Mavericks fixes one full screen problem, but only to introduce new problems.

[Eug]

See here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mi6AhogZCeg

Mavericks fixes the full screen issue, but then introduces new problems. Mind you, he has 6 screens, so problems get magnified in his setup. I suspect for most of us with 2 screens, it will work well. Even the future Mac Pro will only do 3 screens so not hugely more complex, but I could see some annoyances on 3 screens.

 

[ViRGE]

For someone who can't watch the video at work, what problems did it fix and introduce?

 

[TheStu]

See here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mi6AhogZCeg

Mavericks fixes the full screen issue, but then introduces new problems. Mind you, he has 6 screens, so problems get magnified in his setup. I suspect for most of us with 2 screens, it will work well. Even the future Mac Pro will only do 3 screens so not hugely more complex, but I could see some annoyances on 3 screens.

The new Mac Pro will drive up to 3 4K displays, but there's no reason why it couldn't drive the 6 1080p/1440p displays that the 3 TB chipsets will handle.

 

[TheStu]

Besides, it is still in beta, they may end up fixing both of these issues. Or at least the switch all spaces at once thing.

 

[joshhedge]

The guy seemed a bit pedantic, fixes multi window productivity but can no longer have a multi monitor wallpaper, what a shame.

 

[TheStu]

The guy seemed a bit pedantic, fixes multi window productivity but can no longer have a multi monitor wallpaper, what a shame.

I could see that as being an annoyance worth mentioning. Though I wonder if Mavericks will allow for bezel correction like AMD Eyefinity (and nVidia?).

 

[joshhedge]

I could see that as being an annoyance worth mentioning. Though I wonder if Mavericks will allow for bezel correction like AMD Eyefinity (and nVidia?).

Granted, but I feel the pro's significantly outweigh the con's, really looking forward to this update.

Never used bezel correction, how does it work?

 

[TheStu]

Granted, but I feel the pro's significantly outweigh the con's, really looking forward to this update.

Never used bezel correction, how does it work?

It corrects for the bezels /smartass

It's a utility that puts a triangle up on your screen and you line up the triangle as it would look if you just overlaid it on your screen. So think of it like this, let's say you have 2 monitors, and there's 1" of bezel between them. If you have a 6" wide image, traditionally there would be 3" of image on each screen if it was centered on the bezel.

However, in gaming that sort of thing causes problems, so with bezel correction, you would instead have 2.5" of the image on either side of the bezel, and the bezel 'covers' the remainder of the image. That way it is more like looking out a window, your brains acknowledges the window frames.

 

[Eug]

For someone who can't watch the video at work, what problems did it fix and introduce?

I'm not going to go through the new issues he mentions, because there are several and they're better explained by the video. However, I do not think most of them would be much of an issue on a 2-screen setup.

However, the extremely annoying problem it did fix is the current problem where if you go to full screen mode in an app, it goes full screen in the main screen, and then blacks out all other screens rendering them useless. It's really, really stupid, and one of the reasons I just got rid of my two screen setup for the time being. Right now I have a 27" iMac and a 24" Windows machine side by side.

 

[Tegeril]

How about we wait until it's past its first beta release and closer to launch in ~3 months to see if things change before declaring these things like they aren't going to change.

 

[Eug]

Heh. That's what people said about the full screen issue of Lion & Mountain Lion, but we all know how that went.

 

[TheStu]

Heh. That's what people said about the full screen issue of Lion & Mountain Lion, but we all know how that went.

Touche. 2 steps forward...

 

[Rakehellion]

See here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Mi6AhogZCeg

Mavericks fixes the full screen issue, but then introduces new problems. Mind you, he has 6 screens, so problems get magnified in his setup. I suspect for most of us with 2 screens, it will work well. Even the future Mac Pro will only do 3 screens so not hugely more complex, but I could see some annoyances on 3 screens.

He's complaining about bugs in unreleased software. This is why NDAs exist.

 

[joshhedge]

He's complaining about bugs in unreleased software. This is why NDAs exist.

Looking positively, if people make enough noise Apple might listen.

 

[BuCkDoG]

I just got a chance to take a look at the video and I see what everyone is talking about. Hopefully this is only a minor issue and can be patched up. I personally don't use multiple displays, but I do feel that this is a annoyance.

 

[Pia]

It's obvious Apple has no idea what to do about multiple displays, virtual desktops or fullscreening apps. Every OS version they just randomly pick an entirely different bad way of changing up window management. The odds of them getting things right this time are not good.

If they want to seriously fix things, the very first thing they should do is allow disabling the fullscreen and screen switching animations entirely, making the transitions instant. Then stop treating fullscreen apps as virtual desktops, which breaks a lot of normal navigation like cmd-tab and makes it unpredictable.

 

[Wonderful Pork]

He's complaining about bugs in unreleased software. This is why NDAs exist.

I don't think this is a bug, its a specific way that Apple chose to deal with full screen apps.

This guy's issue is that if he has one program open over multiple monitors (like Photoshop and its pallets for example) and changes spaces it doesn't automatically change all the spaces at once (so its 6 different spaces instead of 1 space over 6 monitors). Apple did this so they can have each full screen app take up its own space and be changed independently. There is a setting where you can have it work the old way if you want, but I believe that blanks out the other screen(s) for full screen apps.

I'm not sure the best way to handle this - I'm on W7 at work and it doesn't have "full screen" apps, so multi-monitor is much simpler, esp with UltraMon or DisplayFusion. Then again, it doesn't have spaces either so they don't have to worry about that either.

 

[Eug]

I think the issue here is that Apple still hasn't figured out a way to make full-screen apps and Spaces behave nicely as one neat package on multiple screens. In previous OSes, they just decided to ignore the issue altogether, and just tell people to suck it, and blanked out non-main screen when going full-screen on the main screen. Hell, I couldn't even watch a video full screen and surf on the same time.

In Mavericks they've decided to address it, but they've done so in a pretty rudimentary way it seems. Hopefully they can add some features and/or settings to it in future betas, but I'm not optimistic. I'm thinking we'll get a more well thought out version in 10.10 (11?).

But again, that said, I think for most people it's not going to be a ginormous issue, and it's still a major improvement over prior OSes. While not perfect, dual-screen I'm guessing should be OK, and even triple screen (Mac Pro) is going to be more annoying but still manageable. (However, it will still be annoying to some people.)

In fact, that's another reason why I'm guessing that the current implementation is likely going to be close to the shipping version. They're not targeting people with a bazillion screens. Hell, I'd say most of the coders and beta testers have two or perhaps only 1 screen, with only occasional ones with 3 screens, so it's not even on their radar.