MBM5 with A8N-SLI Deluxe

[RY62]

After finally getting some time to tweak MBM5 for my A8N-SLI Deluxe, I've pretty much got it doing everything I want but I still have a couple of questions.

In this pic MBM vs Everest you can see that the hard drive temp, volts, and fan speeds match up with those reported by Everest (the actual volts, measured with a digital multimeter, were 3.35, 5.14, and 12.13 but this is close enough).

My first question has to do with the temps. I set MBM temp one as CPU and temp two as Motherboard because they matched what was reported by ASUS Probe. I wasn't sure what was being reported by temp three (I had hoped one of these would be the NF4 chip but disconnecting that fan doesn't cause any of these to rise). When I checked Everest, it shows the CPU temp to match MBM temp three and Aux temp for MBM temp one. The interesting thing is that when I run a program to put the cpu to full load, temp one and temp three both rise about 3 to 4 degrees. This makes me question which is the actual cpu temp? I would assume the one reported by ASUS Probe would be right but then what is Everest measuring for cpu temp?

Next question...is there any way to read the ram voltage for this board with MBM5? I couldn't get any of the sensors to show it and it's not shown by Everest so I'm guessing there is no sensor for it. ASUS Probe shows it but I think it's probably just reporting the value set in the bios?.

 

[steamnputer]

To answer your first question the actual cpu temp is #3 yes. Your temp swing seems alittle low but that depends on a number of things, including your bios and how and when you start the computer.

I am not familiar with MBM nor have I every used it, but when I run p95 i typically run around 47C with a aftermarket cooler on meduim to low speed at stock clocking. It idles around 36C and I see on average a 6 degree swing on a normal load. These new AMDs run alot cooler then there old models, esp the 90 nm. its quite possible to only get a few degree swing depending upon what you are running.

As far as I know the only place you can see the voltage is what its set to in aibooster or in the bios. Its not shown in ASUS probe.....

I have a question as to which hard drive you have as I see you are registering a temp, wereas mine does not never really noticed that before my assumption being because it SATA and not IDE.

 

[RY62]

Thanks for the response. I was pretty certain there was no way to monitor the ram volts but that's not a big deal.

As for the cpu temps, I'm running an xp90 cooler with a 92mm Panaflo and everything is at stock right now. I'm pretty sure temp one and temp three are both tied to the cpu temp somehow since they both seem to rise and fall with cpu load though temp three seems to respond quicker. I'm wondering if Asus put 2 temp probes under the socket in anticipation of dual core processors? If that were the case it would stand to reason that they'd both read the same on a single core. Oh well, either way it's plenty cool. I'll be adding a Matrix Orbital LCD with temp probes pretty soon so I'll be able to do some compares.

The hard drive is a 200 gig Seagate IDE. I'm running it with a HighPoint sata converter on the nVidia sata controller and SMART is enabled in the bios. I wasn't sure that MBM would pick it up with this config but, when I set it to scan for IDE drives and restarted, the drive model showed up in the list of temp sensors.

 

[steamnputer]

I thought it was ide, your second temp you are reading is the winbond controller(mobo in asus probe). It reads considerable different on mine like 10 degrees, but bios depending you might be seeing some other effects with voltage, If you OC this board it seems to read off on the temps, I think its the voltage but I can't really prove it. 1004 bios seems to be the most accurate temps to date.

The reason your heat load is not increaseing is becuase you have a really good cooling system.

have you tried p95 at all?

 

[RY62]

I went through all the different bios revs in January and Feb and I'm on the 1007-003 right now. I don't really remember much difference in the temps with any of them. My voltages were a little unstable on a few of the bios revs.

Yeah, If I leave P95 torture test running with large FFTs it'll warm up a bit. With room themp at 72 F, system temp difference is:

Idle- Cpu 33, Mobo 31, Temp3 25
Priming- Cpu 38, Mobo 31, Temp3 32

The Cpu sensor rises 5c and the temp3 sensor rises 7c. That's about as warm as it gets running stock. Overclocking doesn't cause much more of a rise until I raise the volts.

