Come on, HomerJS, you're not dumb. It's been a month since the Parkland shootings and you didn't click my links earlier in the thread (pst #39) documenting the support from the extreme left.
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Really Father Paranoia? Students took to the airways the very next day. How did the gun hating billionaires and Hollywood elites manage to create this conspiracy, contact students and execute in 24 hours.
Your tin foil hat is getting too tight.
Gawd y’all throw that out all the time but can’t take it.
- gun buy back
- Education starting at an early age. Not sure how it would be structured, but unless we change the culture, nothing will change. I'm talking or assualt rifles or any weapon that has the ballistic capabilities of a military weapon. I look at the ads for the companies selling them and they are not aimed at hunters.
I don't have all the answers because if it was left to me, I'd limit the number of weapons an individual could own but I know that won't fly. But more guns have obviously not solved anything. Arguably, that mindset has made things worse.
There is no legal definition of what a weapon of war is.
That is the one of points for the marches.
See simple question, simple answer
Look at the gun manufacturers marketing arm.
Doesn't get much lower than this.
"https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...f39e4b0decad04ac4d4?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313
NRA TV host “Colion Noir”
"In another NRA TV clip posted Thursday, Noir had harangued the Parkland survivors, saying “no one would know your names” if someone with a gun had stopped the shooting at their school.
“These kids ought to be marching against their own hypocritical belief structures,” Noir said, adding: “The only reason we’ve ever heard of them is because the guns didn’t come soon enough.”
"https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...f39e4b0decad04ac4d4?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313
Fuck the gun manufacturers marketing arm.
Which groups and individuals do you consider "extreme?" If you say George Soros, your argument is automatically invalid... and something tells me that you think extreme left really means anyone who isn't right-wing.
Do you think the teens were somehow against or indifferent to the idea of gun control after seeing their friends killed with an AR-15, but were manipulated by progressive groups planting 'evil' concepts in their heads, like logic, compassion and a rejection of gun industry bribery?
There was still an outcry during the Obama administration. The difference, I'd say, was that having a Democratic President meant there was a powerful voice for reasonable gun control at the highest levels of power. In the Trump era, where the gun industry has a stranglehold on power, the public has the loudest voice.
And please don't trot out the "guns weren't the cause" crap. That's not what we're arguing. It's that certain kinds of guns enable violence on a large scale, and have no good uses for self-defense or hunting. The Parkland killer took 17 lives in the space of 6 minutes and 20 seconds. The Las Vegas shooter killed 58 people and injured hundreds more in the space of about 10 minutes. It's difficult to completely avoid mass shootings so long as guns are readily available, but there would be considerably more survivors of those incidents if the attackers had been forced to use handguns or bolt-action rifles.
I don't use "extreme" casually. To me, the extreme right means neo-Nazis, or those who enthusiastically support anti-democratic measures (see: the Trump supporters who cheered "lugenpresse" at mentions of CNN/NYT/etc. at rallies). Extreme left means full-on communism, or maybe anarcho syndicalist communes (as Noam Chomsky would call them). In a debate like this, it'd call for an absolute ban on gun ownership.
If this photo is accurate (not doctored), looks like far more than 200,000 to me...
Post #39.
Here's where the anti-gun movement falls over for me. If you don't know what you want to get rid of then why are you screaming? I keep seeing a ton of the AG screaming they want change but then don't say what it is other than get rid of the gun, or something related to the gun that doesn't matter much (except limited round magazines as we all know the 11 round is the one that kills you).
OK, how about far left.
OK, how about far left.
If you're going by ballistic capabilities, then you're pretty much calling for an outright ban. I'm not aware of any round that the military isn't using except maybe a .22. At the least the 9mm and the 45 are in active use in the various arm services. Those are the most popular handgun rounds. If you're meaning just rifle rounds, then I'm pretty sure it's all gone, except some really odd ball round that's not used for a reason.
Here's where the anti-gun movement falls over for me. If you don't know what you want to get rid of then why are you screaming? I keep seeing a ton of the AG screaming they want change but then don't say what it is other than get rid of the gun, or something related to the gun that doesn't matter much (except limited round magazines as we all know the 11 round is the one that kills you).
I still don't think that fits. Far left implies that Everytown and other groups are communists calling for complete gun bans, and they're not. You see the issue? It's not just the labeling you give these groups; it's that you're labeling them the way you do to try to delegitimize them, to pretend they're fringe groups corrupting the public rather than a reflection of a moderate, entirely rational and broadly held view that you just happen to disagree with.
Big deal, it's a poll. Now pass it and get it signed.Fox News poll from a couple of pages back is a good start:
100% background checks for all gun sales, no exemptions
21 to buy a gun
Ban stuff that has no purpose in hunting or home defense. Bump stocks & armor piercing rounds are good examples
How much more clear does it have to be?
You're quibbling over details and ignoring the overall point.
Big deal, it's a poll. Now pass it and get it signed.
Big deal, it's a poll. Now pass it and get it signed.
I thought the details was the point.. after all most of the AG keep saying "We're not trying to take all your guns away, we just want to create common sense gun laws.. blah blah blah". Unless you're saying you want an outright ban then the details are all that matter
Yes, we're going to quibble over the fucking details. We're talking about the further reduction of a Constitutional right affecting millions of law abiding citizens. Get ready with the details.You're quibbling over details and ignoring the overall point.
Not even pseudo socialists:
Supporting communist authoritarian Cuba:
Let me correct that for you.
You mean extreme left wing / progressive adults and organizations offered money and logistical support to help organize massive gun control protests using teenagers to further their agenda? And attended them as well?
Where was the massive protest after mass school shootings under the Obama administration?
Do you really think guns are the root cause of the mass school shootings?
It's that you're labeling them the way you do to try to delegitimize them, to pretend they're fringe groups corrupting the public rather than what they really are: a reflection of a moderate, entirely rational and broadly held view.