Massive Windows 10 News Hides 5 Nasty Surprises

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Executioner

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Yes, Microsoft admitted it not only logs its users time on Windows 10 but also their time using Microsoft Edge… and gaming… and streaming games… and counting your search queries… and every single time a user opens a photo.

Understandably perturbed by this BetaNews took Microsoft to task on these revelations and asked if it would like to “explain how it came about the information, and why it is being collected in the first place”. Microsoft’s official response: “Thank you for your patience as I looked into this for you. Unfortunately my colleagues cannot provide a comment regarding your request. All we have to share is this Windows blog post.”

To which BetaNews makes a very fair conclusion: “Microsoft’s spying is intrusive enough to reveal how long you have been using Windows 10, but the company is not willing to be open about the collection of this data.”

Consequently the next obvious point to ponder is: If Microsoft is happy to disclose this data without saying how it was attained, what else does it access and track without user knowledge? Given Microsoft already admits much of its automatic spying cannot to turned off, just how many more metrics and how much user data is it gathering from every Windows 10 device?

So there you have it. I do not trust MS, and I will not be using their OS unless they come clean on what they track.

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If they know what you're doing with it they may be able to optimize it better. I wonder if they can spot child porn remotely.
 

John Connor

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One big tracking engine. Luckily, most of those things can be disabled.


Did you even read the quote?

Given Microsoft already admits much of its automatic spying cannot to turned off...
You can try and use one of those Apps, or use an ITX computer with a firewall and block the outbound connections that call home to M$.
 

Magic Carpet

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Did you even read the quote?

You can try and use one of those Apps, or use an ITX computer with a firewall and block the outbound connections that call home to M$.
That's what I meant in fact. A bit of work, but can be done if you aren't willing to share with the big brother.
 

Rhonda the Sly

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If they know what you're doing with it they may be able to optimize it better. I wonder if they can spot child porn remotely.
If you upload it to OneDrive, yes. Microsoft, Google, Facebook, etc. will scan photos and report any CP to the authorities to avoid be considered complicit in some way.

They don't have the same legal issues with local content so I'm not sure why they'd bother, honestly.
 

JEDIYoda

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If you upload it to OneDrive, yes. Microsoft, Google, Facebook, etc. will scan photos and report any CP to the authorities to avoid be considered complicit in some way.

They don't have the same legal issues with local content so I'm not sure why they'd bother, honestly.

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Rhonda the Sly

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Most of this stuff is bog standard for reporting statistics. I'd like Microsoft to be more open about what they're collecting but the tech reporters need to do a better job of explaining what Microsoft is doing and why. The way it's being done now, where something that is entirely bog-standard is revealed in a dramatic headline and many people get upset isn't helping anyone.

I'd wager the analytics are much more extensive and they're looking at things like where the photo you're looking at is (OneDrive or the local disk), whether file operations like imports succeed and tallying what operations are being performed from what menus.
 
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Iron Woode

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if you are stupid enough to post child porn on facebook...you deserve what you get.
 

Rhonda the Sly

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Oh, piss.. while I didn't much bother to read the BetaNews article, I decided to read the first comment and... it's helpful!
So, does betanews.com utilize analytics on their website? Can you tell how long a user spent on each page, what pages they came from, what browser they use, what part of your interface they clicked to get to the next page?

Have you ever heard of app analytics?

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-mobile-analytics-package-to-track-in-app-user-behavior

It is common across all operating systems. In the case of MS, it is spelled out in their privacy statement under Windows 10 Telemetry and Error Reporting:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-u...

"App use data for apps that run on Windows (including Microsoft and third party apps), such as how frequently and for how long you use apps, which app features you use most often, how often you use Windows Help and Support, which services you use to sign into apps, and how many folders you typically create on your desktop."
How is this not full disclosure. Should MS call every person that is eligible for an upgrade and read their privacy statement to them? And where is the rage against all the other companies that produce software that gathers telemetry data?
 

Elixer

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You know, Steam collects data as well, they can tell you exactly how many hours you wasted, who is on your list, what you buy, what your CC info is, where you live, all your friends, and they even keep track of what you write in their forums, they have your network information, and all hardware details!
Uninstall immediately right?

Oh wait, this isn't MS, nevermind.