BTW If anyone wants to try MBM5, it doesn't support the A8N_SLI without some tweaking but it works really well when you get it set up. To set it up, get the latest version at http://mbm.livewiredev.com/ Go through the install but cancel when it gets to the part where you choose your motherboard. After a reboot, you'll need to edit the voltage.ini file that's located in the C:\Program Files\Motherboard Monitor 5\Data folder. Open it with notepad, scroll down the list until you find the section marked [ITE8712F]. There should be a number 13 just below it. Change that 13 to a 14 so it looks like this

[ITE8712F]
VT=14

Continue scrolling down and you'll see 13 entries that look similar to the entry below. Paste these lines in as the 14th entry, save the file and you should be good to go.

V14=Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe
V14V1=$20*0.016 // Vcore1
V14V2=255
V14V3=$22*0.016 // +3.3
V14V4=$23*0.016*1.68 // +5.00
V14V5=$24*0.016*4.00 // +12.00
V14V6=$25*0.016*-1.68 // -5.00 ??
v14v7=$27*0.016*1.68 // 5v standby
V14V8=$28*0.016 // v Battery


Fire up the program and go to the settings. For the temps, the cpu uses sensor ITE8712F-1, mobo is ITE8712F-2, and temp3 is ITE8712F-3.

For the volts, if the editing went good, you should be able to scroll down the list in the voltage configuation and select the Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe for each of the first 7 voltage sensors. Adjust the alarm and visual settings.

To display hard drive temps, if supported by your drives, go to the Basic section of the General settings page, scroll down and check to scan for drives with sensors. You'll need to restart MBM5, go to the temperature section, select one of the unused MBM5 sensors, and in the should display board sensor box select your hard drive model from the list.

I'm pretty sure this should get everything going to where you can adjust the dashboard and monitoring options to your liking.

Edited: Now has -5v working...Battery working on correct sensor

 

[mofrack]

Thanks RY62, for all the info on setting up MBM5 for the A8N boards!

This should be stickied if possible...

 

[steamnputer]

Originally posted by: RY62
Yeah, If I leave P95 torture test running with large FFTs it'll warm up a bit. With room themp at 72 F, system temp difference is:

Idle- Cpu 33, Mobo 31, Temp3 25
Priming- Cpu 38, Mobo 31, Temp3 32

The Cpu sensor rises 5c and the temp3 sensor rises 7c. That's about as warm as it gets running stock. Overclocking doesn't cause much more of a rise until I raise the volts.


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your right in there with me, save my mobo is always 5 degress hotter at idle, I don't think that the third sensor exists, if it does its not in my case because my ambient in my case is around 30C and my third sensor shows 23C. Not possible, loose or not made connections with thermal sensors can give false readings, albiet usally very very high or very very low.

at 1001 mhz 201 htt idle load voltage on auto (1.1 ish)
34 cpu
36 mobo
23 on aux which is cooler then my ambient air and case air(not possible)

with p95 normal cpu ultilatzation 100% (1.39V) after about 5 minutes.
fans are up some but not over 1/4 or 25%
47 cpu
39 mobo
32 on aux (again i don't know why it would go up unless like you said they are placing it for another die)

steamnputer

 

[tretneo]

BTW If anyone wants to try MBM5, it doesn't support the A8N_SLI without some tweaking but it works really well when you get it set up. To set it up, get the latest version at http://mbm.livewiredev.com/ Go through the install but cancel when it gets to the part where you choose your motherboard. After a reboot, you'll need to edit the voltage.ini file that's located in the C:\Program Files\Motherboard Monitor 5\Data folder. Open it with notepad, scroll down the list until you find the section marked [ITE8712F]. There should be a number 13 just below it. Change that 13 to a 14 so it looks like this

RY62,

This is really cool, I like MBM5 but haven't been able to get it to work with the newer mobo's. I will try this out with my A8N-SLI board, thanks. I also have the MSI K8N Neo 4 Platinum SLI board and was wondering if the same code you provided for the Asus board will work with the MSI as well. Thanks again for the input.

