McCain Wins

[cwjerome]

I hear it daily and it seems there's no stopping the Obamarama Express. Even I think he'll win.

BUT...

It kinda got me thinking about the severity of the "what if?" If the Dems can't win this one, what's it say about the party? The people? The USA? What would be the impact of a McCain win on American politics?

 

[jpeyton]

McCain will walk into a lame duck Presidency. The Democrats are controlling Congress for the near future.

 

[bamacre]

The Obama and Hillary supporters will blame each other. The division will further empower the Republicans.

The Republican party will sink further away from their small-government, fiscally responsible ideals.

War with Iran?

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
McCain will walk into a lame duck Presidency. The Democrats are controlling Congress for the near future.

I agree. Even if he doesn't intend to be Bush the 3rd, the same dynamic of the Bush Administration versus this Democratic Congress will remain and it will effectively play out as if Bush were in office for a 3rd term.

 

[Tab]

I'd lose my faith in humanity.

 

[ProfJohn]

McCain could end up being a very successful President.

The Democrats should control congress and will most likely expand their majorities in both the Senate and House.

McCain however has a history of working with Democrats to get things done. This means we could have a President that reaches out to both sides and hammers out compromises to get things done.

Remember that almost everything meaningful that happened under the Clinton admin happened after the Republicans took control of congress. Clinton actually betrayed a lot of Democrat principles in order to work with Republicans and get things done. McCain could do the same thing with Republican values.

 

[Genx87]

Nothing, only that people liked McCain over the democrat nominee. You look at the possibilities and it boggles the mind that this is the best our nation can put forth for leader of our country?

 

[sportage]

I dont think it would be that bad.
McCain has no problem working with liberals for common goals.
McCain knows war, unlike Bush/Cheney. McCain is realistic.
McCain expects the best and results from his people, unlike Bush who rewards stupidy.
McCain might just close down the war, or redirect it to the real threat that pulled off 9/11.
McCain listens to people. McCain is more of a problem for Republican's than Democrats.
I think McCain is putting on an act. He kissed up to Bush after 2000 to get where he is today. It paid off. It left a bad taste in his mouth, but it did pay off.
I think the republican same-o would have much more to fear from McCain than
any democrat. McCain has been very out spoken and angry at republican tricks than anything else, including anger towards Bush and how Bush has handled the war.

But play it safe and vote Obama. Why gamble.

 

[senseamp]

4 years of lame duck McCain doing nothing but getting blamed for everything and continued Democrat gains in Congress. Certainly not bad for the Democratic party.

 

[magomago]

I don't know if I want gridlock at a time like this. Gridlock usually stops everything and the situation doesn't change. That is good if things are going fine and you don't want a president or congress to fark it up. To want to have things as they are right now stay static is a HUGE mistake for us as American people. Change (no pun intended for Obama in this regard) IS needed and gridlock would simply extend all the current problems

 

[Jhhnn]

Meh. I hope it doesn't happen. No matter how much McCain's supporters try to distance him from the Bush Admin, the sad truth is that he'd still just be a part of the repub machine, and that machine's greatest achievement so far has been the Bush presidency and Repub controlled Congress. Their accomplishments aren't accidental, but rather a matter of of policy, with neocons running the foreign policy establishment and proponents of explosive concentration of wealth and corporate welfare running the fiscal and economic side of things. Thinking that he'd be much different is like trying to drink whiskey from a bottle of wine...

Or thinking that putting lipstick on a pig means it's no longer a pig...

 

[Zebo]

I think McCain will be a real uniter unlike his predecessor. He works well with democrats and compromises well. I think Obama will have virtually every piece of legislation filibustered by recalcitrant Republicans in the beginning, then, after a year or so he will get some less ambitious stuff through. Both seem more easy going than Hillary or W so I could see both having excellent terms assuming economy holds steady.

 

[Red Dawn]

If McCain were to lay into Bush and truthfully criticize all his and his administrations failures and explain why he'd do better he might pull it off. It's not so much that Americans like Obama better than McCain, they are just afraid that if elected McCain would continue Bushes destructive policies.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If McCain were to lay into Bush and truthfully criticize all his and his administrations failures and explain why he'd do better he might pull it off. It's not so much that Americans like Obama better than McCain, they are just afraid that if elected McCain would continue Bushes destructive policies.

The only problem with that is that he'd lose the Bush Faithful, apparently 20-25% of the electorate, the true Republican base. Well, other than the uber-wealthy few who finance the thinktanks to create the pablum that keeps 'em in thrall...

He'd have to do a 180, anyway, seeing as how he's on record for more taxcuts at the top, bigger military, staying the course in Iraq...

