We need a two week quarantine of anybody coming into the US! With harsh interrogation techniques & daily anal probes!
This one's mostly been spread by affluent Western holiday makers (plus maybe a few of the more bourgie Chinese?). Maybe we'll finally get serious about excessive air-travel? A war on ski-ing holidays and unecessary business conference junkets, maybe?
Maybe some Green taxes on air travel?
We need a two week quarantine of anybody coming into the US! With harsh interrogation techniques & daily anal probes!
Yeah, the pretty obvious answer here is to get serious about public health. If you look at this and say 'man this means we need to act on immigration' you have pretty badly missed the actual problem.
Glenn1 may be nuts but the stuff interchange mentioned make perfect scientific sense to me. I see nothing more than an attempt to bring some balance and common sense to the immigration issue. We have fire ants, Argentine ants, and killer bees all arriving from south of the border. Viruses are no different and many travel with people. Animal to human deadly pathogens that inter-specie jump can happen anywhere in the world.We have never had this problem with our borders being unsecured being the cause of a virus spreading,
I see your response as a masked or veiled attempt to support the OP`s point of view...nice try though......
Glenn1 may be nuts but the stuff interchange mentioned make perfect scientific sense to me. I see nothing more than an attempt to bring some balance and common sense to the immigration issue. We have fire ants, Argentine ants, and killer bees all arriving from south of the border. Viruses are no different and many travel with people. Animal to human deadly pathogens that inter-specie jump can happen anywhere in the world.
Or maybe that is like addressing a papercut on your thumb while your torn carotid artery is painting the ground red.Glenn1 may be nuts but the stuff interchange mentioned make perfect scientific sense to me. I see nothing more than an attempt to bring some balance and common sense to the immigration issue. We have fire ants, Argentine ants, and killer bees all arriving from south of the border. Viruses are no different and many travel with people. Animal to human deadly pathogens that inter-specie jump can happen anywhere in the world.
so you agree with glenn?
Really? I don't want to play this game but hey:Or maybe that is like addressing a papercut on your thumb while your torn carotid artery is painting the ground red.
OK, damn it. Nothing I said nor anything interchange said as far as I can see was intended to agree with glenn. It was to say, again in my opinion, when such border concern might become real so as to bring real urgency to that question as opposed to any real threat at this time. I personally think it is nice to acknowledge a person's concerns when such concern could have meaning even if not at the present time. If you want to have a rational discussion with people you don't agree with you can start by acknowledging what you think they may have right. It is a much more sophisticated and civilized way to talk to people than we seem to be used to on this forum and I find it refreshing, assuming I even have any idea of what I am talking about having something to do with reality.so you agree with glenn?
Is it too much to indulge the OP by saying that, although it is currently irrelevant for COVID-19 and unlikely to every be relevant for COVID-19, there does exist some vulnerability with an insecure border for potential future illnesses? I don't think that securing the border is likely a priority for future outbreaks and technically quite difficult besides. If taken with a real evidence-based risk analysis for potential future outbreaks, consideration for border security is relevant.
You man be experiencing arterial bleeding, but it seems to me that interchange was just talking to glenn1 as if he were a real person and giving him his own perspective. So what you call a dealing with a paper cut I see as an expression of human empathy.Or maybe that is like addressing a papercut on your thumb while your torn carotid artery is painting the ground red.
That changes nothing as the conversation was about the border.If people south of our border become sick, I imagine they'll infect us the same way everyone else does. Through airliners and every over rapid mode of transport. If it was our only border / port of entry then I might agree. But it is far from it.
I support immigration but of the legal variety. Notice how in this thread and every other thread I say the answer to illegal immigration is to raise the legal immigration quota to roughly equal demand. If you have an epidemic of motorists speeding while not impacting safety adversely then the proper approach is to raise speed limits and not simply stop enforcing any speeding laws. The entire point is to stop purposely creating the circumstances to encourage lawbreaking. We want to encourage legal immigration and come down harshly on illegal immigration thereafter, and if you raise the quotas there should be very little incentive to illegally immigrate.
If people south of our border become sick, I imagine they'll infect us the same way everyone else does. Through airliners and every over rapid mode of transport. If it was our only border / port of entry then I might agree. But it is far from it.
