Matrix: help me understand this..

[Storm]

Originally posted by: Hubris
My take was that since it's a "virtual" world, you don't really die, but your brain believes it has and thus you do really die. But because Neo is Neo, he was able to overcome that and thus not die. He knows intimately that it is just a virtual, not real world, and so can decide what he wants to happen and what he doesn't.

My take on it is that the chosen one is able to see the virtual world of "The Matrix" as just a virtual world of information, 1s and 0s. By acknowledging its just a world of information, the chosen one is able to manipulate the world however he wants within certain boundaries. Therefore he can do more than the others like Trinity, Morpheus etc. It basically allows him to "put on GodMode in certain situations." Since the Matrix is alive and sentinent it's always looking for ways to shut his "GodMode" down or limit it as much as possible.

So it the case of getting shot, bleeding, dying etc. Its just information which he can manipulate. I have to agree the kissing part was lame.

 

[KingNothing]

Originally posted by: ergeorge

Originally posted by: KingNothing
I'm sorta wondering how they'll explain the fight scenes in Matrix 2 with Neo and whoever. I mean, if he's The One, why can't he just pull the same thing he did with the agents in Matrix 1 and explode them?

My guess is the matrix software was written by microsoft. We know that v1.0 failed & v2.0 is buggy, so I'm guessing that, in the new movie, they've patched the bug that let Neo do his trick and have upgraded to matrix v2.1 or maybe 3.0.

I would *so* love to hear Agent Smith relate that to the audience.

 

[DoNotDisturb]

Originally posted by: maladroit

Originally posted by: DoNotDisturb
ok.. he wasn't really the one. (NOT supposed to, wasn't destined to, according to the Oracle, and she's NEVER wrong)

HOWEVER, that lady told trinity that whoever she falls in loves with will BE the one.

SO, it changes the whole thing with Neo. After he dies , she admits she loves him. Since she falls in love with him, he BECOMES the one 'indirectly' and comes BACK to life.

The oracle only told him "what he needed to hear."

yes, that he wasn't going to be the one.

 

[A5]

Originally posted by: DoNotDisturb
ok.. he wasn't really the one. (NOT supposed to, wasn't destined to, according to the Oracle, and she's NEVER wrong)

HOWEVER, that lady told trinity that whoever she falls in loves with will BE the one.

SO, it changes the whole thing with Neo. After he dies , she admits she loves him. Since she falls in love with him, he BECOMES the one 'indirectly' and comes BACK to life.

Do you remember what Morpheus said right after that? He said that "She told you exactly what you needed to hear." In this case, Neo has to believe that he isn't the One to become the One.

 

[DoNotDisturb]

yes, morpheus also says that she is never wrong.

he wasn't the one..

what made him "the one" is because TRINITY made him so. The oracle told trinity that she would fall in love with a "dead" man (this in this case Neo) and whomever that may be will BE the one. THAT IS WHY he BECAME THE ONE. listen EVERYTHING they say in the movie. it makes sense, unlike all these 1s and 0s i'm reading on.

 

[acidvoodoo]

Originally posted by: Dudd
Damn, I have to watch the Matrix again. I've seen it before, but I can't for the life of me remember what you are talking about.

 

[nord1899]

Originally posted by: MichaelD

Originally posted by: MacBaine
Don't think too hard about it.

Yeah, wurd. Just keep playing the fight scenes over and over and just say to yourself: "Dude."

"Whoa"

 

[Storm]

Originally posted by: DoNotDisturb
yes, morpheus also says that she is never wrong.

he wasn't the one..

what made him "the one" is because TRINITY made him so. The oracle told trinity that he would fall in love with a "dead" man (this in this case Neo) and whomever that may be will BE the one. THAT IS WHY he BECAME THE ONE. listen EVERYTHING they say in the movie. it makes sense, unlike all these 1s and 0s i'm reading on.

I think thats a good point... Now if Trinity dies can Neo be unmade as The One?

 

[DoNotDisturb]

well i dont think u can really reason lol for that movie. thats just how the movie plot is, its not vague like memento.

 

[DoNotDisturb]

Originally posted by: Storm

Originally posted by: DoNotDisturb
yes, morpheus also says that she is never wrong.

he wasn't the one..

what made him "the one" is because TRINITY made him so. The oracle told trinity that he would fall in love with a "dead" man (this in this case Neo) and whomever that may be will BE the one. THAT IS WHY he BECAME THE ONE. listen EVERYTHING they say in the movie. it makes sense, unlike all these 1s and 0s i'm reading on.

I think thats a good point... Now if Trinity dies can Neo be unmade as The One?