Yes, tracking sucks, and it has been going on for a long time.
Those of you who think win 7/8 don't also spill info about you, keep dreaming.
Apple does it, Samsung does it, LG does it, Toshiba does it, Steam, Origin, you name it, they all gather info.
The only way to avoid this crap is to disconnect your online activity.
 

mikeymikec

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I wouldn't be surprised if the tracking mentioned here was only to do with usage of online services (to which I'd respond "well, duh!"). Not that I think that MS has a conscience as clear as crystal, but it would surprise me if their telemetry systems went as far as "user viewed offline file x for y length of time", partly because it's hardly going to earn them any popularity points (esp. at a time when they want users to upgrade to Win10 for no good reason), but mainly because what would be the point in it full stop?

It would be one thing to note that users routinely have MS Edge open for x hours at a time, I can see that as being useful information when testing their software.
 

Ketchup

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Glad, he did. It's interesting information, regardless.

But it's old news. Article is from just a few days ago though. For those who don't follow these forums much, and other sites who reported this months ago, I suppose it could be new.

For the rest of us, it's just another thread about a topic that has been covered numerous times.
 

Mem

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I don't think you have anything to worry about unless you are one of those that live on the shady side of life ie have loads of illegal software on your PC and may be worried about "big brother finding out", I'm fine with this to be honest since all my software is 100% legit, I'm over 21 so can even visit porn sites if I like.

All that data they collect must take them ages to sieve through when you think how many Microsoft based PCs are out there.

I keep saying this but I would be more worried going into the real world with real spyware out there.

End of the day you have a choice on OS you use so don't see the big deal, always Linux distros out there if you are that paranoid, now please let me get on with my Win10 PC gaming .
 

Charlie98

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I wouldn't be surprised if the tracking mentioned here was only to do with usage of online services (to which I'd respond "well, duh!"). Not that I think that MS has a conscience as clear as crystal, but it would surprise me if their telemetry systems went as far as "user viewed offline file x for y length of time", partly because it's hardly going to earn them any popularity points (esp. at a time when they want users to upgrade to Win10 for no good reason), but mainly because what would be the point in it full stop?

It would be one thing to note that users routinely have MS Edge open for x hours at a time, I can see that as being useful information when testing their software.

The sheer amount of data they mine would preclude some guy sitting at a monitor saying 'MikeyMike is looking at X-site right now!' But data can be refined and sifted... and, as Elixer mentioned, pretty much everyone else does it. The problem is if they sell that data (or give, or it gets hacked) and it falls into evil hands. I don't really think MS 'cares' about their public perception, at least as far as data mining and W10 is concerned, they have engineered the upgrade process that probably 95% of the mainstream users (Ma and Pa Kettle at home) are automatically upgraded... and don't even know what data mining is.

The only way to avoid this crap is to disconnect your online activity.

My inlaws do NOTHING online except check their email and browse the internet. They do their taxes and accounting on a computer that is completely offline. I built their current online PC, and just loaded some pictures and stuff I thought they would want on it... she told me to delete the photos.
 

quikah

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Clicking that link connects to 42 third party sites. Why isn't Forbes being more transparent about what they are tracking?

TLDR, this is just another of the weekly Gordon Kelley MS scaremongering articles.
 

Rhonda the Sly

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Not that I think that MS has a conscience as clear as crystal, but it would surprise me if their telemetry systems went as far as "user viewed offline file x for y length of time", partly because it's hardly going to earn them any popularity points (esp. at a time when they want users to upgrade to Win10 for no good reason), but mainly because what would be the point in it full stop?
They hope to learn something about how people are using their products. Analytics is used alongside other methods (research, dog-fooding, user interviews) to determine what features people are using, how they are using them and subsequently what gets attention in the future.
 

13Gigatons

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The attitude of people is hilarious:

Your Operating System is spying on you: shrug

We listen too all your phone calls: shrug

We took naked pictures of your wife: shrug

We installed a camera in your house: shrug

We know what books you read: shrug

We track you when you drive: shrug


I'm always so embarrassed by Americans apathy towards liberty and privacy.


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quikah

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The attitude of people is hilarious:

Your Operating System is spying on you: shrug

We listen too all your phone calls: shrug

We took naked pictures of your wife: shrug

We installed a camera in your house: shrug

We know what books you read: shrug

We track you when you drive: shrug


I'm always so embarrassed by Americans apathy towards liberty and privacy.


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If any of those things actually happened you would have a point.
 
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