tret

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: tretneo
RY62,

This is really cool, I like MBM5 but haven't been able to get it to work with the newer mobo's. I will try this out with my A8N-SLI board, thanks. I also have the MSI K8N Neo 4 Platinum SLI board and was wondering if the same code you provided for the Asus board will work with the MSI as well. Thanks again for the input.

tret

I'm not sure about the MSI. If they're using the same sensor I/O chip ( they probably are) I would guess that the temp sensors would be ok but the voltage sensors would likely laid out different. A little bit of editing would get it working but I don't have access to that board so someone else will have try.

Post back to let me know how that works on your Asus. If anything is not right I can help with that.

I edited my previous post because the value for the battery was just a bit off. I had corrected it on my system but had forgotten to correct it in my notes. As it is now, all of the volts should match up when compared to AsusProbe or Everest.

 

[RY62]

To make the install much quicker and easier, I zipped up my pre-configured MBM data folder.

As before, get Motherboard Monitor at http://mbm.livewiredev.com/

Get my Data folder here --> Data Folder

Install MBM and cancel the install when it asks you to choose your motherboard.

Reboot your computer, delete the data folder from C:\Program Files\Motherboard Monitor 5, and replace it with the Data folder in the zip.

When you start MBM, The Dashboard will already be configured for the A8N SLI Deluxe. MBM will be set to start with Windows, display temps as as a tray icon, and record the high and low readings for all sensors while it is running.

I left the alarms off because you might want higher or lower alarm thresholds than I use and it only takes a minute to set them.

Hard drive temp monitiring is also off. You'll need to set that for your drives, if they support monitoring.

I leave MBM running all the time. It uses very low resources and with the alarms on, it will let me know if any temps or volts get out of spec or if a fan has a problem. I also like the High/Low recording so I can check to see how high the cpu temp got while I was gaming away for hours. :thumbsup:

For anyone that hasn't used MBM before, read through the help file or just right click on the temp icons in the tray to get started.

 

[RY62]

I apologize to anybody that might have setup using these instructions before this post. I have edited the instructions above and re-uploaded my Data folder because I finally got the -12v and -5v sensors figured out. I also got the sensor arrangement corrected for the battery to display properly. Everything is working as it should now.

 

[imported_nash]

Hi I'm new to this particular forum, but glad i stubbled across the thread for monitoring the A8N - during initial overclocking I couldn't find a single piece of software willing to give accurate values - good work. Any updates to the effort would be appreciated.

Cheeeeeeers

 

[ShoNuff]

RY62, good job Bro. I was actually using the wrong sensors for my board previoulsy. I was using "Temp 3" for my mobo and the mobo sensor for my CPU. It's all good now.

Using your configs my volts are off based on the way I had MBM set up before. I used a multimeter to adjust my 12v rail (for example) to 12.20v. It read 11.98 - 12.02 in MBM before. Now it reads 11.71 - 11.84. Why was it necessary to change the VT value from 13 to 14 at the [ITE8712F] sensor?

Again, great work and thank you for sharing your findings.

 

[imported_grinch]

bump

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: ShoNuff

Using your configs my volts are off based on the way I had MBM set up before. I used a multimeter to adjust my 12v rail (for example) to 12.20v. It read 11.98 - 12.02 in MBM before. Now it reads 11.71 - 11.84. Why was it necessary to change the VT value from 13 to 14 at the [ITE8712F] sensor?

I tried to set up the I/O chip to a standard configuration. This way, the volts should match up exactly with the readings you would get from AsusProbe, Everest, Speedfan, or any other standard monitoring app.

I'm assuming that, when you were using the multimeter, you were checking the power supply voltage at a molex or at the ATX plug. The main reason the volts seem to be off is that the sensor chip is not monitoring your power supply. The chip is monitoring the voltage at it's location, below the SATA ports, on the motherboard. The drop in reported voltage could be due to resistance through the board (which can increase with temperature), electical noise, work load, or other factors.

