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Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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Can't teach those who refuse to learn. Tribalism FTL.
I don't think you will have any success if your first lesson is, "Hello idiots I would like to teach you something but you are too stupid to learn.". but rest assured, I am going to tell you that whenever you say anything. You have the wrong attitude to be teaching. Now can you see this? If you can perhaps you can also learn.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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This is where you're not getting it. The average middle class person already has employer subsidized health insurance. It's an imperfect system and we should have never gone down that road but the ship has already sailed. When one of those employed middle class persons hears "single payer" they don't see some new benefit to them (remember they already have health insurance via their job) apart from continuation of insurance should they lose that job until they get a new job that offers health insurance again, and you could offer them something like that without needing to go full single payer. You can argue that such a short-term job loss need scenario is unrealistic all you want but that's the thought pattern the middle class has. When you start advocating for single payer they see that it as a means to benefit others and what's worse is they will typically believe (not altogether incorrectly) that the middle class will be the ones footing the bill for it. You see it as some amazing universal social benefit, the middle class sees it as another welfare scheme they won't benefit from (they hope!). While they wouldn't necessarily object to allowing taxpayer money to help expand coverage to the poor that simply cannot be the primary benefit they see. Unless and until you can explain (with believable cause/effect and numbers to back it up) how 'single payer' or any other system that's not the current one directly, immediately, and primarily helps the middle class (while demonstrating how middle class paying for the healthcare of the poor would reduce costs to the middle class) then single-payer is basically a non-starter. You could say that it would cover 100 trillion additional uninsured, unless you make healthcare cheaper for all it's going to fail.

So basically fuck you got mine.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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I don't think you will have any success if your first lesson is, "Hello idiots I would like to teach you something but you are too stupid to learn.". but rest assured, I am going to tell you that whenever you say anything. You have the wrong attitude to be teaching. Now can you see this? If you can perhaps you can also learn.
You're putting words in my mouth. Thanks for playing.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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So basically fuck you got mine.

More like screw making me pay for others when those at the top wont have to pay.

If you read the whole thing, you would see that he is saying the middle class is the one who said screw that because they would be the ones to pay for it disproportionately. They dont feel they are getting a fair share of the burden.
 

agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
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I don't think you will have any success if your first lesson is, "Hello idiots I would like to teach you something but you are too stupid to learn.". but rest assured, I am going to tell you that whenever you say anything. You have the wrong attitude to be teaching. Now can you see this? If you can perhaps you can also learn.

You know as well as anyone whether these sorts are teachable:

Yeah, probably the same pitfalls if those whom you disagree with took your advise.

You must have me confused with the idiots trying to teach your sort anything other than a lesson.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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More like screw making me pay for others when those at the top wont have to pay.

If you read the whole thing, you would see that he is saying the middle class is the one who said screw that because they would be the ones to pay for it disproportionately. They dont feel they are getting a fair share of the burden.
I'm middle class, employer healthcare, I'm very much for single payer. It's a benefit for all americans. Not just those who can outright afford it, or those who have to work some shit corporate job to barely afford it.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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I'm middle class, employer healthcare, I'm very much for single payer. It's a benefit for all americans. Not just those who can outright afford it, or those who have to work some shit corporate job to barely afford it.

You dont mean to imply that because you are middle class and you dont agree that it must be generally incorrect right?

Let me also be clear. I am not agreeing with Glenn, I just further explained. I also dont think your response dismisses his claim in terms of logic either.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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You dont mean to imply that because you are middle class and you dont agree that it must be generally incorrect right?
I'm not implying anything. I'm stating my case based in reality. Employer provided healthcare is barely even a benefit at this point.
 

agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
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I'm middle class, employer healthcare, I'm very much for single payer. It's a benefit for all americans. Not just those who can outright afford it, or those who have to work some shit corporate job to barely afford it.

You seem under the impression these sorts care about factual reality, aka are liberal.

So skip the pretence and get to punishing those "degens". Here is a guide on how to accomplish your "lesson".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

For example, simple facts like the german right wing are the american right wing's counterparts, such as with their opinion about brown people & so on. I do believe the former learned their lesson the latter has yet to.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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I'm not implying anything. I'm stating my case based in reality. Employer provided healthcare is barely even a benefit at this point.

