Massive showing at ‪March For Our Lives‬ event. Anyone go?

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Lanyap

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You don't have a point of view you just have talking points.

The kids are scared. I get that. I have a 19yo. But this will not really solve the problem of school shooters. Take Cruz for example. So many people who knew that Cruz could do this failed to stop him when they had plenty of chances to. You have to find the root cause and guns are not it. Kids are not growing up "normally" as in the past. Many of them are not maturing until their twenties. There are many causes but nobody seems to be interested. Just ban guns! Kids are dying from committing suicide from being bullied on social media, drinking, taking drugs, etc. Why is there so much Gender dysphoria with the kids these days?

The above is not a talking point and was posted in my earlier thread. I'm for school security provided by properly trained law enforcement along with some of the gun control options being discussed - raise age limit on buying firearms to 21 or higher, extend background check waiting period, find and fix loopholes in mental health being reported.

Nothing will get solved until someone figures out why kids are doing this. Any form of gun control will ultimately fail to stop this behavior. Again, we have to find the root cause. Kids and young adults will find a way to circumvent access to guns e.g. - Austin bomber. You and the other gun control nutters don't understand this logic.

Did you know that Nikolas Cruz's birth mother was a drug addict. Do you think that had anything to do with his actions?
https://www.google.com/search?ei=PB...2.64.psy-ab..0.1.106...0j0i10k1.0.SI0cj3Zv6c0

How about him having ADHD, depression and autism and was obviously on some type of psychotropic Drugs. Do you think that had anything to do with his actions?
Lynda Cruz, his adoptive mother who died from pneumonia in November 2017, told mental health investigators in 2016 that her son suffered from ADHD, depression and autism but insisted he received his necessary medication as prescribed, according to the report.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-agency-investigate-nikolas-cruz-2016-n849221
 

UglyCasanova

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How about him having ADHD, depression and autism and was obviously on some type of psychotropic Drugs. Do you think that had anything to do with his actions?



I think that absolutely has something to do with his actions. We give out these drugs willy nilly but they’re powerful and turned kids into a bunch of drug riddled nutcases. Giving kids speed because someone says they have ADHD is nuts.

To your other point that they will always find some way to circumvent, I mean yeah maybe. But I think there’s those that wouldn’t go that extra mile either or that they wake up the next morning (still gun free) with a cooler head.

I don’t know what the answer is and with the mass school shootings I don’t think there is an answer, but knee jerk nor feel good reactions (rocks in the classrooms) are dumb, stoke fear, have little to no effect, and infringe on rights unnecessarily. So any gun control should be well thought out and effective. Only way to know if it is would be to study it.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Zero difference. The Nazi’s thought anything opposed to their regime was suffering opportunity opinions.

Lol there is no difference? Well then it makes sense why you don't get it.

Btw: I think you are a piece of shit and a scumbag and the cause of our current political problems.

Your opinion though, well, I just disagree with it and think you are wrong.


In your mind both statements are similar, right?

/facepalm
 

Lanyap

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I think that absolutely has something to do with his actions. We give out these drugs willy nilly but they’re powerful and turned kids into a bunch of drug riddled nutcases. Giving kids speed because someone says they have ADHD is nuts.

To your other point that they will always find some way to circumvent, I mean yeah maybe. But I think there’s those that wouldn’t go that extra mile either or that they wake up the next morning (still gun free) with a cooler head.

I don’t know what the answer is and with the mass school shootings I don’t think there is an answer, but knee jerk nor feel good reactions (rocks in the classrooms) are dumb, stoke fear, have little to no effect, and infringe on rights unnecessarily. So any gun control should be well thought out and effective. Only way to know if it is would be to study it.

ADHD, depression, extreme anxiety, aspergers, autism, etc. The plague on young people. I have experienced some of these first hand with a close family member and it takes a lot of time and effort to help transition them into the real world and succeed in life. It takes longer for them to mature and they don't deal well with the "real world".

Question for the posters here - how many young people do you know through family, friends, neighbors, co-workers, etc. that have these types of disorders and are taking psychotropic drugs? And for the older folks here, did you know kids with these disorders when you were growing up?

I don't think most of the people here or in the march want to study the issue. I have not seen a list of gun control demands from the protesters. They just demand tougher gun control. They need to articulate what they want.
 

sandorski

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... And for the older folks here, did you know kids with these disorders when you were growing up?

...

I didn't, but I also didn't know anyone who had been Abused. LGBT, or Disabled in some fashion either. All these people were not talked about, aka, hushed up issues. This is an issue of Medical advancement and Social Awareness.
 