BUT, you can use physic reasoning. Once something is created, even if you were to go back in time, it cannot be destroyed, what has happened will stay that way, so using real life reasoning, he SHOULD stay as 'the one'... but its a movie, dont want to get too carried away now

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: DoNotDisturb
ok.. he wasn't really the one. (NOT supposed to, wasn't destined to, according to the Oracle, and she's NEVER wrong)

HOWEVER, that lady told trinity that whoever she falls in loves with will BE the one.

SO, it changes the whole thing with Neo. After he dies , she admits she loves him. Since she falls in love with him, he BECOMES the one 'indirectly' and comes BACK to life.

Do you remember what Morpheus said right after that? He said that "She told you exactly what you needed to hear." In this case, Neo has to believe that he isn't the One to become the One.

yeah...and i thought she was more of a guide (i think that's mentioned in the movie)....if Neo knew he was the One, then he wouldn't have been inclined to go back and save Morpheous...cuz Neo thought Morpheus was risking his life to save Neo, thinking Neo was the one....but Neo was told by the oracle that he ain't the one....so he had to go back in to save Morpheus so he wouldn't die in vain....but when he went back in...he became the one......

 

[DoNotDisturb]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: DoNotDisturb
ok.. he wasn't really the one. (NOT supposed to, wasn't destined to, according to the Oracle, and she's NEVER wrong)

HOWEVER, that lady told trinity that whoever she falls in loves with will BE the one.

SO, it changes the whole thing with Neo. After he dies , she admits she loves him. Since she falls in love with him, he BECOMES the one 'indirectly' and comes BACK to life.

Do you remember what Morpheus said right after that? He said that "She told you exactly what you needed to hear." In this case, Neo has to believe that he isn't the One to become the One.

yeah...and i thought she was more of a guide (i think that's mentioned in the movie)....if Neo knew he was the One, then he wouldn't have been inclined to go back and save Morpheous...cuz Neo thought Morpheus was risking his life to save Neo, thinking Neo was the one....but Neo was told by the oracle that he ain't the one....so he had to go back in to save Morpheus so he wouldn't die in vain....but when he went back in...he became the one......

ok.. if u left out the whole trinity thing, then whatever she said in the end of the movie is pointless, it is what she said that explains why he turned into 'the one'.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: DoNotDisturb

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: A5

Originally posted by: DoNotDisturb
ok.. he wasn't really the one. (NOT supposed to, wasn't destined to, according to the Oracle, and she's NEVER wrong)

HOWEVER, that lady told trinity that whoever she falls in loves with will BE the one.

SO, it changes the whole thing with Neo. After he dies , she admits she loves him. Since she falls in love with him, he BECOMES the one 'indirectly' and comes BACK to life.

Do you remember what Morpheus said right after that? He said that "She told you exactly what you needed to hear." In this case, Neo has to believe that he isn't the One to become the One.

yeah...and i thought she was more of a guide (i think that's mentioned in the movie)....if Neo knew he was the One, then he wouldn't have been inclined to go back and save Morpheous...cuz Neo thought Morpheus was risking his life to save Neo, thinking Neo was the one....but Neo was told by the oracle that he ain't the one....so he had to go back in to save Morpheus so he wouldn't die in vain....but when he went back in...he became the one......

ok.. if u left out the whole trinity thing, then whatever she said in the end of the movie is pointless, it is what she said that explains why he turned into 'the one'.

u do have good points...but i think everything intertwined together...almost like fate....he had to go back in so trinity can say he loves him so he can be the one...so essentially, yeah .......incredible creativity kudos for the walshhickishtishksldchi (sp!??!) bros

 

[DoNotDisturb]

bah, memento was more of a mind-boggler

 

[XZeroII]

Neo always was "the one", but he just didn't believe it himself. He needed to actually prove it to himself. Morpheus kept saying that Neo is the one, but Neo didn't believe it. If the oracle had said that Neo is the one, Neo would have been overwhelmed and felt a terrible burden. He had to discover it for himself and that is what happened. He was shot, then Trinity kissed him and it all kinda clicked. Neo may have still been semi-conscious or something and just knew then that he was actually the one.

 

[BennyD]

Originally posted by: ergeorge

Originally posted by: KingNothing
I'm sorta wondering how they'll explain the fight scenes in Matrix 2 with Neo and whoever. I mean, if he's The One, why can't he just pull the same thing he did with the agents in Matrix 1 and explode them?

My guess is the matrix software was written by microsoft. We know that v1.0 failed & v2.0 is buggy, so I'm guessing that, in the new movie, they've patched the bug that let Neo do his trick and have upgraded to matrix v2.1 or maybe 3.0.

there is no Agent Smith in the matrix reloaded, he was destroyed in the first film.

he has now been replaced with new improved Agent Smith 2.0, a self replicating agent.

my guess is that either:

a. he has been upgraded to stop neo using the explodey trick on him or...

b. as he is self replicating, there are too many of them explodey as it takes a couple of seconds, by then there could be another 12 of them.

