Reminds me of the prelude of WWII, Germans sinking civilian ships... that was in the ocean and this is air.. that was Adolf this is Vladimir... Why cant all the civilized world get together, pin point his location and nuke him from orbit, maybe we can avoid WWIII. We let go of Hitler and WWII happened, lets try something new this time.
I like how corporations just play with civilian lives
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/malaysia-airlines-plane-crashes-ukraine-live
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I wouldn't say it had to be a russian at the trigger, but one likely recently gave enough training for them to fire the weapon and likely is still in the area giving support.
I like how corporations just play with civilian lives
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/17/malaysia-airlines-plane-crashes-ukraine-live
I guess you missed the part where it's a major air route and all the airlines were doing it?My bigger question is what the hell is wrong with Malaysian Air? The CEO needs to step down and they need to rethink their business model. It's obvious to me that safety is not their top concern. I'm not sure why anyone would be flying even near to a war zone that has long range Ground to Air missile batteries in place. That is unbelievably stupid to the point of criminal negligence.
I guess you missed the part where it's a major air route and all the airlines were doing it?
Well, he is right. 30,000 feet is five and a half miles up, I wouldn't have thought there was much risk either.
If these were real rebels with just shoulder fired missiles then they wouldn't have been in range. This conflict is different because the "rebels" are supported by russian forces with advanced weapons, like the vehicle mounted SAM battery that took down this flight.
BTW, the FAA banned US flights over that area a couple of months ago: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/faa-prohibited-us-airliners-ukraine
Yeah, but why make the assumption that they wouldn't get access to those capabilities from some outside group?
Ukraine's state security chief has accused two Russian military intelligence officers of being involved in the MH17 crash, Reuters reports, citing "intercepted phone conversations" between the officers.
SBU chief Valentyn Nalivaychenko said he based his allegation on intercepts of phone conversations between the two officers.
"Now you know who carried out this crime. We will do everything for the Russian military who carried out this crime to be punished," he told journalists.
The purported telephone intercepts have been posted to YouTube (Russian), as have past recordings of alleged conversations between rebels, some of whom are accused of being agents with Russian agents.
In the recordings, men nicknamed "Demon", "Mayor," and "Grek" panic and curse as they realize they've shot down a passenger plane and killed civilians, describing to each other the "bodies of women and children".
The authenticity of the recordings, however, cannot be confirmed.
Because real rebel groups never have access to vehicle mounted SAMs. Only modern militaries do.
That's true. Most intrinsic guerilla forces aren't going to have weapons capable of harming commercial air liners cruising at the upper limit of the operating envelope.
In the good side, at least we know where this particular Malaysian airliner went down.
:awe:You don't understand. This disaster might seem bad, but if one of the passengers had a bottle of shampoo with more than 4 oz of liquid in it, it would have been immeasurably worse.
This one's different... It's an open secret that Russia's probably supplying heavy equipment and skilled personnel. And the fact that they're right next to Russia makes it so make easier to provide all of the above. It's also known that separatists "acquired" a number of well equipped Ukrainian military bases at the onset of this charade. They've also have shot down at least two Ukrainian military aircraft very recently -- and proceeded to use it as propaganda.
Right, but it was well known that the 'separatists' were basically Russian military/backed by the Russian military.
US intelligence confirms surface-to-air missile fired at Malaysian plane, divided over origin
McCain has already declared war. Lol