Maybe there needs to be a 1% rule for the electoral system

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That way if the two idiots (ahem, candidates) come within 1% of one another as election day closes then the state is frozen and the electoral votes are split. Are there not already states that split electoral votes among candidates? And what would be the down side to this? Neither candidate is worthy enough?
 

fskimospy

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That way if the two idiots (ahem, candidates) come within 1% of one another as election day closes then the state is frozen and the electoral votes are split. Are there not already states that split electoral votes among candidates? And what would be the down side to this? Neither candidate is worthy enough?
Why would this be better? More importantly, if we're changing the system why not just abolish the electoral college entirely?
 
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I would be willing to abolish the voting college, but that will never happen because politicians love old and broken systems they can cheat at.
 

SmCaudata

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A partially split electoral system doesn't really work. In fact, it only exacerbated the current problem. If all electoral split based on vote share it may be okay, but you still get the 2 free electoral per state.

Also, Biden is a good presidential candidate. You personally may not like him, but he's certainly not an "idiot." The only real idiots here are Trump and the 70 million that voted for 4 more years of a wannabe dictator that is objectively the worst in US history.
 

Jaskalas

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That way if the two idiots (ahem, candidates) come within 1% of one another as election day closes then the state is frozen and the electoral votes are split. Are there not already states that split electoral votes among candidates? And what would be the down side to this? Neither candidate is worthy enough?

So instead of arguing over reaching one threshold, (more votes than the other guy), they'd argue over another threshold. (Whether or not they are within 1%.) They would still be splitting hairs over which votes should be counted.
 

Muse

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That way if the two idiots (ahem, candidates) come within 1% of one another as election day closes then the state is frozen and the electoral votes are split. Are there not already states that split electoral votes among candidates? And what would be the down side to this? Neither candidate is worthy enough?
If you have a 1% rule you still have a problem proving that it's really 1% and not 1.01%. Lawsuits!!!!!!!!!!!

Better to just scuttle the insane EC system. This whole hand full of swing states and everybody else thing is wacko.
 

Muse

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If there is one thing that Trump has clearly demonstrated is that it is definitely time to do away with the electoral college.
He's also demonstrated that nobody should vote for an incorrigible narcissist pathological liar for president.
 
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thilanliyan

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If there is one thing that Trump has clearly demonstrated is that it is definitely time to do away with the electoral college.
This system allows minority rule, so those in the minority (and they have quite a bit of power right now) will never agree to it.
 

Jaskalas

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He's also demonstrated that nobody should vote for an incorrigible narcissist pathological liar for president.

Republicans call that winning. They like to win. They want more of it.

Beware the next Trump. He will not be nearly as incompetent as this one (A very low bar). And he is likely to have a fully developed alt-reality bubble sponsoring him. Meaning... reality as you know it will mean nothing to an even greater percentage of our population.
 
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As others have said if we are going to modify the EC, why not eliminate it?
Regarding splitting, to my understanding States could pass legislation to do this but most do not. Also imagine the chaos of a 50-50 split and nobody making it to 270 then the EC deciding the winner which was their original task. Imagine that happening in the modern era, imagine if they chose someone other than the two who tied. Imagine if they chose the person running who has fewer EC votes.
 
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I saw posting here of a to-me novel idea that's been bandied about in political circles, a way of doing an end run around minority rule. Namely, a cabal of states with a lot of electoral votes, totaling 270+ that pledge to cast their electoral votes for the ticket with the most votes nationally. I suppose that could be engineered state by state. One state does it, then another, snowballs to the point where 270+ electoral votes are guaranteed and you have effectively eliminated the electoral college morass.

Could this be engineered? I don't know. Swing states may not want to do that. Do they get something out of being swing states other than a deluge of advertising? Would red states be against it? Universally?
 
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I saw posting here of a to-me novel idea that's been bandied about in political circles, a way of doing an end run around minority rule. Namely, a cabal of states with a lot of electoral votes, totaling 270+ that pledge to cast their electoral votes for the ticket with the most votes nationally. I suppose that could be engineered state by state. One state does it, then another, snowballs to the point where 270+ electoral votes are guaranteed and you have effectively eliminated the electoral college morass.

Could this be engineered? I don't know. Swing states may not want to do that. Do they get something out of being swing states other than a deluge of advertising? Would red states be against it? Universally?

Yup. It's a real thing.