 

[DoNotDisturb]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Neo always was "the one", but he just didn't believe it himself. He needed to actually prove it to himself. Morpheus kept saying that Neo is the one, but Neo didn't believe it. If the oracle had said that Neo is the one, Neo would have been overwhelmed and felt a terrible burden. He had to discover it for himself and that is what happened. He was shot, then Trinity kissed him and it all kinda clicked. Neo may have still been semi-conscious or something and just knew then that he was actually the one.

that was my first conclusion... its actually what most people believe so, but they do not really understand the movie enough, just keep watching it, u'll understand why my statement above would make a whole lot of sense.

 

[Gaard]

The Oracle told Trinity that she would fall in love, and the man that she loved would be the one. (Scene 36 )

 

[blurredvision]

My take is that he actually never 'became' the One, he always was the One. Just because the Oracle told Trinity that she would fall in love with the One, that didn't make Neo the One. That was just her desitiny.

The Oracle didn't make anything happen, she just laid the plans for it to work. Neo was the One, the Oracle knew this. Trinity would fall in love with him, the Oracle new this. She told Trinity she would fall in love with a dead man. This made Trinity realize Neo was the One, and in turn, Neo also realized he was the One, and allowed him to look past the 'layer' the Matrix puts up, and see it for what it really was. This allowed him to awake, once he realized he wasn't actually dead in the real world.

My opinions, of course.

 

[Storm]

Originally posted by: DoNotDisturb

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Neo always was "the one", but he just didn't believe it himself. He needed to actually prove it to himself. Morpheus kept saying that Neo is the one, but Neo didn't believe it. If the oracle had said that Neo is the one, Neo would have been overwhelmed and felt a terrible burden. He had to discover it for himself and that is what happened. He was shot, then Trinity kissed him and it all kinda clicked. Neo may have still been semi-conscious or something and just knew then that he was actually the one.

that was my first conclusion... its actually what most people believe so, but they do not really understand the movie enough, just keep watching it, u'll understand why my statement above would make a whole lot of sense.

I agree but I still think the kissing = a little cheesy with the whatchamacallits opening the ship and causing the nice lighting effects

 

[BennyD]

Originally posted by: WoodchuckCharlie
My take is that he actually never 'became' the One, he always was the One. Just because the Oracle told Trinity that she would fall in love with the One, that didn't make Neo the One. That was just her desitiny.

The Oracle didn't make anything happen, she just laid the plans for it to work. Neo was the One, the Oracle knew this. Trinity would fall in love with him, the Oracle new this. She told Trinity she would fall in love with a dead man. This made Trinity realize Neo was the One, and in turn, Neo also realized he was the One, and allowed him to look past the 'layer' the Matrix puts up, and see it for what it really was. This allowed him to awake, once he realized he wasn't actually dead in the real world.

My opinions, of course.

yeah, he was always the one, he just needed motivation

 

[DoNotDisturb]

Originally posted by: Gaard
The Oracle told Trinity that she would fall in love, and the man that she loved would be the one. (Scene 36 )

on the ball. the oracle didn't 'lay plans' but knew what was true, refer to all the stuff morpheus said about this 'oracle' before he actually met her. she KNOWS, and knew he wasn't it. it was trinity that changed everything.. that is probably why she plays a crucial role in the next matrix movies.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: DoNotDisturb

Originally posted by: XZeroII
Neo always was "the one", but he just didn't believe it himself. He needed to actually prove it to himself. Morpheus kept saying that Neo is the one, but Neo didn't believe it. If the oracle had said that Neo is the one, Neo would have been overwhelmed and felt a terrible burden. He had to discover it for himself and that is what happened. He was shot, then Trinity kissed him and it all kinda clicked. Neo may have still been semi-conscious or something and just knew then that he was actually the one.

that was my first conclusion... its actually what most people believe so, but they do not really understand the movie enough, just keep watching it, u'll understand why my statement above would make a whole lot of sense.

Just for the record, I do not agree with your look at it, DoNotDisturb. This movie has so many underlying messages, that you explanation is just too shallow. No offense, though. I just beleive it's a little more complicated than that. The Wachowski Brothers have crafted one of the most consistant story lines I've ever seen, and your opinion just doesn't cut it for me.

 

[DoNotDisturb]

oook, thats your opinion, but i stand behind mine, it takes care of everything actually seen in the movie. he 'could' have been the one like what you guys are saying, but if thats how you people reason it, then it makes some parts in the movie pretty pointless. mine is pretty consistent imo.

 

[Storm]

Originally posted by: DoNotDisturb

oook, thats your opinion, but i stand behind mine, it takes care of everything actually seen in the movie. he 'could' have been the one like what you guys are saying, but if thats how you people reason it, then it makes some parts in the movie pretty pointless. mine is pretty consistent imo.

What parts? I honestly think both you and Woodchuck Charlie have good takes on the movie albiet different ones.