Svnla

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Look at the odds, shall we? Those evil "assault" black guns thingies, sooooooooo dangerous, they are everywhereeeeeeeeee, must save the childreennnnnnnnnnnnn. The hell with heart attack, cancer, lung sickness, poisoning, motor vehicle accidents...them guns muuuuuussstttt gooooooooo -

/s


 
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feralkid

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I don’t know what the answer is and with the mass school shootings I don’t think there is an answer, but knee jerk nor feel good reactions (rocks in the classrooms) are dumb, stoke fear, have little to no effect, and infringe on rights unnecessarily. So any gun control should be well thought out and effective. Only way to know if it is would be to study it.


Don't forget hopes and prayers.
 
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zerocool84

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Look at the odds, shall we? Those evil "assault" black guns thingies, sooooooooo dangerous, they are everywhereeeeeeeeee, must save the childreennnnnnnnnnnnn -


But see that's why we need MORE guns. The only thing that can save us from gun violence is more guns!!! If the little boy that was playing video games with his sister had a gun, his sister wouldn't have shot him with a gun!!
 

Svnla

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But see that's why we need MORE guns. The only thing that can save us from gun violence is more guns!!! If the little boy that was playing video games with his sister had a gun, his sister wouldn't have shot him with a gun!!

Did you read that thread?

Obviously you didn't because if you did, you would be able to see this link from me that I posted in that thread -

  • Store guns so they are not accessible to unauthorized persons.
    Many factors must be considered when deciding where and how to store guns. A person's particular situation will be a major part of the consideration. Dozens of gun storage devices, as well as locking devices that attach directly to the gun, are available. However, mechanical locking devices, like the mechanical safeties built into guns, can fail and should not be used as a substitute for safe gun handling and the observance of all gun safety rules.
http://www.magtechammunition.com/resources/safety-university/nra-gun-safety/

Can't dispute the facts, spin baby spin.

Keep trolling with your ignorant. OMG, those evil guns, savvvvvvvvvvvveee them innocent childrreeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnn (never mind that those kids have much much higher odd of dying from choking on foods than by mass shooting).
 
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Look at the odds, shall we? Those evil "assault" black guns thingies, sooooooooo dangerous, they are everywhereeeeeeeeee, must save the childreennnnnnnnnnnnn -


And yet five or six spaces further down is foreign born terrorists. Apparently brown is the colour that makes righties piss in their pants.

But not like the admin is taking any extraordinary steps against them amiright?
 

Svnla

Lifer
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And yet five or six spaces further down is foreign born terrorists. Apparently brown is the colour that makes righties piss in their pants.

But not like the admin is taking any extraordinary steps against them amiright?

Feel free to poke fun at DT and his stance against foreign born terrorists.
 

vi edit

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And yet five or six spaces further down is foreign born terrorists. Apparently brown is the colour that makes righties piss in their pants.

But not like the admin is taking any extraordinary steps against them amiright?

Apparently so dangerous that we have to ban them!
 

feralkid

Lifer
Jan 28, 2002
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Look at the odds, shall we? Those evil "assault" black guns thingies, sooooooooo dangerous, they are everywhereeeeeeeeee, must save the childreennnnnnnnnnnnn. The hell with heart attack, lung sickeness, poisoning, motor vehicle accidents...them guns muuuuuussstttt gooooooooo -




Are you insane?
We spend massive resources trying to prevent all of those causes of death.

It's not like we have to choose fighting one or the other.
 

Commodus

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Look at the odds, shall we? Those evil "assault" black guns thingies, sooooooooo dangerous, they are everywhereeeeeeeeee, must save the childreennnnnnnnnnnnn -



Ah yes, the classic SlowSpyder Defense: pretend that every other cause of death in the known universe is more important than guns, and act as if no one is doing anything to combat the other problems.

Scientists worldwide have spent decades (arguably centuries) researching solutions to cancers and diseases. Meanwhile, the NRA pays politicians to ensure the CDC is banned from conducting research into gun violence. Companies are developing self-driving cars that could dramatically reduce vehicle fatalities; meanwhile, the NRA whines if you so much as hint about mandating gun safety tech. There are strict controls around cigarettes and drugs; the NRA throws a hissy fit if you so much as suggest that maybe teens shouldn't be allowed to buy lethal weapons.

And then there's the nature of those deaths. There's a huge difference between health-related deaths and killing someone. When someone eats an artery-clogging meal, they don't take out the 17 people around them. It's hard to avoid dying due to disease or cancer, because that's the very nature of existence... but death by gun is entirely avoidable and often hostile.
 

Svnla

Lifer
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Ah yes, the classic SlowSpyder Defense: pretend that every other cause of death in the known universe is more important than guns, and act as if no one is doing anything to combat the other problems.

