I think this whole discussion is silliness. There is a problem that has a demonstrated solution. Some people don’t like that solution though so they decide we need to instead fix human misery.The real education you’re describing, IMO, is a pipe dream. There’s millions of people taught to hate themselves from day 1, and much of that is done under the tenets of religion. So while we can hope for the best possible scenario, ie a complete overhaul of our social structure, which would be great, I think that just means our country has ended as we know it. In other words, that’s a long long way down the road and won’t be here without revolution .
The revolution happens within, one person at a time.The real education you’re describing, IMO, is a pipe dream. There’s millions of people taught to hate themselves from day 1, and much of that is done under the tenets of religion. So while we can hope for the best possible scenario, ie a complete overhaul of our social structure, which would be great, I think that just means our country has ended as we know it. In other words, that’s a long long way down the road and won’t be here without revolution .
Of course you can see only what you can see so this seems real to you. The problem is that for your solution to happen changes have to be made to the law. It will depend on other people coming on board. For my solution to happen all that needs to change is you and that requires nothing new, only a return to what you have forgotten what you have always been. You want others to give up their guns while you deny your own reality. You would laugh at yourself if you could see it.I think this whole discussion is silliness. There is a problem that has a demonstrated solution. Some people don’t like that solution though so they decide we need to instead fix human misery.
If you want to do that and are able to do that, great, but it has nothing to do with solving gun violence, which we can do right now.
The revolution happens within, one person at a time.
I think this whole discussion is silliness. There is a problem that has a demonstrated solution. Some people don’t like that solution though so they decide we need to instead fix human misery.
If you want to do that and are able to do that, great, but it has nothing to do with solving gun violence, which we can do right now.
Well we should not surrender.Yes, I understand your position. I wouldn’t mind if it was the solution, but I’m not seeing that as a path forward
Well we should not surrender.
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Haha. And why is it unlikely to happen. Look at what @fskimospy is saying to you, that it takes great determination to change the world but it can be done, that it is foolish to try to fix humanity because the task is too large, that all that is needed is to fix the availability of guns. Why does he not apply his logic to his own situation and realize his own lack of ambition, his own shortage of faith, his own limitations?Unlikely to happen.
Haha. And why is it unlikely to happen. Look at what @fskimospy is saying to you, that it takes great determination to change the world but it can be done, that it is foolish to try to fix humanity because the task is too large, that all that is needed is to fix the availability of guns. Why does he not apply his logic to his own situation and realize his own lack of ambition, his own shortage of faith, his own limitations?
He wants to change a world you doubt can be changed. All I am trying to do is to express to you is that the only thing you need to do to change the world, the only thing you CAN do to change it.is to change yourself.
But who would ever suspect that the answer lies hidden in the one place that we believe is truly worthless. So let’s cry in our beer or decorate our prison, anything but feel what we really feel.
Eureka, I have it! We can start shooting people who have guns.
What can change is how happy people are with a situation. Gun regulation before gun banners got involved was something gun owners wanted. Now nobody wants to give an inch fro fear they the other will take a mile. I guess we can say it’s the banners that are killing the children.It’s unlikely to happen because you’re expecting way more out of people that they’re either incapable or unwilling to give. While self reflection, growth, personal change may come easy for some, it won’t come easy to many. We’ve had this “be the change you want to see in the world “ all along, and where we are at now is exactly that. You seem to think other people are unhappy with the current status of firearms, they are not, and that’s why it won’t change simply wishing it.
Right. All those mass shootings, none of them are done by the mentally ill.the main mental illness is people thinking guns aren't the problem.
What can change is how happy people are with a situation. Gun regulation before gun banners got involved was something gun owners wanted. Now nobody wants to give an inch fro fear they the other will take a mile. I guess we can say it’s the banners that are killing the children.
Right. All those mass shootings, none of them are done by the mentally ill.
Would guns be the issue if there were no mentally ill people? Do you have to be mentally ill to mass murder people? Whether you agree on what the solution to gun violence is, whether its the guns or the violence, and in particular which is most easily or most likely to be able to be fixed, I don't think a rational argument can be made that the motive force behind mass killing is a mentally ill person and that short of that illness he and not she would not create victims. Can't we just abort 90 percent of male children and equally fix the problem? Aren't the people trying to ban gun ownership by women just avoiding the real issue. It's males that mass murder statistically so the more males the more mass murder. You are looking right at the solution. just ban yourself.Um, it’s the guns that are killing children.
