Mass shootings in Las Vegas

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BudAshes

Lifer
Jul 20, 2003
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There’s a difference between getting a story wrong every once in a while and getting it wrong half the time. Fox News is the least accurate news media source out of all the major news networks and those sites you are quoting and linking are just plain rubbish.

You know JC did say he was diagnosed as mentally handicapped. Not sure if everyone just missed that, but there is a reason he falls for the same cons as the elderly.
 

highland145

Lifer
Oct 12, 2009
43,561
5,964
136
Kinda skimmed through it but all I can say is wow. I'm still baffled on why he needed that many guns for one person. I can see maybe 10 or so to swap around but why almost 20. Plus they were just strewn all over the place. And what's with the scuba mask and hose?
I figured tear gas.

The media loves to toss around "arsenal" but in this case...55 weapons and bought over a year. Arsenal.
 

jtvang125

Diamond Member
Nov 10, 2004
5,399
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I figured tear gas.

The media loves to toss around "arsenal" but in this case...55 weapons and bought over a year. Arsenal.

I was thinking that too but I don't recall an air tank being recovered. But I guess he can just stick the end out the window or into an area with clean air.

While I'm sure there are many people that own more guns than the shooter you gotta admit 55 should still raise an eyebrow. And the majority of them just AR variants? Don't get me wrong I love guns and have a few myself but I do question his real motive.
 

deadlyapp

Diamond Member
Apr 25, 2004
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I was thinking that too but I don't recall an air tank being recovered. But I guess he can just stick the end out the window or into an area with clean air.

While I'm sure there are many people that own more guns than the shooter you gotta admit 55 should still raise an eyebrow. And the majority of them just AR variants? Don't get me wrong I love guns and have a few myself but I do question his real motive.
I have a handful of friends who probably have collections of that size, and many who probably have half of them ARs or AR variants. A lot of them were purchased in the last big election because everyone thought that they would go up in value with a Dem in office, which didn't end up doing anything (but causing a short term bubble). Now they are reluctant to sell them and instead are just holding onto them.

Not everyone with big collections are bad guys, despite what the media would want us to believe.
 

highland145

Lifer
Oct 12, 2009
43,561
5,964
136
I was thinking that too but I don't recall an air tank being recovered. But I guess he can just stick the end out the window or into an area with clean air.

While I'm sure there are many people that own more guns than the shooter you gotta admit 55 should still raise an eyebrow. And the majority of them just AR variants? Don't get me wrong I love guns and have a few myself but I do question his real motive.
Some mental instability. 2 or 3 with plenty of mags would have been plenty to do what he did.

~1050 shell casings found in the room.
 
Sep 29, 2004
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I have a handful of friends who probably have collections of that size, and many who probably have half of them ARs or AR variants. A lot of them were purchased in the last big election because everyone thought that they would go up in value with a Dem in office, which didn't end up doing anything (but causing a short term bubble). Now they are reluctant to sell them and instead are just holding onto them.

Not everyone with big collections are bad guys, despite what the media would want us to believe.

Bad guys without guns don't kill people. Bad guys with guns kill people.
 

FIVR

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2016
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Tell that to the people in Oklahoma City (or other cities to numerous to count).

Timothy McVeigh had LOTS of guns. He was a huge gun "enthusiast" who used to travel to different gun shows all over the West. He met his co-conspirator at a gun show.


The people in Oklahoma City might be alive today if it wasn't for insane right-wing militant gun culture.
 

BD231

Lifer
Feb 26, 2001
10,568
138
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I been living in Vegas the past month, 1 stabbing and two shotgunned to the chest.

This place is hardcore.

 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
36,041
472
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I have a handful of friends who probably have collections of that size, and many who probably have half of them ARs or AR variants. A lot of them were purchased in the last big election because everyone thought that they would go up in value with a Dem in office, which didn't end up doing anything (but causing a short term bubble). Now they are reluctant to sell them and instead are just holding onto them.

Not everyone with big collections are bad guys, despite what the media would want us to believe.
Yea but who in the hell needs that many guns. Like you said, they for some reason thought Obama was going all the guns away which goes exactly to the point, no normal sane single person needs that many guns.
 

Craig234

Lifer
May 1, 2006
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This whole 'bad guy' thing is part of the problem. It creates a Manichean view that justifies and condemns too much.

So, some guy with 50 guns is not a 'bad guy'. OK. And ya, the Las Vegas shooter was a 'bad guy'. OK.

But who cares, given the rest of the issues? Is someone who goes hunting a 'bad guy'? No matter what they shoot if it's legal? Gray area legal? Illegal? If they carry a gun around with them 'just in case' and it can be pulled out in a situation like road rage are they a 'bad guy'? Isn't there some room for sympathy for poor people who commit crimes with guns, while not condoning it?

The bottom line isn't to sit around labeling 'good guys' and 'bad guys'. It's to look at the issue - what good do guns do, what freedoms are worth protecting, what harm do different types of guns do, what should the balance be to try to reduce the thousands of shootings annually unlike anywhere else in the world? Looking at the prevalence of guns and their use for crime or self-defense.

As long as people don't pay any attention to the issues other than to decide they're victims of government oppression because maybe somehow there might be some restriction on guns and feel self-righteous owning those 50 guns that they're not 'bad guys' for owning them, it's hard to do much to address any issues.

Sadly, they tend to be manipulated by the interests who want to turn them into pawns to vote for one political party for other reasons, by using the gun issue. And boy, do they fall for it.
 

Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
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A casino whose most recent major publicity was being involved in a massive shooting sues the shooting victims?