Yes, dispassionate enough to not recognize a jab at brown people over something the yellow man did?(s) *BUILD THE WALL* The premise for this thread is absurd and to entertain it WELL, what else might we use as a catalyst to further a political agenda elsewhere on the spectrum?Really? I don't want to play this game but hey:
I labor under the impression that interchange is a psychiatrist which means among many other things, that he is a medical doctor who drew on his understanding of medical facts when making his post. Can you give me some reason why I should dismiss the opinion of an informed person to listen to the two of you wound tight in your animosity o4r whatever it is that gets your goats about glenn1. Some of us just may still be dispassionate enough to think rationally. Now please kindly reconsider your positions if you would be good enough to extend me that courtesy. interchange happens to be one of the people who I believe has a lot to offer with a perspective that is highly evolved, again, in my opinion. Perhaps that's why I think I and not you understood what he had to say. I was looking for gold and not some place to shit. Not that I have anything against shitting, mind you, if it helps to tell us who we are.
Perhaps once the left sees illegal immigrants as the potential carriers of pestilence into their cities instead of ripe targets of wage exploitation we'll see a turn on views on this? Will the nativist right continue to deny reality and fight against any increase of legal immigration quotas and simply hope for the best and hope that illegals get tired of making the trip? Hard to enjoy that produce picked from the fields by the illegals you happily overlook, or risk your kids' health to the Guatemalan nanny you pay under the table. Maybe just maybe we can admit there's a point to demanding immigration by via legal channels, insisting all immigrants are vetted for health, ideology, and other concerns, mandating those already here to report to be screened and pay heavy monetary fines, and deporting the rest who don't comply? Nah that's too mean, we can't expect them to obey the laws or anything (talking about both the illegal immigrants and their enablers who excuse away their acts).
I support immigration but of the legal variety. Notice how in this thread and every other thread I say the answer to illegal immigration is to raise the legal immigration quota to roughly equal demand. If you have an epidemic of motorists speeding while not impacting safety adversely then the proper approach is to raise speed limits and not simply stop enforcing any speeding laws. The entire point is to stop purposely creating the circumstances to encourage lawbreaking. We want to encourage legal immigration and come down harshly on illegal immigration thereafter, and if you raise the quotas there should be very little incentive to illegally immigrate.
"Maybe coronavirus will finally make us get serious about illegal immigration"
Wow. I had no idea that illegal aliens were the carriers of coronavirus into the US. Here all this time I've thought it was basically US citizens who were traveling outside of the US who brought it back. Please provide links so that we can all be educated. Otherwise we might think you were just using a clickbait title for a thread that has nothing to do with coronavirus and everything to do with your own personal disgusting xenophobia.
Yes, dispassionate enough to not recognize a jab at brown people over something the yellow man did?(s) *BUILD THE WALL* The premise for this thread is absurd and to entertain it WELL, what else might we use as a catalyst to further a political agenda elsewhere on the spectrum?
You know if we are dispassionate enough, we can dig into some really horrific shit and see what good we can extract from it. Game?
You know I think it is well deserving of its own thread? But no I dont think taking the discussion under the banner of a populist motive is the way to go? I wont be part of the catalyst. Populist parties often have popular observations, observations its hard to disagree with, what I can disagree with is what they propose as actions. If I engage in context of that party on behalf of the observation, I am giving it legitimacy. Cant do that.It's a real problem to me that, because a topic gets weaponized by a political party with bad intentions that means that all reality surrounding the topic is expected to be denied by reasonable people. Actually, "real problem" is a massive understatement in my view. I challenge you to look at the principle you have laid out. If it is what operates, then those who act with malice win in all cases -- either outright by their view taking hold or by converse making engaging in a discussion which acknowledges any kernels of truth underlying the malicious viewpoint too toxic to allow for real progress to be made.
Instead, consider that we get in the habit of actually examining even politically dangerous ideas with some nuance as a collective. What effect then, would bullshit have when it is added to voices who are skilled at looking from multiple perspectives? Would they not immediately recognize the stench and find no need to be afraid of it?
You know I think it is well deserving of its own thread? But no I dont think taking the discussion under the banner of a populist motive is the way to go? I wont be part of the catalyst. Populist parties often have popular observations, observations its hard to disagree with, what I can disagree with is what they propose as actions. If I engage in context of that party on behalf of the observation, I am giving it legitimacy. Cant do that.
I think the point you are missing is that you can't treat glenn1 as a human being because you're on a ideological tear and interchange can. I postulate this may be a factor because as a psychiatrist he may have a more empathetic ear for other people than you do. I hope that doesn't offend you. On a simple statistical basis there must be tons and tons of people whose empathy exceeds mine, and I manage somehow to live with that.Yes, dispassionate enough to not recognize a jab at brown people over something the yellow man did?(s) *BUILD THE WALL* The premise for this thread is absurd and to entertain it WELL, what else might we use as a catalyst to further a political agenda elsewhere on the spectrum?
You know if we are dispassionate enough, we can dig into some really horrific shit and see what good we can extract from it. Game?
That changes nothing as the conversation was about the border.
some people who believe the way you do are using this to justify their racist tendencies.......quoted for WTF?