Well, maybe you should have supported a real healthcare bill instead of letting republicans smash the thing into a clusterfuck?
Socialized medicine would go a very long way into helping alleviate employers rising cost of healthcare.
So you think you can coerce companies into paying for sick days without adversely affecting employment even further? Where will the money come from? All of the appeals to emotion in the world won't make money grow on trees. The reason no one can afford to hire right now is because it is too damn expensive because of all of the things employers have to pay for. I could be fined or imprisoned for hiring someone at $5 an hour, even if we both agreed that that was a fair wage. Because of this, the cheapest employee costs over $10 an hour after we factor in unemployment insurance and other mandatory benefits. All of these regulations force businesses to try to cut as many corners as they can rather than doing what is right of their own volition. You admitted as much, saying, "Most employers wouldn't have a problem with this unless they are sleezy." If they have no problem with it, then why wouldn't they enact such a rule on their own? When will you see a link between cause and effect instead of treating these things as if they are all unrelated?
Problem still not found.....
Yes, lets pay people not to work. I am sure that won't backfire.
the problem is that when you hit a small business with an increase in cost... they either a) cut the numbers of employees or b) pass that cost onto consumers.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...5383413669781840.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
Same thing with minimum wage increases. You have to weigh the consequences. My wife is a teacher... and she has seen parents drop off kids with fevers that almost got the child into an emergency room. So a law like that might help in such cases.
I just get pissed because where I work we get a generous amount of sick days, but buttheads still come in coughing over everything.
So much for minimum wage, rest periods, worker's comp, and all that other government mandating mumbo jumo eh.
I thought most private companies moved from sick time and vacation days to flat out PTO. It prevents people from abusing 2 different pools and using "sick time" for "vacation" and what not. Now we're moving back?
No one in the US has put forth a decent healthcare proposal in my lifetime, regardless of what party they're in. I have, however, watched every government effort to manipulate healthcare result in increased costs, decreased provider satisfaction, and decreased accessibility to care. Even your strawman is fail.Well, maybe you should have supported a real healthcare bill instead of letting republicans smash the thing into a clusterfuck?
Socialized medicine would go a very long way into helping alleviate employers rising cost of healthcare.
Then why don't you negotiate that with your employer?
No, count the number of minimums and the number of maximums. The Abstract/Preamble says MINIMUM.
Use your brain.
Apparently, the bill writers did not catch that typo.
"(b) All employees who work in the Commonwealth who must be absent from work for the
reasons set forth in subsection (c) shall be entitled to not less than 7 sick days with pay during a
12-month period, or to a pro rata number of paid days or hours under the provisions of
subsection (d). The 12-month period for each employee shall be calculated from the date-of-hire
or subsequent anniversary date."
It makes no sense to legislate maximum sick days.
Companies can provide as many paid sick days as they want.
Yes, lets pay people not to work. I am sure that won't backfire.
Well, maybe you should have supported a real healthcare bill instead of letting republicans smash the thing into a clusterfuck?
Socialized medicine would go a very long way into helping alleviate employers rising cost of healthcare.
Because most empoyers dont give 2 shits about their employees anymore. Sounds like a great bill and should go nationwide in my opinion.
It's been proven over and over again that every bill that has been proposed will raise cost and lower care. Hence, the "czar" that is in love with rationing.
This is where i disagree. While I do not technically agree with the philosophy of the bill, I understand that the state has a right to do what it thinks is right to protect employees. I can see why they would do this, and have no problem with it as long as it is the STATE requiring it and not the fed. Different areas have different problems and needs. We don't have that problem here so we wouldn't need to resolve it by messing with our system.
That's because employees are no longer valuable assets to their companies. If you had any unique skills, you would be in a position to negotiate. If you want to do a job that everyone else can do, then you shouldn't expect to receive the red carpet treatment for doing it. This bill simply mandates that an employer give you a benefit for no logical reason: the state is being used as a weapon to force businesses to act contrary to their own best interest to give you something which you haven't earned. Another way of looking at it from the company's perspective is that the bill is increasing your pay (or decreasing your productivity) by one day per 30 hours of work.Because most empoyers dont give 2 shits about their employees anymore. Sounds like a great bill and should go nationwide in my opinion.