He's pretty much snakebit, near as I can tell- if he wins, it pretty much means that the whole country is snakebit, too...

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: Tab
I'd lose my faith in humanity.

You have faith in it now? wow.. I'll have what he's having, it must be strong stuff.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
If McCain were to lay into Bush and truthfully criticize all his and his administrations failures and explain why he'd do better he might pull it off. It's not so much that Americans like Obama better than McCain, they are just afraid that if elected McCain would continue Bushes destructive policies.

Agreed, up to a point. He cannot go too far or he'll lose the base of his party. Clinton has provided a lot of ammo he can use against Obama too.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: woodie1
Clinton has provided a lot of ammo he can use against Obama too.

Provided? You mean spent.

The Wright issue already played out; Obama polled down, and now he's back up. Bitter? Again, he polled down, but now he's back up.

I'm sure McCain wishes he had Wright and bitter in his back pocket for an October surprise, but now they'll have to go digging.

 

[Superrock]

Comparing McCain to what many historians agree was the worst president in history is setting the bar too low.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: woodie1
Clinton has provided a lot of ammo he can use against Obama too.

Provided? You mean spent.

The Wright issue already played out; Obama polled down, and now he's back up. Bitter? Again, he polled down, but now he's back up.

I'm sure McCain wishes he had Wright and bitter in his back pocket for an October surprise, but now they'll have to go digging.

I don't think either the Wright or 'Bitter' issue has run its course. Time will tell.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Riots would break out. Remember when Bush was inaugurated for the second time? The traditional limo drive to the white house was canceled because eggs were thrown at his limo.

It was awesome

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: woodie1
Clinton has provided a lot of ammo he can use against Obama too.

Provided? You mean spent.

The Wright issue already played out; Obama polled down, and now he's back up. Bitter? Again, he polled down, but now he's back up.

I'm sure McCain wishes he had Wright and bitter in his back pocket for an October surprise, but now they'll have to go digging.

I don't think either the Wright or 'Bitter' issue has run its course. Time will tell.

The Wright and 'bitter' issues are with us till the end.

The NC ad is just the start of what will most likely be a few dozen similar ads in swing states across the country. And like the Swiftboat ads these will be run by outside groups with no ties to McCain so McCain can sit back and talk about how he doesn't like the ads etc etc.

And if you think such ads are in bad taste may I remind you of the ads run by the NAACP against Bush that showed chains being dragged behind a truck while the daughter of James Byrd says:

On June 7, 1998 in Texas my father was killed. He was beaten, chained, and then dragged 3 miles to his death, all because he was black.

So when Governor George W. Bush refused to support hate-crime legislation, it was like my father was killed all over again.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: woodie1
Clinton has provided a lot of ammo he can use against Obama too.

Provided? You mean spent.

The Wright issue already played out; Obama polled down, and now he's back up. Bitter? Again, he polled down, but now he's back up.

I'm sure McCain wishes he had Wright and bitter in his back pocket for an October surprise, but now they'll have to go digging.

I don't think either the Wright or 'Bitter' issue has run its course. Time will tell.

Polling shows they both ran their course. The GOP will expectedly re-hash them, but these attacks succeed on the backs of free media coverage (especially in the case of McCain, who will be running at a huge financial disadvantage).

The media threw Wright and bitter under the bus a week ago.

Meanwhile, what the GOP should really be worried about is the record voter turnout and registration numbers we're seeing this year. High turnout is Republican kryptonite, and the 2008 elections are set to break all-time records in all states.

Just wait until the first head-to-head televised national debate. Once McCain opens his mouth about Iraq, the Bush tax-cuts, and GOP fiscal policy, it's all over.

 

[shocksyde]

I'm a pretty hardcore Obama supporter, but I wouldn't mind too much if McCain won. As stated by others in the thread, he's been historically bipartisan.

I don't see McCain winning, though.

 

[piasabird]

McCain is a Maverick. He does not like Earmarks and he will not put up stupid bills being sent to the president to sign. Plus McCain would get to select supreme court judges. A few of them could drop dead while he is in office. Even if he replaces only one it would be a major setback to the Ultra Liberals. You may find McCain is a lot harder to deal with than you think.

On the other hand Obama is just a Black Copy of Hillary Clinton. They are both Liberal Lawyers.

 

[Robor]

McCain was on Jon Stewart last week and stated he wasn't going to be a part of 'politics as usual' with his campaign in the GE. I was glad to hear that. He then went on to rehash the 'Hamas supports Obama' deal. Pathetic.

Keep on promoting that 'we're in it to win it' policy on Iraq and taunting Iran. Please keep it up, Johnny.