Maybe the reason blacks act out negatively is because they were FORCED to come here.

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
a couple people hit the nail on the head when they were talking about the family unit being broken. but the breaking of the family unit started with slavery, where families would be sold off member by member so that htere was no stable base for black people.

BS. If you look at the historic trends of the black illegitimacy rates, it was as low as 20% in the 1940's, more than 50 years after the abolition of slavery. It didn't begin to skyrocket to today's levels of in excess of 70% until the 1960's. White liberalism is doing far more damage to the black family than slavery currently is.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
and (especially) present. Proper funding for inner city schools would be a good start.

Proper funding doesnt work, in most cities they already recieve as much, if not more per student than most suburban schools, yet do much worse.

This is very true - look at the per pupil spending in DC schools. While spending is near the top, results are still near the bottom. Children coming from dysfunctional homes are generally not prepared to learn, and tend to destabilize the learning environment, affecting other kids as well.

 

[irie]

:roll: Life sure is easy when you have an excuse for everything.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Listen, I support civil rights and equal rights for all minorities, but in retrospect, the lives of African Americans in the US are far superior to what they would have faced back in Africa. Most of central Africa is cestpool of starvation, disease and authoritarian rule. They should be counting their blessings that they live in a country as great as the USA.
The worst living conditions in the US are better than the best living conditions in some of these countries.
The problem in the black community can be traced back to culture, a culture of negativity and hip hop, a culture that demeans women and doesn't respect marriage by having a majority of their children growing up that were born out of wedlock. Education is the key to fixing these problems.

You know whats funny?

Why is Africa like it is today?

The EVAL white man.

So either way they're fvcked. Is this really so hard to get?

Go read up on King Leopold or something.

I think the only way whites will get what it is to be oppressed is if they are. And if China gets their way that won't be too far away.

 

[TheSlamma]

:disgust:

Dumb founds me how many of you morons think that slavery was the only problem and that it's long gone now.

CIVIL RIGHTS was a problem too and for those who say all the slaves are dead, well try that arguement in the case of Civil rights, incase you went to a suburban white boy school that act didn't pass until 1964, have you people met a black person over 41 years of age?

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Listen, I support civil rights and equal rights for all minorities, but in retrospect, the lives of African Americans in the US are far superior to what they would have faced back in Africa. Most of central Africa is cestpool of starvation, disease and authoritarian rule. They should be counting their blessings that they live in a country as great as the USA.
The worst living conditions in the US are better than the best living conditions in some of these countries.
The problem in the black community can be traced back to culture, a culture of negativity and hip hop, a culture that demeans women and doesn't respect marriage by having a majority of their children growing up that were born out of wedlock. Education is the key to fixing these problems.

You dont know shiit about hip hop. YOu will never understand. maybe you should watch a documentary on hip hop. Better yet, maybe you should watch a documentary on black people.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Listen, I support civil rights and equal rights for all minorities, but in retrospect, the lives of African Americans in the US are far superior to what they would have faced back in Africa. Most of central Africa is cestpool of starvation, disease and authoritarian rule. They should be counting their blessings that they live in a country as great as the USA.
The worst living conditions in the US are better than the best living conditions in some of these countries.
The problem in the black community can be traced back to culture, a culture of negativity and hip hop, a culture that demeans women and doesn't respect marriage by having a majority of their children growing up that were born out of wedlock. Education is the key to fixing these problems.

You know whats funny?

Why is Africa like it is today?

The EVAL white man.

So either way they're fvcked. Is this really so hard to get?

Go read up on King Leopold or something.

I think the only way whites will get what it is to be oppressed is if they are. And if China gets their way that won't be too far away.

YES! Thats why - BEYOKU :heart:'s CHINA--- GO CHINA GO!!!

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
:disgust:

Dumb founds me how many of you morons think that slavery was the only problem and that it's long gone now.

CIVIL RIGHTS was a problem too and for those who say all the slaves are dead, well try that arguement in the case of Civil rights, incase you went to a suburban white boy school that act didn't pass until 1964, have you people met a black person over 41 years of age?

Fine whine about civil rights but stop complain that blacks where brought over in chains when that hasn't happened for 200 years.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
:disgust:

Dumb founds me how many of you morons think that slavery was the only problem and that it's long gone now.

