, I just understand that these people are not as intelligent as a guy working on a Neuroscience doctorate.
so why was a 6 year old at a midnight showing and that too an R rated movie?
The fact is that if the conversation were about banning guns altogether, then the NRA would be fighting to keep handguns and rifles around.
That would mean that AR15's and shotguns wouldn't even be on the radar, and not in his hands.
Also, isn't an AR15 stupidly easy to convert into an automatic? As much as gun nuts deride legislation, they don't quite realize that much of it is convoluted because of the gun nut influence. It would be simpler to just ban the things entirely, let the remaining stock be grandfathered in, whatever, eventually they'll decay.
The AR 15 in this case was not modified.
As for banning and the guns decaying. A gun isn't going to decay with proper maintenance. There are plenty of guns from the 1800s in perfect working condition. Not to mention any gun smith can fix any problem a gun has.
Thats fucking comical. A person with an MD with multiple years of residency dealing with the batshit insane and likely many years of experience past that vs a college student with mental illness?
You are smoking crack.