McDonalds answer to $15/hr min wages

[Ns1]

Maybe not $3, but I gave examples of jobs that would open up if allowed to pay wages lower than the current minimum wage: A paperboy who spends a couple hours tossing papers on the way to school. A bed-ridden person licking-and-sticking envelopes/stamps. You are also dead wrongs. The types of jobs it would serve are hard to imagine because the current minimum wage ensures that they don't currently exist.

This article kinda touches on some of your points.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/comm...afe-will-serve-up-jobs-a-sense-of-purpose.ece

 

[waggy]

Maybe not $3, but I gave examples of jobs that would open up if allowed to pay wages lower than the current minimum wage: A paperboy who spends a couple hours tossing papers on the way to school. A bed-ridden person licking-and-sticking envelopes/stamps. You are also dead wrongs. The types of jobs it would serve are hard to imagine because the current minimum wage ensures that they don't currently exist.


...and this here is the big issues. Minimum wage was NEVER supposed to be for people who are trying to stay alive on minimum wage alone. Why does a twice-retired person with three paychecks who only works to stay busy need a "living wage?" Why does the wife who's husband makes $100K who works a part time job to have some extra spending money she can spend on gifts and such need a wage that she could "stay alive" on? It's a LAUGHABLE misconception but people keep fallign back to it OVER AND OVER AND OVER again. People working minimum wage are not working minimum wage because they have to. They are working minimum wage because they DON'T have to work any harder... until it stops being enough to survive on when combined with government assistance and such. Understand?

you know what? i agree mostly..

i mentioned this in the article that was posted about disabled getting like $.20 an hour. people were going on and on about how they should be paid min wage. the place was to the point of ending the program because of the people bitching.

What most didn't get is those who were working weren't doing it for the money (also considering they were on SSDI they really couldn't earn it..). They were doing it to socialize. to feel like a "real" person. It was more therapy then a job. But peoples bitching and complaining may have ended the program.

 

[bozack]

Consider, as an example, that a single Employee can provide a Multi page Colour with Graphics Report to be distributed amongst any number of people. Such a feat required Multiple personnel and usually sending it off to other Company's to complete just 40 years ago. The Efficiency and Capablity of a single Worker is dramatically greater than what existed. Even back then Corporations and Businesses made Profits, their Owners were Wealthy, their Employees enjoyed good Wages given the Cost of Living at the time.

Again, 40 years ago there were far fewer people competing for jobs, a larger amount of trades jobs which didn't require advanced degrees that paid well enough, and far less competition in the marketplace.

Doesn't matter, companies will move to automate and more service sector jobs will disappear.

 

[Vic]

Maybe not $3, but I gave examples of jobs that would open up if allowed to pay wages lower than the current minimum wage: A paperboy who spends a couple hours tossing papers on the way to school. A bed-ridden person licking-and-sticking envelopes/stamps. The types of jobs it would serve are hard to imagine because the current minimum wage ensures that they don't currently exist.

Those jobs are never coming back for the same reason that the guy who used to wrap the leather around the buggy whip is never getting his job back either.
Minimum wage has nothing to do with it. Why do we need paper boys when there's the internet? Why would anyone who is going to send out a large volume of mail need stamp and envelope lickers when there's Pitney Bowes?
They're not bringing back the guy at the auto factories who used to spin the wing nut on top of the air filter either. Not because of the minimum wage, but because the job is technologically obsolete at any wage.

 

[OverVolt]

Those jobs are never coming back for the same reason that the guy who used to wrap the leather around the buggy whip is never getting his job back either.
Minimum wage has nothing to do with it. Why do we need paper boys when there's the internet? Why would anyone who is going to send out a large volume of mail need stamp and envelope lickers when there's Pitney Bowes?
They're not bringing back the guy at the auto factories who used to spin the wing nut on top of the air filter either. Not because of the minimum wage, but because the job is technologically obsolete at any wage.

It may be technologically obsolete but having unemployed people sitting around all day isn't efficient either. Poor people have alot of underutilized potential that we pay to support.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

It may be technologically obsolete but having unemployed people sitting around all day isn't efficient either. Poor people have alot of underutilized potential that we pay to support.

As what, slaves waiting hand and foot on the masters? You want to create bullshit jobs that aren't needed so we can say someone is employed?

The answer is obvious, shorter work weeks.

 

[Vic]

Actually, I believe the obvious answer is education. We need to keep the workforce above the rising level of technological obsolescence as much as possible. We've been failing in that regard for a couple of generations now and we're starting to pay the price.

 

[Vic]

It may be technologically obsolete but having unemployed people sitting around all day isn't efficient either. Poor people have alot of underutilized potential that we pay to support.

I agree. It's not only inefficient, it's ripping our society apart.

 

[waggy]

It may be technologically obsolete but having unemployed people sitting around all day isn't efficient either. Poor people have alot of underutilized potential that we pay to support.

sure. how you going to tap into that? education? we don't need more college educated unemployed. How about training in jobs that we need? I have read there is a shortage of plumbers, electricians, skilled construction etc.

 

[PokerGuy]

Actually, I believe the obvious answer is education. We need to keep the workforce above the rising level of technological obsolescence as much as possible. We've been failing in that regard for a couple of generations now and we're starting to pay the price.

That's been the direction for decades, that education will keep the work force valuable. That's true to an extent, but only if that education results in people being better equipped to do something that is valued. More people getting useless degrees doesn't improve anything, their skills are still going to be just as obsolete in the marketplace.

I'm really not sure what the answer is in the long run. I've always thought education was the key, but that might only be a partial solution.

 

[Jaskalas]

Replace college with real education, aka a more direct job training.
That might leave a few more people employed until automated labor really kicks in.

 

[Wordplay]

I can see kiosks working in suburban communities but not in ghettos. Put those kiosks in Detroit and I guarantee, not even a month later, they will be broken.

 

[DrunkenSano]

I can see kiosks working in suburban communities but not in ghettos. Put those kiosks in Detroit and I guarantee, not even a month later, they will be broken.

Give the kiosks the ability to defend themselves. :twisted:

All hail Skynet.

 

[PokerGuy]

Replace college with real education, aka a more direct job training.
That might leave a few more people employed until automated labor really kicks in.

I think people still view automation as something that can be used to replace "low skill" mechanical jobs. We're all in for a harsh and rude awakening when AI systems start replacing "good" jobs like accountants, doctors etc. The hard truth is that as computing power continues to increase and better algorithms are developed, there are very few jobs that an artificial intelligence system couldn't do better than humans down the line. Bus drivers? Nah. Taxis? Nah. Pilots? Nah. Radiologists? Nah.... and so forth. I really wonder how society is going to handle that kind of paradigm shift.

 

[TXHokie]

I can see kiosks working in suburban communities but not in ghettos. Put those kiosks in Detroit and I guarantee, not even a month later, they will be broken.

Pay kiosk technicians $15/hr.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Pay kiosk technicians $15/hr.

They are certainly worth $15/hr more than the idiots that get your orders wrong and have the people skills of a warthog.

 

[Ns1]

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