By "we", do you mean you and the company you work for, or do you mean "we" as in every single person in your state?
Because i highly doubt its the latter. And that is where the problem lies.
That's because employees are no longer valuable assets to their companies. If you had any unique skills, you would be in a position to negotiate. If you want to do a job that everyone else can do, then you shouldn't expect to receive the red carpet treatment for doing it. This bill simply mandates that an employer give you a benefit for no logical reason: the state is being used as a weapon to force businesses to act contrary to their own best interest to give you something which you haven't earned. Another way of looking at it from the company's perspective is that the bill is increasing your pay (or decreasing your productivity) by one day per 30 hours of work.
Look, I agree that it would be great if everyone could get time off when their kid is sick or to care for a dying family member. However, I also know that this growing list of feel-good things which companies are required to do is a huge contributor to the reason so many people don't have jobs right now. It's simply no longer in the best interest of the company to hire someone when they bring so much liability with them to the job. Why do you think illegals get hired for things? By the nature of their hiring, they come without all of these strings attached: illegal labor is the market's solution to all of the idiotic labor policies of government.
Two bills have been proposed by the Massachusetts legislature to force all companies to provide at least but not more than seven days paid sick time, with an outline for what they may officially be used for, if the company does not already provide at least 20 days vacation that fulfill the same outlined criteria.
That criteria includes any sort of illness, physical or mental, of the employee or anyone in their family; or for routine medical appointments; or for recovering from domestic abuse. Sick days would accrue at one hour sick leave per thirty hours worked.
These are .PDF files, 12 pages each. You have been warned.
http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/186/st00pdf/st00688.pdf
http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/house/186/ht01pdf/ht01815.pdf
What fantasy world does the legislature live in, that they think this is good for businesses? It's terrible news for small businesses. I work in retail during the school year; a total of about eight people on the staff, including the managers, for a store that is open ten hours a day, six days a week, and seven hours on Sunday. We're already short a person due to the recession, but forcing payment for sick leave, probably on short-notice, is a terrible idea. And that's certainly not the smallest business - what about contractors and landscaping companies? No indications that I'm reading to exempt them from these bills.
Edit: Fuck you all.
I'm not sure I see the problem.... shouldn't everyone be able to take a few days per year to handle stuff like an illness of a child, dr's appointment etc? If they have to take those without pay, you're forcing a lot of folks to choose between health and work. I'm fine with requiring a minimum number of paid days off, provided it's a reasonably small number.
No, but it's the reality of the situation. By tying up employment with all of these extraneous expenses, you are creating this situation where the only two parties who really should have any say in the matter (employer and employee) cannot legally agree even if they will both benefit from that agreement. What business is it of yours if I'm willing to work without insurance/sick leave/whatever? I would rather do that than be unemployed, which is quickly becoming the alternative. I don't like it, but reality is reality whether we like it or not.And you are ok with the above bolded? You like corporations to treat people like subhumans just so they can make more profit?
No, but it's the reality of the situation. By tying up employment with all of these extraneous expenses, you are creating this situation where the only two parties who really should have any say in the matter (employer and employee) cannot legally agree even if they will both benefit from that agreement. What business is it of yours if I'm willing to work without insurance/sick leave/whatever? I would rather do that than be unemployed, which is quickly becoming the alternative. I don't like it, but reality is reality whether we like it or not.
No, but it's the reality of the situation. By tying up employment with all of these extraneous expenses, you are creating this situation where the only two parties who really should have any say in the matter (employer and employee) cannot legally agree even if they will both benefit from that agreement. What business is it of yours if I'm willing to work without insurance/sick leave/whatever? I would rather do that than be unemployed, which is quickly becoming the alternative. I don't like it, but reality is reality whether we like it or not.
It's no wonder why this country is so fucked up, considering that a proposed bill requiring a basic minimum of benefits gets so much debate. The number of people here who have been brainwashed into thinking that only laws and regulations that benefit business are worth considering is just insane.