Would guns be the issue if there were no mentally ill people? Do you have to be mentally ill to mass murder people? Whether you agree on what the solution to gun violence is, whether its the guns or the violence, and in particular which is most easily or most likely to be able to be fixed, I don't think a rational argument can be made that the motive force behind mass killing is a mentally ill person and that short of that illness he and not she would not create victims. Can't we just abort 90 percent of male children and equally fix the problem? Aren't the people trying to ban gun ownership by women just avoiding the real issue. It's males that mass murder statistically so the more males the more mass murder. You are looking right at the solution. just ban yourself.
It is self identification that kills people, some fantastical notion that who you are has been violated and you have the right to revenge. This is an American cultural motif. Our culture breeds killers via ignorance greed and fear. In a race to the top there is a lot of pushing and shoving going on and that breeds the will for payback. Everybody wants to get even for something.
What you really mean when you say we can do nothing about mental health is to say I as a person can never care. And that's because like everybody else you want to suck rather than suckle.
Other places have mentally ill people too. Mentally ill people have been around since the start of time. It's not an explanation for current gun violence levels in the US particularly relative to other similarly developed countries. It also creates an impossible target for improving the situation. Rather than regulating a material, producible trackable good you want to try and regulate the quality of thoughts inside people's heads as a means of trying to stop them from doing bad things.Would guns be the issue if there were no mentally ill people? Do you have to be mentally ill to mass murder people? Whether you agree on what the solution to gun violence is, whether its the guns or the violence, and in particular which is most easily or most likely to be able to be fixed, I don't think a rational argument can be made that the motive force behind mass killing is a mentally ill person and that short of that illness he and not she would not create victims. Can't we just abort 90 percent of male children and equally fix the problem? Aren't the people trying to ban gun ownership by women just avoiding the real issue. It's males that mass murder statistically so the more males the more mass murder. You are looking right at the solution. just ban yourself.
It is self identification that kills people, some fantastical notion that who you are has been violated and you have the right to revenge. This is an American cultural motif. Our culture breeds killers via ignorance greed and fear. In a race to the top there is a lot of pushing and shoving going on and that breeds the will for payback. Everybody wants to get even for something.
What you really mean when you say we can do nothing about mental health is to say I as a person can never care. And that's because like everybody else you want to suck rather than suckle.
I've said this before in other firearm/mental illness threads. I'm of high confidence that 95%+ of Americans have severe mental issues rooted in trauma that require diagnosis and treatment. Most people aren't fit to care for pets, much less raise children or own firearms.Thing is, everyone is a damaged person.
One thing Moonbeam has right, as soon as a person studies the mind, they start to see untreated mental health symptoms everywhere.
I am suggesting there is a reason why you see one as being easier than the other. That is where the problem lies.Ok, you can continue with your strawman all you want. The stats are the stats man, as unhappy as that makes you. Guns are killing kids at a higher rate than anything else I know of.
And once again, we can address both gun access and mental health if we choose too, it doesn’t have to be one or the other.
Really, if we choose to do both, guns will be the easier of the two to address.
I am suggesting there is a reason why you see one as being easier than the other. That is where the problem lies.
I have never said one over the other. I favor what I consider to be sane gun control. What you are doing is wishing there were laws that control what people can do so what's in their heads can't find the tools to manifest. I don't want to control anything. I don't have to control anything. I understand where any urge I might have to kill anybody comes from and I am not identified with such thinking. I don't have any hope that I can control what others are thinking. I believe that if others had understanding of how they operate they would have all the self control I could ever ask for and more. You are afraid that someone will impose some sort of mental prison on you which is just a projection of your actual condition.Other places have mentally ill people too. Mentally ill people have been around since the start of time. It's not an explanation for current gun violence levels in the US particularly relative to other similarly developed countries. It also creates an impossible target for improving the situation. Rather than regulating a material, producible trackable good you want to try and regulate the quality of thoughts inside people's heads as a means of trying to stop them from doing bad things.
You can't make people fix themselves. I have told you again and again you don't want to fix yourself any more than I do. What hope would I have elsewhere. I can only suggest why that is and let you do as you will. We are as we are because we grew up in the dark. Light will hurt your eyes. Heads up.Because it is. You seem to want people to just fix themselves. And I’m saying good luck with that, as the majority of damaged people don’t think they’re damaged, and will not take kindly to being told otherwise. And btw, those same people are likely armed.
You can't make people fix themselves. I have told you again and again you don't want to fix yourself any more than I do. What hope would I have elsewhere. I can only suggest why that is and let you do as you will. We are as we are because we grew up in the dark. Light will hurt your eyes. Heads up.
Regarding mental health vs firearm arguments, I'm reminded of this climate change comic.
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Treating the mental health of America would pay dividends, and there's no political resistance to it (at least not at this point in time). I find it rather ridiculous to even consider gun control in America at this point in time.
It's almost like they were inherited…Mental health problems as we know are built into much of our society from day 1