Measuring my rails, at the ATX plug, I get 12.13, 5.14, and 3.35. My battery measures out at 3.20. These readings do not vary at all on the multimeter however, all of the standard monitoring apps show me at 11.90 - 11.97, 5.00 - 5.03, 3.26 - 3.31, and 3.07 for the battery. That's not much of a difference from the multimeter and most likely pretty accurate at the point of measurement (the sensor chip).

MBM5 can be tweaked to show you whatever reading makes you feel good but I prefer to leave it at standard. This gives me what I feel is a pretty accurate reading of the motherboard voltage. If something doesn't look right or I'm curious about the power supply voltage I'll measure it at the power supply.

If you'd like MBM to more closely reflect your power supply readings, try making some changes in the voltage.ini file. For example, you could try changing the 12v line from V14V5=$24*0.016*4.00 // +12.00 to V14V5=$24*0.01628*4.00 // +12.00 Save the changes in the edited voltage.ini file and click apply on the settings screen in MBM5. Your +12v reading in the dashboard should rise up closer to the multimeter reading.

The reason for changing VT value from 13 to 14 is that there were originally 13 configuration entries under the [ITE8712F] section...when you add the configuration for the A8N-SLI, there are 14 entries.

 

[Rustler]

Excellent work RY62, I got MBM 5 and added your data file and all is good.

 

[windowman]

Why not just use pcprobe? Did yours go out too? Or do you like MBM 5 better?
If you pcprobes not working here is a fix for it.

Guys...at last this problem has been fixed. I got all the advices from the PC Perspective Forum. The probe now runs fine with my mobo. Make a bootable floppy. Copy the awdflash version 1.1 and the BIOS file in the floppy. When updating use this command below:
awdflash 1007sd.bin /CP /CD (u can use any version of the bios, I just used 1007).
It will update the BIOS and after updating the probe will run fine again. For further details check this out :
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=390430

you can use 1.08 of awdflash but if you do want the 1.11 version it is zipped up with the 1008 bios, and you can get it here.

ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/ASUSCOM/BIOS/S...IA_Chipset/nForce4_SLI/A8N-SLI_Deluxe/

 

[RY62]

I use MBM5 mainly because it has an LCDC plug-in to send all the info to my Matrix Orbital LCD. Matrix Orbital MX4

Aside from that, I do like it better than any of the other programs I've used.

 

[Legolas2]

Originally posted by: RY62
....
BTW If anyone wants to try MBM5, it doesn't support the A8N_SLI without some tweaking but it works really well when you get it set up. To set it up, get the latest version at http://mbm.livewiredev.com/ Go through the install but cancel when it gets to the part where you choose your motherboard. After a reboot, you'll need to edit the voltage.ini file that's located in the C:\Program Files\Motherboard Monitor 5\Data folder. Open it with notepad, scroll down the list until you find the section marked [ITE8712F]. There should be a number 13 just below it. Change that 13 to a 14 so it looks like this

[ITE8712F]
VT=14

Continue scrolling down and you'll see 13 entries that look similar to the entry below. Paste these lines in as the 14th entry, save the file and you should be good to go.

V14=Asus A8N-SLI Deluxe
V14V1=$20*0.016 // Vcore1
V14V2=255
V14V3=$22*0.016 // +3.3
V14V4=$23*0.016*1.68 // +5.00
V14V5=$24*0.016*4.00 // +12.00
V14V6=$25*0.016*-1.68 // -5.00 ??
v14v7=$27*0.016*1.68 // 5v standby
V14V8=$28*0.016 // v Battery

I have a Asus A8V-E MoBo. Will the above changes be applicable? and/or how do I
tweak to make MoBo Monitor to work w/ A8V-E?

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: Legolas2
I have a Asus A8V-E MoBo. Will the above changes be applicable? and/or how do I
tweak to make MoBo Monitor to work w/ A8V-E?

It's highly unlikely that these settings would work. They are specific to the A8N-SLI Deluxe.

