Mayor of San Juan: "Help us, we're dying!" Trump: "Such poor leadership"

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HomerJS

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Tue night: NBC reporter Tammy Leitner who has been in San Juan since before the storm hit.and is there now says what Trump said does not represent what is really happening on the ground.

Trump is perpetrating a fraud. The Gov of PR feels the need to kiss his ass for attention.

I can hear the apologist denials now but remember sucking Trump's dick in public has been a requirement since Day 1. Remember that first cabinet meeting. They went around the room and everyone had to say how great Trump is and thank him for allowing them in his presence. The only person who didn't kiss his ass was one of the military guys. He thanked the troops.

Disgusting!!
 

Puffnstuff

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It's more like the zoo patrons throwing turds at the monkeys.
I wasn't going to refer to the good citizens of PR as primates. I see on the news this morning that the mayor has changed her stance on Trump so perhaps they're getting back on track after all. I can tell you from experience that things don't always work out the way you plan for them to after a hurricane.

When I went 3 weeks without power after I van I was not happy that some areas were being restored before mine but that is how things work out and I had to deal with it. I've got 5 decades of hurricane experience under my belt now and each one is different. No matter how you slice it people expect for their representatives to be respectful and caring which is a characteristic that seems to be in short supply these days at the top.
 
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I wasn't going to refer to the good citizens of PR as primates. I see on the news this morning that the mayor has changed her stance on Trump so perhaps they're getting back on track after all. I can tell you from experience that things don't always work out the way you plan for them to after a hurricane.

When I went 3 weeks without power after I van I was not happy that some areas were being restored before mine but that is how things work out and I had to deal with it. I've got 5 decades of hurricane experience under my belt now and each one is different. No matter how you slice it people expect for their representatives to be respectful and caring which is a characteristic that seems to be in short supply these days at the top.

C'mon, you know that's not what I was doing. It was a reference to why it was classless. A monkey throwing turds at anything is natural. A zoo patron throwing turds at caged monkeys is classless. And that's what Trump is doing. He's throwing shit at citizens of his country who are suffering a disaster.
 

ch33zw1z

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C'mon, you know that's not what I was doing. It was a reference to why it was classless. A monkey throwing turds at anything is natural. A zoo patron throwing turds at caged monkeys is classless. And that's what Trump is doing. He's throwing shit at citizens of his country who are suffering a disaster.
I think trump is probably dealing with the embarrassment of not knowing P.R. residents are USA citizens.
 
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Bitek

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I saw that clip treating suffering people like they are the Harlem Globetrotters

What a piece of filth Trump is

Had anyone looped in the "are you ready for this?!" dance music they play in stadiums yet?

Only thing missing from this grotesquery was a T-shirt cannon firing bottles of water at children and insulin for the dying diabetics.
 

VRAMdemon

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It's possible he's going to go all Charlottesville on Puerto Rico soon. Because from what he's said, it seems he really doesn't want to help them. And he's being forced by the "grown-ups" to say things he doesn't mean. And if you look at him you can almost literally see the pressure building up. He's gonna blow! Maybe not today, but soon.
 

Puffnstuff

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and the recent revelation that it's an island, surrounded by water, big water, ocean water.
Couldn't you just picture this on your tv set: Up next on the apprentice president Trump speaks on escape velocity before a senate budget panel at NASA. Begin excerpt of speech: A fire starts under that long painted thingy over there and since it's so hot it tries to climb up into the sky to get away from it but he fire follows it so it tries even harder to get away, kind of like the little girls I hemmed up on the dressing room at the pageant. Anyway it eventually makes it into space and since it's there it decides to just go round and round the planet because the planet is round, really round, as opposed to flat so the rocket just goes around in a circle until it gets tired and realizes that the fire is no longer chasing it.
 

K1052

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Lol, Trump told Geraldo in his interview that PR debt will need to be “wiped out” and that people who own it can “say goodbye to that”. I’m going to suspect he didn’t run this idea past anybody, GOP would not at all like this.

PR debt is north of $70B not including other liabilities like pensions IIRC.

Mulvaney just contradicted his boss saying that the government won'd "bail out" PR. Perhaps not the best choice of words.

Either way there are going to be major political consequences down the road from this.
 

Jhhnn

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Mulvaney just contradicted his boss saying that the government won'd "bail out" PR. Perhaps not the best choice of words.

Either way there are going to be major political consequences down the road from this.

What's obviously going to happen if we cannot create rapid recovery in PR is that the trickling exodus to the mainland will become a flood. As the population falls, the debt burden on remaining people will simply become unsustainable & the PR govt will be forced to default. It's already that way.

For once, I'm forced to agree with Trump.
 
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Tue night: NBC reporter Tammy Leitner who has been in San Juan since before the storm hit.and is there now says what Trump said does not represent what is really happening on the ground.

Trump is perpetrating a fraud. The Gov of PR feels the need to kiss his ass for attention.

I can hear the apologist denials now but remember sucking Trump's dick in public has been a requirement since Day 1. Remember that first cabinet meeting. They went around the room and everyone had to say how great Trump is and thank him for allowing them in his presence. The only person who didn't kiss his ass was one of the military guys. He thanked the troops.

Disgusting!!
Great link there, thanks!
 

UNCjigga

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Mulvaney just contradicted his boss saying that the government won't "bail out" PR. Perhaps not the best choice of words.