From reddit:
Lawyer here. It's a badly written article, but I do think MGM is initiating a lawsuit against the victims, it's just that they're seeking a "declaratory judgment". It's a special type of complaint someone can file to clear up a legal issue by saying there's a dispute here, and they want a judge to confirm they owe no money.

But it does mean that people who haven't sued MGM need to hire a lawyer to defend, or else risk getting a default judgment essentially depriving them of the right to sue MGM in the future.

You can't move to dismiss a lawsuit until it's been filed. So they filed one against everyone who hasn't sued them yet. They also got to pick the court that would hear the dispute, which is an advantage that the plaintiff in a lawsuit usually gets.

Interesting discussion thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonio...esorts_sues_more_than_1000_las_vegas/e2jro88/
 

Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
16,846
13,778
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Yes I figured it was something like that.

However it’s still a screwup publicity and possibly financial, wise on their part in my opinion.
  • It’s close enough to a suit that it should have been obvious how it would be reported
  • It adds a further legal burden (even if its minor) on people who were already victims of a mass shooting
  • It shows the casino is more interested in potential losses than the harm done to individuals (I know that describes casinos to a T but still)
  • It also ignores the studies that show apologies and empathy generally reduce the instances of lawsuits while this may backfire enormously if the judge rules against the casino as every potential plaintiff will then know they can sue. Plus they’ll be pissed off to begin with.
Regardless of the court case, for the next couple of months people going to Vega may very well ask themselves do they want to stay at that casino where those people got shot and then sued by the casino. My guess is a not insignificant number will take their money elsewhere.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
38,000
18,346
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Yes I figured it was something like that.

However it’s still a screwup publicity and possibly financial, wise on their part in my opinion.
  • It’s close enough to a suit that it should have been obvious how it would be reported
  • It adds a further legal burden (even if its minor) on people who were already victims of a mass shooting
  • It shows the casino is more interested in potential losses than the harm done to individuals (I know that describes casinos to a T but still)
  • It also ignores the studies that show apologies and empathy generally reduce the instances of lawsuits while this may backfire enormously if the judge rules against the casino as every potential plaintiff will then know they can sue. Plus they’ll be pissed off to begin with.
Regardless of the court case, for the next couple of months people going to Vega may very well ask themselves do they want to stay at that casino where those people got shot and then sued by the casino. My guess is a not insignificant number will take their money elsewhere.

Not only in Vegas, MGM has a presence in CT and now MA, not going near it.
 
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Kaido

Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
Feb 14, 2004
48,518
5,340
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Yes I figured it was something like that.

However it’s still a screwup publicity and possibly financial, wise on their part in my opinion.
  • It’s close enough to a suit that it should have been obvious how it would be reported
  • It adds a further legal burden (even if its minor) on people who were already victims of a mass shooting
  • It shows the casino is more interested in potential losses than the harm done to individuals (I know that describes casinos to a T but still)
  • It also ignores the studies that show apologies and empathy generally reduce the instances of lawsuits while this may backfire enormously if the judge rules against the casino as every potential plaintiff will then know they can sue. Plus they’ll be pissed off to begin with.
Regardless of the court case, for the next couple of months people going to Vega may very well ask themselves do they want to stay at that casino where those people got shot and then sued by the casino. My guess is a not insignificant number will take their money elsewhere.

tbh, I'd feel kinda bad for the casino if they got sued. They did nothing wrong. A crazy dude snuck weapons into their hotel room & used them to carry out a terrorist activity. That's like somebody stealing your car, getting in an accident, and then you getting sued by the person they hit because your asset was used in the event.

If anything, if they really wanted good PR, they should offer all of those 1,000+ victims a free weekend hotel trip with comped food or something. Although if I was shot at from a hotel, I'd probably never want to go near that place again. But maybe push it to a whole week, throw in available therapists, etc., and that would seem like a pretty decent thing for a corporation to do to try to help mend the situation. Sure, it's all corporate baloney, but it'd be better than suing the victims first. Man our country is messed up
 
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Paratus

Lifer
Jun 4, 2004
16,846
13,778
146
tbh, I'd feel kinda bad for the casino if they got sued. They did nothing wrong. A crazy dude snuck weapons into their hotel room & used them to carry out a terrorist activity. That's like somebody stealing your car, getting in an accident, and then you getting sued by the person they hit because your asset was used in the event.

If anything, if they really wanted good PR, they should offer all of those 1,000+ victims a free weekend hotel trip with comped food or something. Although if I was shot at from a hotel, I'd probably never want to go near that place again. But maybe push it to a whole week, throw in available therapists, etc., and that would seem like a pretty decent thing for a corporation to do to try to help mend the situation. Sure, it's all corporate baloney, but it'd be better than suing the victims first. Man our country is messed up

I agree. The casino was a victim too and they could have worked to turn it into goodwill. Instead.....
 
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Darwin333

Lifer
Dec 11, 2006
19,946
2,329
126
Yes I figured it was something like that.

However it’s still a screwup publicity and possibly financial, wise on their part in my opinion.
  • It’s close enough to a suit that it should have been obvious how it would be reported
  • It adds a further legal burden (even if its minor) on people who were already victims of a mass shooting
  • It shows the casino is more interested in potential losses than the harm done to individuals (I know that describes casinos to a T but still)
  • It also ignores the studies that show apologies and empathy generally reduce the instances of lawsuits while this may backfire enormously if the judge rules against the casino as every potential plaintiff will then know they can sue. Plus they’ll be pissed off to begin with.
Regardless of the court case, for the next couple of months people going to Vega may very well ask themselves do they want to stay at that casino where those people got shot and then sued by the casino. My guess is a not insignificant number will take their money elsewhere.

I'm curious if they would lose even more business if they lost a suit and the media started reporting they were responsible for the shooting?
 
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