May the Circle-jerk begin: Better gamers are smarter

Dari

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http://www.physorg.com/news183203415.html

Researchers can predict your performance on a video game simply by measuring the volume of specific structures in your brain, a multi-institutional team reports this week.

The new study, in the journal Cerebral Cortex, found that nearly a quarter of the variability in achievement seen among men and women trained on a new video game could be predicted by measuring the volume of three structures in their brains.

The study adds to the evidence that specific parts of the striatum, a collection of distinctive tissues tucked deep inside the cerebral cortex, profoundly influence a person's ability to refine his or her motor skills, learn new procedures, develop useful strategies and adapt to a quickly changing environment.

"This is the first time that we've been able to take a real world task like a video game and show that the size of specific brain regions is predictive of performance and learning rates on this video game," said Kirk Erickson, a professor of psychology at the University of Pittsburgh and first author on the study. Ann Graybiel, an Institute Professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Investigator in the McGovern Institute for Brain Research; and Arthur Kramer, a professor of psychology at the Beckman Institute for Advanced Science and Technology at the University of Illinois, were co-principal investigators on the study. Walter Boot, of Florida State University, also contributed to the research...
 

dguy6789

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That's not really surprising. Saying better gamers are smarter is like saying better athletes are in better physical shape. Games is to the mind what sports is to the body.
 

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I lost interest halfway through the article, but did it actually say better gamers are smarter? It seemed to just be saying that the physical size of a particular area of your brain could predict your gaming abilities. I didn't see that tied to intelligence.

I tend to do well in multiplayer but not so well in single-player. I rarely attempt games on anything higher than the default difficulty level, because it just frustrates me. Not sure what that says about me.
 

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That's not really surprising. Saying better gamers are smarter is like saying better athletes are in better physical shape. Games is to the mind what sports is to the body.

No... not all games are good for your mind. Actually, most games aren't good for your mind past reflexes and such.
 

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There are a lot of retarded pot heads who own me in FPS games. I'd like to think I have the mental capacity greater than a dead animal at least. Or is everyone on XBox Live some kind of savant?
 

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No... not all games are good for your mind. Actually, most games aren't good for your mind past reflexes and such.

Agreed.

There are a lot of retarded pot heads who own me in FPS games. I'd like to think I have the mental capacity greater than a dead animal at least. Or is everyone on XBox Live some kind of savant?

Intelligence is merely a measurement of potential, how quick someone can learn or pick up on some concept. It doesn't mean they are a good person, a nice person, a respectable person, nor does it mean they ever took advantage of their gift.
 
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everyone has about the same potential to be good at a game, barring any real mental disability. my experiences have always been that whoever plays the game more is going to be better at it- has nothing to do with 'smarter.'

this is like saying a 'smart' person can pick up a musical instrument faster, and that's just not true.
 

gorcorps

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everyone has about the same potential to be good at a game, barring any real mental disability. my experiences have always been that whoever plays the game more is going to be better at it- has nothing to do with 'smarter.'

this is like saying a 'smart' person can pick up a musical instrument faster, and that's just not true.

That last part is sooo wrong. There are certain people that think musically and pick it up much quicker.
 

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Agreed.
Intelligence is merely a measurement of potential, how quick someone can learn or pick up on some concept. It doesn't mean they are a good person, a nice person, a respectable person, nor does it mean they ever took advantage of their gift.

The smartest guy I knew had an IQ that was off the charts (180+, measured by an official IQ test). Unfortunately he was also the most apathetic person I knew. He almost flunked out of high school, never went to college, and is now a cook at Red Lobster.

IQ is but a fraction of the puzzle.

I tend to do well in multiplayer but not so well in single-player. I rarely attempt games on anything higher than the default difficulty level, because it just frustrates me. Not sure what that says about me.

It says you can't handle losing. Or it says you just want to play games for fun. Take your pick.
 
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mindcycle

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I think the OP misread this article as the title of this thread is deceiving. The original title is "Video gamers: Size of brain structures predicts success".

