Mass shootings in Las Vegas

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Alpha One Seven

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So the gf returned back from PH today and is with the FBI. Would be very interesting to hear what she has to say.

If she's never home then it's possible she never knew about the guns. She was probably with him just for the $ and didn't care much for what he did.
That's a sad commentary on your life if you think a woman will only be with a man for money.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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That's a sad commentary on your life if you think a woman will only be with a man for money.
Why is that sad, it happens all the time.

Shit, just look a twitter in chief, yea I'm sure melania is just so deeply in love.
 
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gorcorps

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It's sounding an awful like ISIS right now actually. ISIS has claimed responsibility not only once, but twice and that's exceptionally rare. We won't know for some time once all of the evidence has been gone through.

And to say I didn't want to jump to any conclusions, but I think this could be ISIS isn't some hair brained conspiracy theory. Especially given the fact many of the terrorist attacks of late have been ISIS related. And compared with the comments I've seen On Facebook, my assumptions have a hell of a lot more merit. Tell me something. Have you seen what people are proposing about what happened on Sunday?

No, it's not

You WANT it to be ISIS, because that's a lot easier to process than a old white guy snapped and gunned down a bunch of people. ISIS claims responsibility for any massive attack, so I'm not sure what you mean by it's rare... it's not. A terrorist organization would love nothing more than for people to think they're the brainchild behind every attack.
 

John Connor

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No, it's not

You WANT it to be ISIS, because that's a lot easier to process than a old white guy snapped and gunned down a bunch of people. ISIS claims responsibility for any massive attack, so I'm not sure what you mean by it's rare... it's not. A terrorist organization would love nothing more than for people to think they're the brainchild behind every attack.


I don't want it to be this or that. I'm constantly reading and watching the news, gathering the facts as we know them and making my best educated guess on what I think is most likely. It may or may not be ISIS, I don't know and we all don't know until all of the evidence comes out and we know for sure. I think it's safe to say many people want to know what the motive was.

I say that it seems ISIS related because of several key points:

A) The shooter may in fact had help.

B) They found explosives in his car.

C) This was a well planned out attack.

D) And when ISIS makes a claim not just once, but twice it is rare. I base that on what the terrorist experts say.


Are we to believe this was just a one off without any help or guidance from a group? This guy just hated country music? He even cased another venue before choosing the Mandalay Bay.

Now I'm not going to sit here and say, yeah, this is definitely ISIS. But so far it looks that way. It just has that felling to it. It could be nothing more than a case of mental health.
 

NoTine42

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I don't want it to be this or that. I'm constantly reading and watching the news, gathering the facts as we know them and making my best educated guess on what I think is most likely. It may or may not be ISIS, I don't know and we all don't know until all of the evidence comes out and we know for sure. I think it's safe to say many people want to know what the motive was.

I say that it seems ISIS related because of several key points:

A) The shooter may in fact had help.

B) They found explosives in his car.

C) This was a well planned out attack.

D) And when ISIS makes a claim not just once, but twice it is rare. I base that on what the terrorist experts say.


Are we to believe this was just a one off without any help or guidance from a group? This guy just hated country music? He even cased another venue before choosing the Mandalay Bay.

Now I'm not going to sit here and say, yeah, this is definitely ISIS. But so far it looks that way. It just has that felling to it. It could be nothing more than a case of mental health.
At least 2 other venues according to the recent reports as he booked 2 rooms overlooking Lollapalozza in Chicago:

http://wgntv.com/2017/10/05/las-vegas-gunman-booked-hotel-overlooking-lollapalooza-report-says/
 

Capt Caveman

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I don't want it to be this or that. I'm constantly reading and watching the news, gathering the facts as we know them and making my best educated guess on what I think is most likely. It may or may not be ISIS, I don't know and we all don't know until all of the evidence comes out and we know for sure. I think it's safe to say many people want to know what the motive was.

I say that it seems ISIS related because of several key points:

A) The shooter may in fact had help.

B) They found explosives in his car.

C) This was a well planned out attack.

D) And when ISIS makes a claim not just once, but twice it is rare. I base that on what the terrorist experts say.


Are we to believe this was just a one off without any help or guidance from a group? This guy just hated country music? He even cased another venue before choosing the Mandalay Bay.

Now I'm not going to sit here and say, yeah, this is definitely ISIS. But so far it looks that way. It just has that felling to it. It could be nothing more than a case of mental health.

A-C have all been conducted by domestic terrorists

D - sure when they've been ignored, have provided no evidence and no evidence has been found on the killer's computer and phone they're going to cry that they did it b/c no motive has been found yet.

Again, why did he commit suicide instead of jihad?
 

AznAnarchy99

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Dec 6, 2004
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I don't want it to be this or that. I'm constantly reading and watching the news, gathering the facts as we know them and making my best educated guess on what I think is most likely. It may or may not be ISIS, I don't know and we all don't know until all of the evidence comes out and we know for sure. I think it's safe to say many people want to know what the motive was.

I say that it seems ISIS related because of several key points:

A) The shooter may in fact had help.

B) They found explosives in his car.

C) This was a well planned out attack.

D) And when ISIS makes a claim not just once, but twice it is rare. I base that on what the terrorist experts say.