CIVIL RIGHTS was a problem too and for those who say all the slaves are dead, well try that arguement in the case of Civil rights, incase you went to a suburban white boy school that act didn't pass until 1964, have you people met a black person over 41 years of age?

Fine whine about civil rights but stop complain that blacks where brought over in chains when that hasn't happened for 200 years.

Civil rights were nothing to whine about moron, they were a big deal. Just because you were not even conceived yet and they didn't educate it in your well to do school doesn't mean they were not hard times.

 

[Superself]

Quite possibly slavery wasn't the only factor to degrade the foundation of the black family:

From the 1880s into the 1960s, a majority of American states enforced segregation through "Jim Crow" laws . From Delaware to California, and from North Dakota to Texas, many states (and cities, too) could impose legal punishments on people for consorting with members of another race. The most common types of laws forbade intermarriage and ordered business owners and public institutions to keep their black and white clientele separated.
-----


1960 is only 45 years ago. Can some of you magic wand wavers tell me that such laws would have no affect on the current generation of Blacks?

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Superself
Quite possibly slavery wasn't the only factor to degrade the foundation of the black family:

From the 1880s into the 1960s, a majority of American states enforced segregation through "Jim Crow" laws . From Delaware to California, and from North Dakota to Texas, many states (and cities, too) could impose legal punishments on people for consorting with members of another race. The most common types of laws forbade intermarriage and ordered business owners and public institutions to keep their black and white clientele separated.
-----


1960 is only 45 years ago. Can some of you magic wand wavers tell me that such laws would have no affect on the current generation of Blacks?

According to these fools anything outside of slavery is not all that bad, so you will not get a real answer.

Good post though BTW

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Superself
Quite possibly slavery wasn't the only factor to degrade the foundation of the black family:

From the 1880s into the 1960s, a majority of American states enforced segregation through "Jim Crow" laws . From Delaware to California, and from North Dakota to Texas, many states (and cities, too) could impose legal punishments on people for consorting with members of another race. The most common types of laws forbade intermarriage and ordered business owners and public institutions to keep their black and white clientele separated.
-----


1960 is only 45 years ago. Can some of you magic wand wavers tell me that such laws would have no affect on the current generation of Blacks?

Sorry this thread is about an event that stoped 197 years ago. Of course you can't make that go away be people need to get over it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Listen, I support civil rights and equal rights for all minorities, but in retrospect, the lives of African Americans in the US are far superior to what they would have faced back in Africa. Most of central Africa is cestpool of starvation, disease and authoritarian rule. They should be counting their blessings that they live in a country as great as the USA.
The worst living conditions in the US are better than the best living conditions in some of these countries.
The problem in the black community can be traced back to culture, a culture of negativity and hip hop, a culture that demeans women and doesn't respect marriage by having a majority of their children growing up that were born out of wedlock. Education is the key to fixing these problems.

You know whats funny?

Why is Africa like it is today?

The EVAL white man.

So either way they're fvcked. Is this really so hard to get?

Go read up on King Leopold or something.

I think the only way whites will get what it is to be oppressed is if they are. And if China gets their way that won't be too far away.

You know what's funny?

The EVAL white man is the first dominant culture in all of history to try to free its own slaves.

Naturally, you (of all people) would see such a culture as evil and seek its downfall.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Superself
Quite possibly slavery wasn't the only factor to degrade the foundation of the black family:

From the 1880s into the 1960s, a majority of American states enforced segregation through "Jim Crow" laws . From Delaware to California, and from North Dakota to Texas, many states (and cities, too) could impose legal punishments on people for consorting with members of another race. The most common types of laws forbade intermarriage and ordered business owners and public institutions to keep their black and white clientele separated.
-----


1960 is only 45 years ago. Can some of you magic wand wavers tell me that such laws would have no affect on the current generation of Blacks?

Sorry this thread is about an event that stoped 197 years ago. Of course you can't make that go away be people need to get over it.

This thread is about why blacks act out negativly, the slavery part is a theory made by the white original poster. What has carried on is facts of more recent events. Don't get scared.

