Maybe we should have a general Meatball Ron (desantis) thread

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Lifer
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The media acts like DeSantis announcing really matters... to anyone.
At least the maga crowd know well the limits to Donald Trump's insanity but not so much that of DeSantis.

My Q family were showing "some interest" in DeSantis, while remaining Trump loyalist but still showing an interest because they weren't quite sure of where Donald Trump might be come Election Day. Could be maralago, could be a jail cell, could be a prison camp. This was until Trump started running those DeSantis vs social security ads on tv. Those ads pretty much killed any interest in DeSantis for the Q and for the maga. SS seems to be their line in the sand.

So I wonder..... just how DeSantis will spin his well known anti SS position? I wonder what lies he will come up with in attempts to rest assured seniors?
People... Do you see what we have coming here? We have a presidential campaign where the best lier wins the job.
Wasn't there a tv game show back in the 70's based on something like that???
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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The announcement will do one concrete thing. It will open up active warfare between Donny and Desantis. If Ron continues the "he who shall not be named" act, he'll be branded a pussy and fade away like a fart in the wind. He has to go toe to toe with him. And even then, he really needs something catastrophic to change on Trump's side in order to win the nomination.
 
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Paratus

Lifer
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I have never been more comfortable since this latest news just reassures me that if god forbid Ron DeSantis became president, he would respect our democracy.
This again? Nobody thinks he respects democracy. We just don’t agree with you that he’ll be able to overthrow the government with the Florida granny militia.

 

HomerJS

Lifer
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DeSantis and Florida continue their censoring black history and culture. Racist fucks. NAACP is right about that state.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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This again? Nobody thinks he respects democracy. We just don’t agree with you that he’ll be able to overthrow the government with the Florida granny militia.

The argument was never that he would overthrow the government from Florida as a governor. But if he became president after four years.

And if you think he'd respect democracy after four years in power then I got many fucking bridges to sell you. He wouldn't respect democracy for a month , he be trying to figure out how to weaken it right away .

We can't fight the enemy if we don't even have a clue who they are.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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The argument was never that he would overthrow the government from Florida as a governor. But if he became president after four years.

And if you think he'd respect democracy after four years in power then I got many fucking bridges to sell you. He wouldn't respect democracy for a month , he be trying to figure out how to weaken it right away .

We can't fight the enemy if we don't even have a clue who they are.

Question. Why do you think you're telling us anything about Ron DeSantis that we don't already know?
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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Question. Why do you think you're telling us anything about Ron DeSantis that we don't already know?

It's been an ongoing debate with @fskimospy because he believes DeSantis would respect democracy in that case, and reiterated that last week. And numerous posters have come to his defense. I'm sure most people here realize this basic fact, but it's harmful that people are so naive they don't get such basic simple things.
 
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Paratus

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The argument was never that he would overthrow the government from Florida as a governor. But if he became president after four years.

And if you think he'd respect democracy after four years in power then I got many fucking bridges to sell you. He wouldn't respect democracy for a month , he be trying to figure out how to weaken it right away .

We can't fight the enemy if we don't even have a clue who they are.
I was under the impression you were talking about Desantis in 2024. Which is idiotic.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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It's been an ongoing debate with @fskimospy because he believes DeSantis would respect democracy in that case, and reiterated that last week. And numerous posters have come to his defense. I'm sure most people here realize this basic fact, but it's harmful that people are so naive they don't get such basic simple things.

Not numerous, no. You're arguing against what really amounts to a straw man position. Not one person here who thinks DeSantis might be a little better than Trump even remotely likes him. I don't happen to think DeSantis is any better than Trump. It's even conceivable he could be worse. But if someone thinks he may be mildly better than Trump even though they think he's a disaster nonetheless, I'm not going to get into a twist about it.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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Not numerous, no. You're arguing against what really amounts to a straw man position. Not one person here who thinks DeSantis might be a little better than Trump even remotely likes him. I don't happen to think DeSantis is any better than Trump. It's even conceivable he could be worse. But if someone thinks he may be mildly better than Trump even though they think he's a disaster nonetheless, I'm not going to get into a twist about it.