Are we to believe this was just a one off without any help or guidance from a group? This guy just hated country music? He even cased another venue before choosing the Mandalay Bay.

Now I'm not going to sit here and say, yeah, this is definitely ISIS. But so far it looks that way. It just has that felling to it. It could be nothing more than a case of mental health.

A-C) He was also extremely rich.
D) They claim every attack.
 
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jtvang125

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Allegedly he used the left window (looking from outside) to target jet fuel tanks. It didn't say if the rounds pierced the tanks but experts said that it wouldn't ignite the fuel even if they did. They were about 700 yrds out.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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I don't want it to be this or that. I'm constantly reading and watching the news, gathering the facts as we know them and making my best educated guess on what I think is most likely. It may or may not be ISIS, I don't know and we all don't know until all of the evidence comes out and we know for sure. I think it's safe to say many people want to know what the motive was.

I say that it seems ISIS related because of several key points:

A) The shooter may in fact had help.

B) They found explosives in his car.

C) This was a well planned out attack.

D) And when ISIS makes a claim not just once, but twice it is rare. I base that on what the terrorist experts say.


Are we to believe this was just a one off without any help or guidance from a group? This guy just hated country music? He even cased another venue before choosing the Mandalay Bay.

Now I'm not going to sit here and say, yeah, this is definitely ISIS. But so far it looks that way. It just has that felling to it. It could be nothing more than a case of mental health.

The explosives were legally obtained tanerite.
 

John Connor

Lifer
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The explosives were legally obtained tanerite.


Everything this guy did was legal. I did hear for a brief moment something about ammonium nitrate. That too is legal to get a hold of, but in mass quantities the FBI comes crawling up your ass.
 

John Connor

Lifer
Nov 30, 2012
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Allegedly he used the left window (looking from outside) to target jet fuel tanks. It didn't say if the rounds pierced the tanks but experts said that it wouldn't ignite the fuel even if they did. They were about 700 yrds out.


It's been claimed now the shooter wasn't targeting the jet fuel tanks. He was just spraying and praying.

There was a good episode on Myth Busters about trying to explode fuel tanks with a bullet. They concluded it's only in Hollywood that happens.
 

John Connor

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Nov 30, 2012
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I sure hope Paddock isn't as smart as I think he is. I fear about something that could really botch the investigation. It's a real threat for massive crimes like these including smaller crimes. I'm not at liberty to say what that is because I don't want a future asshole to get any ideas. But if it becomes known, I'll quote my post.
 

Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
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It's been claimed now the shooter wasn't targeting the jet fuel tanks. He was just spraying and praying.

There was a good episode on Myth Busters about trying to explode fuel tanks with a bullet. They concluded it's only in Hollywood that happens.

I saw that episode, they tried really really hard to get that gas tank to explode too. Jet fuel is a bit more flammable but I think it was the lack of air/oxygen that was the main problem.
 

disappoint

Lifer
Dec 7, 2009
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I don't want it to be this or that. I'm constantly reading and watching the news, gathering the facts as we know them and making my best educated guess on what I think is most likely. It may or may not be ISIS, I don't know and we all don't know until all of the evidence comes out and we know for sure. I think it's safe to say many people want to know what the motive was.

It's unlikely it was ISIS. Very unlikely.

He had started stockpiling weapons as early as 1982. Ramped up weapon purchases over the last year. He was known to be antisocial to the extreme. Even so far as not wanting to talk to the air traffic controllers when piloting his planes. Not wanting to talk to his tenants, hiring someone else to talk to them for him. It's why he enjoyed video poker so much, no need for human interaction.

He would lie in bed at night moaning and sometimes screaming "Oh my God!" according to his girlfriend.

He hated the government and taxes.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. He has been fighting mental illness for a long time and has been getting worse.

For all we know he may have hallucinated voices similar to the Son of Sam case many years ago telling him to kill but kept it together enough to not tell anyone and fought urges for a long time. The voices may have made it difficult for him to listen and converse with people without giving himself away. He may have been concerned that people would discover his mental illness if they interacted too much.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...s-elusive-as-new-details-emerge-about-attack/

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/l...lfriend-says-he-would-lie-bed-moaning-n808156
 
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disappoint

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His form of mental illness could also have had aspects to it somewhat similar to Ted Kaczynski's (The Unabomber)

Kaczynski states that technology has had a destabilizing effect on society, has made life unfulfilling and has caused widespread psychological suffering.[76] He argues that because of technological advances, most people spend their time engaged in useless pursuits which he calls "surrogate activities", wherein people strive towards artificial goals. Examples he gives of surrogate activities include scientific work, consumption of entertainment and following sports teams.[76] He predicts that further technological advances will lead to extensive human genetic engineering and that human beings will be adjusted to meet the needs of the social systems, rather than vice versa.[76] He believes that technological progress can be stopped, unlike others who he says understand some of its negative effects yet passively accept it as inevitable,[77] and calls for a return to "wild nature".[76]

Note his hatred for people following "useless pursuits" including entertainment. This fits in with Stephen Paddock's plan to do the same at Lollapalooza in Chicago and the Vegas music festival.
 
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