The reason employer HC is not working is because we broke the market feedback. There is a reason the vast majority of medical patents come out of the US, and not in countries where they have single payer.

Single payer is good at keeping costs down. Its not good at anything else. You can have affordability and accessibility but it will come at the cost of innovation.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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You seem under the impression these sorts care about factual reality, aka are liberal.



For example, simple facts like the german right wing are the american right wing's counterparts, such as with their opinion about brown people & so on. I do believe former learned their lesson the latter has yet to.

Lol sure they are sport. The American Right are just like the Nazis. I was just reading about the 6 million minorities they have killed.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Lol sure they are sport. The American Right are just like the Nazis. I was just reading about the 6 million minorities they have killed.

Don't sell your slave holding and segregating predecessors short.

The reason employer HC is not working is because we broke the market feedback. There is a reason the vast majority of medical patents come out of the US, and not in countries where they have single payer.

Single payer is good at keeping costs down. Its not good at anything else. You can have affordability and accessibility but it will come at the cost of innovation.

From the same confederate sons who still think they're basically the jews even after 12+ years of educator effort. Clearly the learning type.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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The reason employer HC is not working is because we broke the market feedback. There is a reason the vast majority of medical patents come out of the US, and not in countries where they have single payer.

Single payer is good at keeping costs down. Its not good at anything else. You can have affordability and accessibility but it will come at the cost of innovation.
According to Trump, we can have it all.
 

realibrad

Lifer
Oct 18, 2013
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Don't sell your slave holding and segregating predecessors short.



From the same confederate sons who still think they're basically the jews even after 12+ years of educator effort.

Oh, this is one of your conspiracies again. The American Right are secretly working on a modern holocaust. Proof? Just you wait and see, they will come you just wait.

Also, 911 was an inside job!
 

brandonbull

Diamond Member
May 3, 2005
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The deplorables don't want to learn a new skill. That's the whole point. Trump promised them thier old lives back.

You here to sign everyone up to learn the new skills of protesting and being triggered?
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Oh, this is one of your conspiracies again. The American Right are secretly working on a modern holocaust. Proof? Just you wait and see, they will come you just wait.

Also, 911 was an inside job!

No great surprise when confederate sons get all sorts of riled up over empirically testing whether sand can be made to glow in the dark with enough bombing, nevermind the ban effort. Let's not pretend your sorts will change your tune when it's time to start rounding them up.

You here to sign everyone up to learn the new skills of protesting and being triggered?

Got another learner here.
 

brandonbull

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Hillary's message was "real, practical, and argued for and proven to be working." America does not give a shit about any of that. All they care about is sound bites taken out of context, headlines that aren't supported by the articles they'll never read, and bashing liberals.

Hillary and the Dems had no message other than "Trump bad, Hillary good". It was clearly pointed out in post election analysis where the vast majority of Hillary's campaign messages were about how bad Trump was and not her platform.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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You choose the words "let it go" as if to imply there's nothing wrong with Trump. There is plenty wrong, and impeachment is something we're all behind. (Few exceptions). However, your reaction is not healthy and ill advised. There is a visceral hatred for the people in your tone, the way you describe their "deserved" suffering. We say "help them", you say "!@#$ them". America is caught in a tempest and you've told us you'd rather sink the ship than lead it back to shore.
Saving everyone in 2008 got liberals nothing but more contempt. You go ahead and keep trying the same thing and expecting different results.
 
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realibrad

Lifer
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Lol....preaching to the choir.

You got 60 million Americans to get to.

A lot more than 60 million listen to lies.

How many people do you know that think vitamin C helps cure a cold? Lots of liars and misinformation out there.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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A lot more than 60 million listen to lies.

How many people do you know that think vitamin C helps cure a cold? Lots of liars and misinformation out there.
I don't recall vitamin C being part of anyone's campaign strategy.

Some lies are worth paying attention too.

I don't really care if someone wants some vitamin c.
 
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