And probably our "easiest" path to a nation vote that doesn't require a constitutional convention.
 
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Yup. It's a real thing.

And probably our "easiest" path to a nation vote that doesn't require a constitutional convention.

Only real bummer is
Getting the final States to enact it, however this doesn’t seem impossible
The lawsuit that will follow per my amateur reading it is 50-50. There is some established law preventing it and there is some established law saying it’s okay.
 

nickqt

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So, we can try to reform a broken system put in place 230 years ago by white male slave owners, or we can just let every single vote for President be equal to every other vote for President.

Touch choice.
 
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So, we can try to reform a broken system put in place 230 years ago by white male slave owners, or we can just let every single vote for President be equal to every other vote for President.

Touch choice.

Related, I don’t like this “founding fathers wanted small states to have influence” thing. That may have been a side reason or more likely a justification. Realistically they needed everyone to agree AND they were concerned about what happens if the voters elect the King of England or Jesus. Also they were concerned about fights over which John Johnson won because there could have been around 100 candidates running back then same or similar names was a concern. Which John Johnson did the guy in CT vote for? John from Maine or John from NY?
They needed a body to end arguments before they began.
 
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A partially split electoral system doesn't really work. In fact, it only exacerbated the current problem. If all electoral split based on vote share it may be okay, but you still get the 2 free electoral per state.

Also, Biden is a good presidential candidate. You personally may not like him, but he's certainly not an "idiot." The only real idiots here are Trump and the 70 million that voted for 4 more years of a wannabe dictator that is objectively the worst in US history.

"Biden is a good presidential candidate?"


Are you high or just incredibly stupid?

The man had gaffs in the thousands. His public speaking is horrendous. His cabinet that is currently being filled is already chock-full of big-pharma, big-tech, big-oil, lobbyists galore.....

If this is your idea of a good presidential candidate than you sincerely need some mental help. This is status quo 101. Nothing will change, corporate lobbyists will be very happy Americans will be pissed as usual.
 

nickqt

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"Biden is a good presidential candidate?"


Are you high or just incredibly stupid?

The man had gaffs in the thousands. His public speaking is horrendous. His cabinet that is currently being filled is already chalk-full of big-pharma, big-tech, big-oil, lobbyists galore.....

If this is your idea of a good presidential candidate than you sincerely need some mental help.
n0b0dy pops into a thread, screams at mirror, shits himself in anger, and runs off.

Thanks for stopping by n0b0dy!
 
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"Biden is a good presidential candidate?"


Are you high or just incredibly stupid?

The man had gaffs in the thousands. His public speaking is horrendous. His cabinet that is currently being filled is already chock-full of big-pharma, big-tech, big-oil, lobbyists galore.....

If this is your idea of a good presidential candidate than you sincerely need some mental help. This is status quo 101. Nothing will change, corporate lobbyists will be very happy Americans will be pissed as usual.

Hahaha he’s good enough to win
 
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MrSquished

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"Biden is a good presidential candidate?"


Are you high or just incredibly stupid?

The man had gaffs in the thousands. His public speaking is horrendous. His cabinet that is currently being filled is already chock-full of big-pharma, big-tech, big-oil, lobbyists galore.....

If this is your idea of a good presidential candidate than you sincerely need some mental help. This is status quo 101. Nothing will change, corporate lobbyists will be very happy Americans will be pissed as usual.
The best progressive candidate of change was Elizabeth Warren. Unfortunately I don't think she would have gotten the 80 million votes.
 

hal2kilo

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Maybe white people shouldn't freak out when black people make the deciding votes in an election. Really, you nuts really want to destroy our democracy over your racism?
 

fskimospy

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"Biden is a good presidential candidate?"


Are you high or just incredibly stupid?

The man had gaffs in the thousands. His public speaking is horrendous. His cabinet that is currently being filled is already chock-full of big-pharma, big-tech, big-oil, lobbyists galore.....

If this is your idea of a good presidential candidate than you sincerely need some mental help. This is status quo 101. Nothing will change, corporate lobbyists will be very happy Americans will be pissed as usual.
He beat an incumbent by the largest amount of any candidate since FDR. Apparently he did something right.
 
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The best progressive candidate of change was Elizabeth Warren. Unfortunately I don't think she would have gotten the 80 million votes.

That is simply what your party wanted to you to perceive, young peasant.

At no time during any of this did you see this type of crowd for Biden:



 
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