 

[beyoku]

i vote to see the slamma and smack down battle over avatars. Anway smack down, if you dont mind me asking, how old are you and your parents? And where were they born?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Listen, I support civil rights and equal rights for all minorities, but in retrospect, the lives of African Americans in the US are far superior to what they would have faced back in Africa. Most of central Africa is cestpool of starvation, disease and authoritarian rule. They should be counting their blessings that they live in a country as great as the USA.
The worst living conditions in the US are better than the best living conditions in some of these countries.
The problem in the black community can be traced back to culture, a culture of negativity and hip hop, a culture that demeans women and doesn't respect marriage by having a majority of their children growing up that were born out of wedlock. Education is the key to fixing these problems.

You know whats funny?

Why is Africa like it is today?

The EVAL white man.

So either way they're fvcked. Is this really so hard to get?

Go read up on King Leopold or something.

I think the only way whites will get what it is to be oppressed is if they are. And if China gets their way that won't be too far away.

You know what's funny?

The EVAL white man is the first dominant culture in all of history to try to free its own slaves.

Naturally, you (of all people) would see such a culture as evil and seek its downfall.

A lot of cultures didn't even have slaves.

And what the hell do we know about the world. Its all white-biased history anyways.

OOH NO THE INDIANS WROTE THE RIG VEDA WHEN WE BREAKING ROCKS IN CAVES.

THEY MUST BE OUR OFFSPRING!!!

ITS THE ARABS FAULT WE TOOK SLAVES!!

Give me a break. I thought the right (which seems to include you these days) was all about responsibility and accountability. Its funny that the Left has to keep reminding them. When is the right going to start? Only when its convenient. In the present, after we have everyone oppressed. Being historically responsible is too difficult for you I assume.

You are really pushing it on many fronts. Someone who admires Che and Shaheed Bhagat Singh would surely find slavery disgusting. Those two honorable warriors for mankind fought for freedom of the oppressed to the death.

 

[Bumrush99]

We can talk in circles about fixing the problems that blacks are suffering through all day, heck our government has been trying to come up with solutions for nearly 50 years. To the posters that continue to pile blame on the white man or our government, I have some simple questions- At what point does personal responsiblity come in to the picture? Whose fault is it if the community has a disproportionate amound of families that are broken apart and children that are living in single parent homes? When does government become only a small part of the solution and not the entire solution?
Living in Miami I deal with a lot of blacks from the Carribean on daily basis. These people are some of the nicest, hardest working, smartest people I know. I have also travelled to Europe and Canada several times and the black Africans are perfectly integrated in to those societies. Blacks have climed the social ladders and don't seem any different than most whites. But American, we still continue to see the difficulty they are having climbing the economic and social ladders. I believe that culture, not race or genetics is the problem, that the culture has for to long embraced ideas and values that are conterproductive to success. Laugh all you want at me for saying hip hop and a general spiteful mentally play a role, but to a poor kid in school who listening to people talk about their bling bling and hoes all day is not gearing himself up towards success. And I'm not talking about groups like the Roots or A Tribe Called Quest, I'm talking about the average commercialized BS that dominates the airwaves and MTV.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
A lot of cultures didn't even have slaves.

And what the hell do we know about the world. Its all white-biased history anyways.

OOH NO THE INDIANS WROTE THE RIG VEDA WHEN WE BREAKING ROCKS IN CAVES.

THEY MUST BE OUR OFFSPRING!!!

ITS THE ARABS FAULT WE TOOK SLAVES!!

Give me a break. I thought the right (which seems to include you these days) was all about responsibility and accountability. Its funny that the Left has to keep reminding them. When is the right going to start? Only when its convenient. In the present, after we have everyone oppressed. Being historically responsible is too difficult for you I assume.

You are really pushing it on many fronts. Someone who admires Che and Shaheed Bhagat Singh would surely find slavery disgusting. Those two honorable warriors for mankind fought for freedom of the oppressed to the death.

Every culture in history (except possibly the eskimos) has had slaves.

The Indians not only had slaves, they institutionalized the concept of slavery into a permanent religion-based caste system.
I have noticed that your idea historical responsibility involves re-writing it. You probably don't believe that the Aztecs murdered their slaves by the thousands through human sacrifice... or that blacks sold blacks into slavery. That's just "white history," right? :roll:

As for Che being an "honorable warrior for mankind" --- :laugh:
Che was a murderer and a thief.

I love your logic, Prole. As long as we're not talking about white people, 2 wrongs make a right for you every time. Without doublethink, you wouldn't think.