To set up MBM for your board, you would need to first find out which monitoring chip it uses. The sensor section in Everest should list it. In my example, the A8N-SLI uses the ITE 8712F. You would then need to figure out what the chip is able to monitor. You can check your bios and the monitoring programs that came with your board to see what they are monitoring. After that, you'd need to edit the specific section of the voltage.ini file that pertains to your monitoring chip and add an entry for your board. finally there is a good bit of trial and error as you figure out which of the available voltage sensors are monitoring each of the voltages and calibrate them.

That would get you running to the point that you could configure the temp sensors, fans, hardrives, alarms, etc. from within the program.

It's not very difficult for me to do it, if I have the system to work with, but it's almost impossible for me to talk you through it.

 

[Legolas2]

Originally posted by: RY62

Originally posted by: Legolas2
I have a Asus A8V-E MoBo. Will the above changes be applicable? and/or how do I
tweak to make MoBo Monitor to work w/ A8V-E?

It's highly unlikely that these settings would work. They are specific to the A8N-SLI Deluxe.

To set up MBM for your board, you would need to first find out which monitoring chip it uses. The sensor section in Everest should list it. In my example, the A8N-SLI uses the ITE 8712F. You would then need to figure out what the chip is able to monitor. You can check your bios and the monitoring programs that came with your board to see what they are monitoring. After that, you'd need to edit the specific section of the voltage.ini file that pertains to your monitoring chip and add an entry for your board. finally there is a good bit of trial and error as you figure out which of the available voltage sensors are monitoring each of the voltages and calibrate them.

That would get you running to the point that you could configure the temp sensors, fans, hardrives, alarms, etc. from within the program.

It's not very difficult for me to do it, if I have the system to work with, but it's almost impossible for me to talk you through it.

Oh Well, I have to take care of other issues first.... I will get back to hacking this later

 

[muoot]

What about the A8N-E? Will these tweaks work for it?

>>> tried it and it worked!

Thanks!


So where does the data from Temp 3 come from?

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: muoot
What about the A8N-E? Will these tweaks work for it?

>>> tried it and it worked!

Thanks!


So where does the data from Temp 3 come from?

Temp three = cpu diode temp

I'm sure temp three is reading the on chip diode from the cpu since that temp rises and falls very quickly, based on cpu load. At first I wasn't sure why it reported lower than temp one, which Asus says is the cpu temp, but I think I've got that figured out now.

I think the reason the diode temp seems too low is that it's not taking into account the thermal offset for the cpu. If you check in Central Brain Identifier, cbid750.zip , click the Mobility button followed by the P_States drop down button, it shows the thermal offset for your cpu. The thermal offset for each cpu is different and mine is 13c. If I add that 13 degrees to the temp reported by temp three in MBM it seems to be a very accurate measurement of cpu temp. If I leave the cpu at 100% load long enough temp one will be just about equal to temp three + 13c offset.

Since I believe it to be more accurate and definately quicker to respond, I have setup temp three in Motherboard Monitor for my cpu temp monitoring. Motherboard Monitor has a temp sensor compensation option to add the thermal offset and display it accordingly.

I don't know where ASUS is getting their cpu temp from but I'm sure it's not from the cpu diode because it reacts too slowly.

 

[RY62]

Anyone that is using MBM5 should check this thread http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6798 , at DFI street. There is info in that thread to get MBM5 to monitor GPU temps for ATI and nVidia cards.

 

[ShoNuff]

Originally posted by: RY62
Anyone that is using MBM5 should check this thread http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6798 , at DFI street. There is info in that thread to get MBM5 to monitor GPU temps for ATI and nVidia cards.

Ha, I was coming here to update this thread and you beat me to it. I now have the premium board and mbm works perfectly. The gpu ambient and core temps are a nice touch as well.

RY62 do you know what temp 3 (ITE8712F-3) is reporting? It is the one that reads significantly higher than the others most of the time. Is it the PWMIC?

Again, great work and thank you!