The study analyzed different regions of the brain in test subjects to determine their success rate in a specific video game (some sort of asteroids clone). The study concluded that gamers with a larger brain mass in the specific regions they were looking at were typically better at the game. It was not about how better gamers are smarter.

I'm surprised no one actually took the time to read through it. Took me all of 30 seconds.. lol

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everyone has about the same potential to be good at a game, barring any real mental disability. my experiences have always been that whoever plays the game more is going to be better at it- has nothing to do with 'smarter.'

this is like saying a 'smart' person can pick up a musical instrument faster, and that's just not true.

Neither part is entirely true. A game that relies on twitch reflex might not be as geared toward who is smarter, but complex puzzle games and games that require thinking can be tipped quite favorably to the more intelligent person. The same can be said with instruments. The intelligence quotient, IQ, measures who well the person can learn and adapt that knowledge. Learning to play an instrument (actually learning it, not having some guy teach you to play guitar) takes quite a bit of dedication and intelligence.
 

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That last part is sooo wrong. There are certain people that think musically and pick it up much quicker.

but does that make them 'smarter' (again with the quotes since this is so hard to define) or simply more musically inclined?

i don't think someone is neccessarily a math whiz or a literary genius just because they can pick up the piano quick or kick ass at lode runner.
 

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but does that make them 'smarter' (again with the quotes since this is so hard to define) or simply more musically inclined?

i don't think someone is neccessarily a math whiz or a literary genius just because they can pick up the piano quick or kick ass at lode runner.

As far as I can tell, all this article says is that some people are more inclined to do well at video games. They aren't necessarily smarter, I think Dari assumed that's what it meant (based on reading some of the article and skimming the rest).
 

SR1729

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As far as I can tell, all this article says is that some people are more inclined to do well at video games. They aren't necessarily smarter, I think Dari assumed that's what it meant (based on reading some of the article and skimming the rest).

Agreed. The article (from what I skimmed) does not establish any correlation between the size of these areas and intelligence, let alone a correlation between video game performance and intelligence. It merely establishes a correlation between the size of these areas and video game performance.
 

Dari

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Agreed. The article (from what I skimmed) does not establish any correlation between the size of these areas and intelligence, let alone a correlation between video game performance and intelligence. It merely establishes a correlation between the size of these areas and video game performance.

Well, that settles it. Size does matter. Also, since intelligence is ill-defined, what's wrong with me making my own definition?
 

mindcycle

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Well, that settles it. Size does matter. Also, since intelligence is ill-defined, what's wrong with me making my own definition?

Making your own definition is fine. However, the thread title "Better gamers are smarter" doesn't actually have anything to do with the article you linked to.
 

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It's simple, the skills that are useful in the environment that games present are tied to a specific physiology of the brain that can be measured and directly related to gaming performance.

These skills are not useful for all aspects of life nor they represent the whole spectrum of the power of the mind, just like some people have certain emotional or artistic affinity, some people may have this part of their brain more developed which makes them more likely to pick up games and be good at them.

It has nothing to do with being smart or intelligent, the brain is a complex organ with a variety of structures meant for different purposes, you can have some of them more developed which would make you smarter at whatever function that structure is meant to perform but there's no way to measure intelligence on an objective level.

Einstein was considered a genius because he was a superb mathematician and physicist, Mozart was considered a genius because he had superb musical affinity, I bet Einstein was terrible at composing and I bet Mozart failed hard at anything that wasn't simple mechanics physics (this, of course, is an over blown example) yet they were both considered genius... just in a different kind of way.

So in the same way, you could be a gaming genius and yet lack emotional, artistic or even logic skills, it's just that you can, as the article says, "refine his or her motor skills, learn new procedures, develop useful strategies and adapt to a quickly changing environment." it just happens this gift makes you better at video games.

Terrible title for an article.
 

SR1729

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Well, that settles it. Size does matter. Also, since intelligence is ill-defined, what's wrong with me making my own definition?

The issue isn't a lack of definition of intelligence, but rather a lack of correlation between intelligence and the other two factors (the size of these areas and/or video game performance).

If you don't know the difference, clearly it should not be left to you to define it
 
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