Matt Lauer Fired for Sex...

bshole

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Ha, I got it in first...


NBC has fired its leading morning news anchor Matt Lauer over a sexual harassment allegation, the network’s president for news said in a memo to staff on Wednesday.

“On Monday night, we received a detailed complaint from a colleague about inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace by Matt Lauer,” Andrew Lack, the NBC News president, said in the memo.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/29/business/media/nbc-matt-lauer.html
 

brycejones

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And Trump manages to make it about his war on legitimate news outlets.

After the Muslim videos we need to change the meteic for trump to minutes without being a national embarrassment.
 
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Thebobo

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No doubt men can be pigs but women can be vindictive cvnts as well and it's easy for anyone to claim a pat on the back was sexual in nature and ruin another person's life.
 
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fskimospy

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You've managed to take out just about everyone EXCEPT the person you were aiming for.

Who cares? If they did bad things it’s a positive good for it to come out regardless of whether or not Trump or Moore are ousted.

This is what having principles is all about. Something isn’t simply good or bad based on whether it has the political outcome you want.
 

Starbuck1975

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Who cares? If they did bad things it’s a positive good for it to come out regardless of whether or not Trump or Moore are ousted.

This is what having principles is all about. Something isn’t simply good or bad based on whether it has the political outcome you want.
No, this is the danger of trying to take someone out politically based off allegations.
 

fskimospy

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No, this is the danger of trying to take someone out politically based off allegations.

If you think stories from six different people (I think, I’ve lost count), backed up by thirty others are mere ‘allegations’ then you’ve lost your mind.

Moore should be ‘taken out’ politically because to any rational and objective observer he’s very likely guilty of serious offenses. It’s a positive moral good to attack him on this regardless of whether he wins or not. We are just talking about basic human decency at this point.
 
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Starbuck1975

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If you think stories from six different people (I think, I’ve lost count), backed up by thirty others are mere ‘allegations’ then you’ve lost your mind.

Moore should be ‘taken out’ politically because to any rational and objective observer he’s very likely guilty of serious offenses. It’s a positive moral good to attack him on this regardless of whether he wins or not. We are just talking about basic human decency at this point.
Outside of a court of law, everything you posted is irrelevant.

If we are going to hold people accountable based off allegations, then we might as well just throw the notion of due process out the window.
 

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No doubt men can be pigs but women can be vindictive cvnts as well and it's easy for one to claim a pat on the back was sexual in nature to ruin another person's life.

That happens and I know of one man who was ruined by the accusation of sexual abuse of a high school male student. He attempted suicide, but fortunately lived. Afterwards, it came out that the student was angry about having to do some exercise or other and made it up, but the accusation marks one forever regardless of truth.

That is why responsible agencies verify before accusing. WaPo impressed many of us for doing just that and IMO should be seen as the standard for approaching such reported claims.
 

fskimospy

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Outside of a court of law, everything you posted is irrelevant.

If we are going to hold people accountable based off allegations, then we might as well just throw the notion of due process out the window.

You are seriously attempting to argue that we should only use evidence that has been adjudicated in a court of law in our decisions on who to vote for? Why on earth would any sane person apply this standard? Due process applies only to whether or not the government can deprive you of liberty or property. It has literally nothing to do with who you vote for, nor should it.

Stop and think how insane the world would be if we didn’t exercise independent judgment and waited for the courts to tell us what to believe on everything. A rational person evaluates the available facts and comes to a conclusion on the most likely thing that occurred. Six separate accusers, physical evidence, and 30 corroborating witnesses is about as airtight a case as you’re likely to ever see. I’m quite certain you’ve accepted many things in your life on far less evidence.
 
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Starbuck1975

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You are seriously attempting to argue that we should only use evidence that has been adjudicated in a court of law in our decisions on who to vote for? Why on earth would any sane person apply this standard? Due process applies only to whether or not the government can deprive you of liberty or property. It has literally nothing to do with who you vote for, nor should it.

Stop and think how insane the world would be if we didn’t exercise independent judgment and waited for the courts to tell us what to believe on everything. A rational person evaluates the available facts and comes to a conclusion on the most likely thing that occurred. Six separate accusers, physical evidence, and 30 corroborating witnesses is about as airtight a case as you’re likely to ever see. I’m quite certain you’ve accepted many things in your life on far less evidence.
What I do know is that this line of reasoning deflected off Trump and apparently will for Moore as well, but will cause political damage for people like Franken.

You are rationalizing something that is inherently irrational.
 

fskimospy

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What I do know is that this line of reasoning deflected off Trump and apparently will for Moore as well, but will cause political damage for people like Franken.