I think it boils down to if you think Ron Desantis is going to respect core institutions like democracy, it's fundamentally idiotic and how can you help fight the fascists if you barely understand them?
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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I think it boils down to if you think Ron Desantis is going to respect core institutions like democracy, it's fundamentally idiotic and how can you help fight the fascists if you barely understand them?

You'll need to quote Fskimospy or whoever else it is that you claim believes that DeSantis "respects democracy." I've been reading his posts for over a decade now, and one thing he is not, is stupid. So yeah, I really need to see an example of what you're talking about. And preferrably one that is recent enough to take account of his behavior in Florida, not something someone might have said 3 years ago.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
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You'll need to quote Fskimospy or whoever else it is that you claim believes that DeSantis "respects democracy." I've been reading his posts for over a decade now, and one thing he is not, is stupid. So yeah, I really need to see an example of what you're talking about. And preferrably one that is recent enough to take account of his behavior in Florida, not something someone might have said 3 years ago.

I mean I can find the quote but the first time was like four months ago. I started asking him again after Ron showed even more of his MO, and he wouldn't answer, but last week or so he did answer it, and said yes, he still thinks the same. I thought he was really smart but he has really started missing the ball on fundamental things, such as this and being unable to criticize Biden.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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I mean I can find the quote but the first time was like four months ago. I started asking him again after Ron showed even more of his MO, and he wouldn't answer, but last week or so he did answer it, and said yes, he still thinks the same. I thought he was really smart but he has really started missing the ball on fundamental things, such as this and being unable to criticize Biden.

I did your research for you. Ran a search under "desantis" posted by Fskimospy. I couldn't find anything positive he said about him, except this, which is probably what you're referring to:


He basically says he thinks DeSantis is a shitbag but that he probably would leave office after losing an election, unlike Trump.

For the record, I'm not actually sure he's right about that, but then again, what does it matter. None of us is ever going to vote for Ron DeSantis.
 

HomerJS

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Of course DeSantis did this. Another reason NAACP was right for issuing a travel advisory for Florida.
 
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MrSquished

Lifer
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I did your research for you. Ran a search under "desantis" posted by Fskimospy. I couldn't find anything positive he said about him, except this, which is probably what you're referring to:


He basically says he thinks DeSantis is a shitbag but that he probably would leave office after losing an election, unlike Trump.

For the record, I'm not actually sure he's right about that, but then again, what does it matter. None of us is ever going to vote for Ron DeSantis.

The question from me was would Ron DeSantis respect our core institutions including democracy. The answer was yes then and the answer was yes last week.

To me that is the definition of naivete and ignorance. I haven't seen an argument yet that would change my mind on that.

It's pretty clear to me that Ron will not respect a single one of our core institutions or values. That's my simple position.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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I personally think the "Desantis will respect our institutions" argument was over the minute he went after Disney for an obvious 1st amendment exercise. But that's just me.
 
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Pohemi

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It's been an ongoing debate with @fskimospy because he believes DeSantis would respect democracy in that case, and reiterated that last week.
The question from me was would Ron DeSantis respect our core institutions including democracy. The answer was yes then and the answer was yes last week...

....It's pretty clear to me that Ron will not respect a single one of our core institutions or values. That's my simple position.

My response from another Ron thread two months ago (and you still haven't STFU about this)


This is the message you have been attributing to him for weeks, but I do not recall him saying this. It's an exaggerated generalization you created and claimed that he said in order to drive your 'argument'.

Why do you persist in doing this?

Can you quote where he said it, without cherry-picking something out of context? Because I couldn't find anything he posted that comes close to those statements you keep claiming in order to vilify him as some bad, ignorant Democrat.

He's stated various times that he doesn't believe he would get away with it if he tried, and therefore is less likely to attempt it than Donald was. It clearly had nothing to do with claiming Ron, "respects our core institutions".

But for months now, you're still claiming the same old shit, and arguing against phantom statements that he supposedly made when nobody else can find evidence of it.

Guess who keeps repeating, "respect our core institutions and democracy" ? Like, dozens of times? Yeah. Let it fucking GO already, for fuck's sake. It became idiocy months ago.
 
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