Either way there are going to be major political consequences down the road from this.
I don't think there will be. Think about it--Puerto Rico is unique in that they are a population of Americans for which there will be no political consequences for abandoning them in their moment of need. So the GOP loses the island of Puerto Rico--so what? Have they ever cast the decisive vote in any federal elections? Ok, so you risk alienating a large Nuyorican/Boricuan population in New York--who cares? That city already votes Democrat. Is there a solidarity issue with Latinos and Puerto Ricans? Maybe, but most Latinos already vote Democrat, and I doubt the anti-Castro Cuban bloc in South Florida is going to grieve as long as they get their relief for Irma.

So what political consequences will the Trump administration face for abandoning Puerto Rico? What's a few more negative news cycles to this administration? Sure, morally they can all go to hell but they don't care.
 

K1052

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I don't think there will be. Think about it--Puerto Rico is unique in that they are a population of Americans for which there will be no political consequences for abandoning them in their moment of need. So the GOP loses the island of Puerto Rico--so what? Have they ever cast the decisive vote in any federal elections? Ok, so you risk alienating a large Nuyorican/Boricuan population in New York--who cares? That city already votes Democrat. Is there a solidarity issue with Latinos and Puerto Ricans? Maybe, but most Latinos already vote Democrat, and I doubt the anti-Castro Cuban bloc in South Florida is going to grieve as long as they get their relief for Irma.

So what political consequences will the Trump administration face for abandoning Puerto Rico? What's a few more negative news cycles to this administration? Sure, morally they can all go to hell but they don't care.

Puerto Ricans moving to central Florida and Texas. Potentially a ton of them. The island was already sporting a net loss of population about 60-70K annually, many of whom have resettled in the Orlando area. Leaving the island crippled both physically and financially will only drastically increase the rate of departure. A few hundred thousand (potentially up to 1M) pissed off Puerto Ricans moving to FL could be a significant force in FL's elections.
 
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sdifox

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I don't think there will be. Think about it--Puerto Rico is unique in that they are a population of Americans for which there will be no political consequences for abandoning them in their moment of need. So the GOP loses the island of Puerto Rico--so what? Have they ever cast the decisive vote in any federal elections? Ok, so you risk alienating a large Nuyorican/Boricuan population in New York--who cares? That city already votes Democrat. Is there a solidarity issue with Latinos and Puerto Ricans? Maybe, but most Latinos already vote Democrat, and I doubt the anti-Castro Cuban bloc in South Florida is going to grieve as long as they get their relief for Irma.

So what political consequences will the Trump administration face for abandoning Puerto Rico? What's a few more negative news cycles to this administration? Sure, morally they can all go to hell but they don't care.


Cuba 2
 

UNCjigga

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Puerto Ricans moving to central Florida and Texas. Potentially a ton of them. The island was already sporting a net loss of population about 60-70K annually, many of whom have resettled in the Orlando area. Leaving the island crippled both physically and financially will only drastically increase the rate of departure. A few hundred thousand (potentially up to 1M) pissed off Puerto Ricans moving to FL could be a significant force in FL's elections.
And they are likely to settle into districts that are already cracked and packed with other Latinos. Their votes and voices have already been heavily diluted.
 

K1052

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And they are likely to settle into districts that are already cracked and packed with other Latinos. Their votes and voices have already been heavily diluted.

Even assuming that do their votes not count for governor or president? Trump's margin in FL was about 100K.
 

K1052

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Turns out the gulf between what Trump saw and the reality for basically the entire island outside of San Juan is somewhat large:

http://wapo.st/2fKkBqA?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.073e50e020a2

But here in Caguas there remains a sense of desperation with Miranda Torres rattling off a much more dire list of statistics in Spanish: Nearly 1 in 10 residents were severely impacted by the storm’s destruction. More than 1,200 homes were flattened or suffered major damage. At least one person died at a shelter from complications of diabetes after not having access to medical care, and two people committed suicide.

Many more could be dead not just in Caguas but in many rural municipalities where hospitals shut down and lifesaving medical treatment was out of reach for several days. And it’s unclear how many people drowned in flooding or were trapped by mounds of tumbling mud.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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Mulvaney just contradicted his boss saying that the government won'd "bail out" PR. Perhaps not the best choice of words.

Either way there are going to be major political consequences down the road from this.
Yea, let's just bill them when it's all over. Never going to happen.
 

werepossum

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I'm quite certain that all parties could've performed better in this incident but hindsight is 20/20. PR lost access to its ports which caused further delays not to mention a lack of workers to move materials and supplies. Hopefully everyone has learned from this experience and will use it to make the necessary changes to prevent a future repeat.
Unfortunately I believe the first thing a politician learns is that learning things is not politically advantageous. Much better to attack others continuously than to admit there was ever anything one had not mastered.
 

werepossum

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Puerto Rico's infrastructure was crap before the hurricanes. So it's really no big surprise it failed so completely. Yes, improvements are needed...huge improvements. And now for the $64 question...who's going to pay for it?
The American taxpayer, of course. One of the most fundamentally American principles should be that Americans take care of Americans, especially if they are served by incompetent leaders.

Given Puerto Rico's vulnerability, this is an excellent opportunity to move their electrical grid underground, at least serving key urban areas. We should also set up hardened bunkers for staging cargo helicopters and planes, which would be useful for serving not only Puerto Rico but also the surrounding islands.
 
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