Scientists worldwide have spent decades (arguably centuries) researching solutions to cancers and diseases. Meanwhile, the NRA pays politicians to ensure the CDC is banned from conducting research into gun violence. Companies are developing self-driving cars that could dramatically reduce vehicle fatalities; meanwhile, the NRA whines if you so much as hint about mandating gun safety tech. There are strict controls around cigarettes and drugs; the NRA throws a hissy fit if you so much as suggest that maybe teens shouldn't be allowed to buy lethal weapons.

And then there's the nature of those deaths. There's a huge difference between health-related deaths and killing someone. When someone eats an artery-clogging meal, they don't take out the 17 people around them. It's hard to avoid dying due to disease or cancer, because that's the very nature of existence... but death by gun is entirely avoidable and often hostile.

I am more into "let deal with the huge problems first before worrying about the little ones...maybe down the road".

A few posters said it already in this thread, why not doing something (such as studying the causes, total background check on all sales, no gun for unstable weirdos, and so on) before the knee jerk reaction.

Are you insane?
We spend massive resources trying to prevent all of those causes of death.

It's not like we have to choose fighting one or the other.

I was not being serious, just wanted to dramatized a bit, I edit and put the /s tag at the end.
 

Commodus

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I am more into "let deal with the huge problems first before worrying about the little ones...maybe down the road".

A few posters said it already in this thread, why not doing something (such as studying the causes and so on) before knee jerk reaction.

You'd have a better argument if Trump and the Republicans weren't gutting science programs, health care and safety regulations. You want to tackle health and vehicle safety issues? You still have to vote Democrat.

And besides, you do know that governments can multitask, right? That they don't have to drop everything to pass intelligent gun control laws? For that matter, it's ridiculous to suggest that we should do nothing less than cure cancer before we're 'allowed' to pass a semi-auto rifle ban.
 

Svnla

Lifer
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You'd have a better argument if Trump and the Republicans weren't gutting science programs and health care. You want to tackle health and vehicle safety issues? You still have to vote Democrat.

And besides, you do know that governments can multitask, right? That they don't have to drop everything to pass intelligent gun control laws? For that matter, it's ridiculous to suggest that we should do nothing less than cure cancer before we're 'allowed' to pass a semi-auto rifle ban.

Do you see me supporting DT and Republicans cuts on science and similar programs? Nope, nada, zip.

You want a ban (a semi-auto rifle ban in your own words)? I wish you luck and I mean it, no sarcastic at all.

I didn't say we should do nothing as you claimed. Suggestions from posters such as Lanyap would be a good start.
 
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Starbuck1975

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They got massive support from the left /progressives, not a little.
So what?

How do you propose to remove guns out of the equation? Ban and confiscate all guns?
By back programs, more restrictions on sales, closing of gun show loopholes, and more restrictive permitting and training for access to certain types of guns...something along the lines of what we do with vehicles.
 
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It cracks me up that so many people have to lie about the numbers to make them look impressive.

All the conservatives complaining about protesting kids, oh the horror. Just admit it the right sucks at rallys. In fact they suck at everything except running up the debt.

But sadly I think you all are suffering from rally size envy, RSE.

Mother of all rallies 1k

Women's march 500,000
March for Science 200,000
Kids against chetos march 800,00
This rally only had 200,000 people according to multiple estimates.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/march-...e-estimated-200000-people-attended-d-c-march/
200,000

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-many-people-attended-the-march-for-our-lives/ar-BBKG03H
lol, their estimate is "202,796" + or -

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-our-lives-crowd-smaller-than-expected-report
@200,000
 
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It cracks me up that so many people have to lie about the numbers to make them look impressive.


This rally only had 200,000 people according to multiple estimates.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/march-...e-estimated-200000-people-attended-d-c-march/
200,000

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-many-people-attended-the-march-for-our-lives/ar-BBKG03H
lol, their estimate is "202,796" + or -

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-our-lives-crowd-smaller-than-expected-report
@200,000
You realize they are all citing the same source right?
 

Bitek

Lifer
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Look at the odds, shall we? Those evil "assault" black guns thingies, sooooooooo dangerous, they are everywhereeeeeeeeee, must save the childreennnnnnnnnnnnn. The hell with heart attack, cancer, lung sickness, poisoning, motor vehicle accidents...them guns muuuuuussstttt gooooooooo -

/s



Your data actually contradicts your position.

Eliminate natural diseases of the elderly (heart disease, cancer, etc,) death by gunshot is frighteningly high @1/315

It's higher than dying as a passenger in a motor accident, or on a motorcycle. All too common deaths.

Whereas in Japan, the death rate is 1/12,700,000. Five orders of magnitude lower.

Nothing natural about gunshot deaths at all.
 
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