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: Superself
Quite possibly slavery wasn't the only factor to degrade the foundation of the black family:

From the 1880s into the 1960s, a majority of American states enforced segregation through "Jim Crow" laws . From Delaware to California, and from North Dakota to Texas, many states (and cities, too) could impose legal punishments on people for consorting with members of another race. The most common types of laws forbade intermarriage and ordered business owners and public institutions to keep their black and white clientele separated.
-----


1960 is only 45 years ago. Can some of you magic wand wavers tell me that such laws would have no affect on the current generation of Blacks?

No response?
I'm not surprised.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
:disgust:

Dumb founds me how many of you morons think that slavery was the only problem and that it's long gone now.

CIVIL RIGHTS was a problem too and for those who say all the slaves are dead, well try that arguement in the case of Civil rights, incase you went to a suburban white boy school that act didn't pass until 1964, have you people met a black person over 41 years of age?

Fine whine about civil rights but stop complain that blacks where brought over in chains when that hasn't happened for 200 years.

Civil rights were nothing to whine about moron, they were a big deal. Just because you were not even conceived yet and they didn't educate it in your well to do school doesn't mean they were not hard times.

Fine don't whine about not having civil rights 50 years ago as the reason blacks community is so screwed up. Just stop complain about how your great great great grand daddy was brought over in chains.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Proletariat
A lot of cultures didn't even have slaves.

And what the hell do we know about the world. Its all white-biased history anyways.

OOH NO THE INDIANS WROTE THE RIG VEDA WHEN WE BREAKING ROCKS IN CAVES.

THEY MUST BE OUR OFFSPRING!!!

ITS THE ARABS FAULT WE TOOK SLAVES!!

Give me a break. I thought the right (which seems to include you these days) was all about responsibility and accountability. Its funny that the Left has to keep reminding them. When is the right going to start? Only when its convenient. In the present, after we have everyone oppressed. Being historically responsible is too difficult for you I assume.

You are really pushing it on many fronts. Someone who admires Che and Shaheed Bhagat Singh would surely find slavery disgusting. Those two honorable warriors for mankind fought for freedom of the oppressed to the death.

Every culture in history (except possibly the eskimos) has had slaves.

The Indians not only had slaves, they institutionalized the concept of slavery into a permanent religion-based caste system.
I have noticed that your idea historical responsibility involves re-writing it. You probably don't believe that the Aztecs murdered their slaves by the thousands through human sacrifice... or that blacks sold blacks into slavery. That's just "white history," right? :roll:

As for Che being an "honorable warrior for mankind" --- :laugh:
Che was a murderer and a thief.

I love your logic, Prole. As long as we're not talking about white people, 2 wrongs make a right for you every time. Without doublethink, you wouldn't think.

You should read more about India and maybe ask an Indian professor about the caste system. The British took advantage of the caste system and created an Aryan Dravidian divide in India. The lighter skinned caucasian looking Indians were put in positions of power while the rest were kept as laborers.

Also, even the caste system at its worst was not as bad as slavery. The lower castes were still paid to do their work.

Your problem is you look at history through Western eyes and its not totally your fault because that is what we were taught. If you read books from actual indigenous sources (I'm not talking about nationalist sources, but verified ones) you would find that the Gita never mentions a Caste System and the Indian caste system was present in all Indo-European societies including Rome.

As for the Aztecs - I believe the stuff about their sacrifices, but what does it matter, we wiped them off the face of this earth and few of them left make a slave-like living in the mountains. They aren't even an issue anymore.

I understand to accept certain things you would have to give up your current ideology. You can't ever look at your country or your people the same way again. You can't post in OT anymore. But the truth is out there. You live in an isolated nation. Go outside and your fragile reality will be quickly crushed.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Also, even the caste system at its worst was not as bad as slavery. The lower castes were still paid to do their work.

See? This is IMO where you admit your ignorance. Even slaves are paid. Some lavishly. The difference is choice. Slaves have no choice. Did those people of the lower castes have a choice about whether or not their lifetime occupation was going to be to clean out the sewers? Or be tanners? Or how about just the indignity of having to be subservient to people of the upper castes? Did they have a choice? No. Thus they were slaves. Perhaps not to a single owner, but certainly to an entire society.

I'll say it again: the EVAL whites are the first dominant culture in history to try to free its slaves. We actually regret our sinful past (or at least most of us do). Clearly, we must be destroyed for that.


edit: I've read the Bhagavad-Gita thank you.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Proletariat
A lot of cultures didn't even have slaves.