You are rationalizing something that is inherently irrational.

I certainly can’t control if other people are unprincipled enough that this doesn’t matter to them.

If we operate on the idea that we should ignore serious sex crimes committed by Republican candidates for office because liberals who have also engaged in misconduct might be outed as well then we are no better than the unprincipled people who voted (or will vote) for Trump and Moore. The answer isn’t to become as shitty as they are.
 

Starbuck1975

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I certainly can’t control if other people are unprincipled enough that this doesn’t matter to them.

If we operate on the idea that we should ignore serious sex crimes committed by Republican candidates for office because liberals who have also engaged in misconduct might be outed as well then we are no better than the unprincipled people who voted (or will vote) for Trump and Moore. The answer isn’t to become as shitty as they are.
So Franken should resign?
 

1prophet

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Who cares? If they did bad things it’s a positive good for it to come out regardless of whether or not Trump or Moore are ousted.

This is what having principles is all about. Something isn’t simply good or bad based on whether it has the political outcome you want.

This has nothing to do with principles, it's the blow back that liberal/democrats are experiencing from painting themselves in a corner by being the defacto champion of women's rights all these years and now it comes out how they were looking the other way when high powered democrat fundraisers like Weinstein were ejaculating in potted plants while holding women hostage to their sexual perversions for decades,

This is no different than the conservative/republicans tripping all over their so called family/religious/marriage values they preach to the world and try to legislate into law while cheating on their wives or having a gay affair with some boy in a hotel or chasing jail bait in the Alabama shopping malls.
 

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Outside of a court of law, everything you posted is irrelevant.

If we are going to hold people accountable based off allegations, then we might as well just throw the notion of due process out the window.

That's such bullshit. Due process is for courts of law. We are not holding these people criminally or civilly liable. The whole notion of smaller government rests on the public holding other members of the public accountable by way of their votes, their dollars, their protests, etc. That is exactly what the public needs to be doing more.
 
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So NBC says one complaint. First in 20 years. But fire him in less than 24 hours. Not buying it. They had to have known more. Much more.

Unless Lauer copped to it and more immediately.
 

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Outside of a court of law, everything you posted is irrelevant.

If we are going to hold people accountable based off allegations, then we might as well just throw the notion of due process out the window.

I would think that basically every one of these organizations that housed a predator was already aware of an unsubstantiated open secret about each and every person, Lauer included. All they really required then was an actual victim to issue a complaint.

I'm kind of curious if there is any sort of civil suit angle of more recent victims in say, the Weinstein case, to actually sue the earlier victims for failing to report. I know there is criminal liability on mandatory reporters for certain types of abuse, but civil cases duty is much broader.
 

Atreus21

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You are seriously attempting to argue that we should only use evidence that has been adjudicated in a court of law in our decisions on who to vote for? Why on earth would any sane person apply this standard? Due process applies only to whether or not the government can deprive you of liberty or property. It has literally nothing to do with who you vote for, nor should it.

Stop and think how insane the world would be if we didn’t exercise independent judgment and waited for the courts to tell us what to believe on everything. A rational person evaluates the available facts and comes to a conclusion on the most likely thing that occurred. Six separate accusers, physical evidence, and 30 corroborating witnesses is about as airtight a case as you’re likely to ever see. I’m quite certain you’ve accepted many things in your life on far less evidence.

I don't excuse men who act like pigs and dogs, but I can't help but be a little apprehensive of the power of an accusation. Is there no middle-ground between believing the accusation as wholly true and waiting for the justice system to sort it out?

I guess the answer is that we're not just taking the accusations at face value. The WaPo, to its credit, certainly didn't in James O'Keefe's attempted sting.

I’m ambivalent about that. He’s certainly accused of inappropriate behavior but it’s nothing even remotely as bad as Moore, who molested a child.

In the abstract though, if Roy Moore had never been accused, should Franken resign?
 

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I’m ambivalent about that. He’s certainly accused of inappropriate behavior but it’s nothing even remotely as bad as Moore, who molested a child.


At this point in time I don't think Franken should do anything. There have been accusations which have been refuted by Arianna Huffington and I think the women can speak for themselves. Franken called for an ethics investigation straight off while Trump apparently altered his reality once again such that what he admitted as real commentary caught on film, the infamous "pussy" comment is not a fraud. Moore has been shown to be the despicable pedophile fraud that he is and so I don't see everything in black in white. Now if it were to come out in the investigation that Franken was another Trump or Moore? Then the question of what to do is settled with removal.
 
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