And what the hell do we know about the world. Its all white-biased history anyways.

OOH NO THE INDIANS WROTE THE RIG VEDA WHEN WE BREAKING ROCKS IN CAVES.

THEY MUST BE OUR OFFSPRING!!!

ITS THE ARABS FAULT WE TOOK SLAVES!!

Give me a break. I thought the right (which seems to include you these days) was all about responsibility and accountability. Its funny that the Left has to keep reminding them. When is the right going to start? Only when its convenient. In the present, after we have everyone oppressed. Being historically responsible is too difficult for you I assume.

You are really pushing it on many fronts. Someone who admires Che and Shaheed Bhagat Singh would surely find slavery disgusting. Those two honorable warriors for mankind fought for freedom of the oppressed to the death.

Every culture in history (except possibly the eskimos) has had slaves.

The Indians not only had slaves, they institutionalized the concept of slavery into a permanent religion-based caste system.
I have noticed that your idea historical responsibility involves re-writing it. You probably don't believe that the Aztecs murdered their slaves by the thousands through human sacrifice... or that blacks sold blacks into slavery. That's just "white history," right? :roll:

As for Che being an "honorable warrior for mankind" --- :laugh:
Che was a murderer and a thief.

I love your logic, Prole. As long as we're not talking about white people, 2 wrongs make a right for you every time. Without doublethink, you wouldn't think.

You should read more about India and maybe ask an Indian professor about the caste system. The British took advantage of the caste system and created an Aryan Dravidian divide in India. The lighter skinned caucasian looking Indians were put in positions of power while the rest were kept as laborers.

Also, even the caste system at its worst was not as bad as slavery. The lower castes were still paid to do their work.

Your problem is you look at history through Western eyes and its not totally your fault because that is what we were taught. If you read books from actual indigenous sources (I'm not talking about nationalist sources, but verified ones) you would find that the Gita never mentions a Caste System and the Indian caste system was present in all Indo-European societies including Rome.

As for the Aztecs - I believe the stuff about their sacrifices, but what does it matter, we wiped them off the face of this earth and few of them left make a slave-like living in the mountains. They aren't even an issue anymore.

I understand to accept certain things you would have to give up your current ideology. You can't ever look at your country or your people the same way again. You can't post in OT anymore. But the truth is out there. You live in an isolated nation. Go outside and your fragile reality will be quickly crushed.

Must have forgotten that indian sh!t doesn't smell and that is why they wipe it on there hands.

 

[Superself]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Also, even the caste system at its worst was not as bad as slavery. The lower castes were still paid to do their work.

See? This is IMO where you admit your ignorance. Even slaves are paid.

Forced into labor and bred like horses. Removed from their families. Paid through leftovers from their master's table.

Um, ok.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Also, even the caste system at its worst was not as bad as slavery. The lower castes were still paid to do their work.

See? This is IMO where you admit your ignorance. Even slaves are paid. Some lavishly. The difference is choice. Slaves have no choice. Did those people of the lower castes have a choice about whether or not their lifetime occupation was going to be to clean out the sewers? Or be tanners? Or how about just the indignity of having to be subservient to people of the upper castes? Did they have a choice? No. Thus they were slaves. Perhaps not to a single owner, but certainly to an entire society.

I'll say it again: the EVAL whites are the first dominant culture in history to try to free its slaves. We actually regret our sinful past (or at least most of us do). Clearly, we must be destroyed for that.

Slaves in Europe and America were paid? They weren't even allowed to read. I think you are talking about Arab slaves. They were allowed to buy their freedom from the money they earned.

You don't think Indians do regret their past? If you think Affirmative Action is 'horrible' here. Look at Indian parliment. There are a huge amount of 'Dalit' and 'Muslim' reserved seats. Which is funny because Muslims used Indians - Sikh, Hindu and Buddhist as slaves. In fact the 'Hindu Kush' mountain range in Afghanistan means "Hindu slaughter". Millions were sent to their death there.

I never said we as whites must be destroyed either, that would mean my own destruction. Thats garbage. I said I think the only way we will learn is to be oppressed. Our arrogance has reached untold levels. We must learn what harmony, peace and justice truly mean. We have the power to make the world a better place but instead we choose not to.