MCSE Certificates..what do you guys use?

Slappy5

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www.2000exams.com, handy. Wouldn't know entirely how effective it is since I haven't yet taken the test, but it seems fairly comprehensive as far as mock tests and answer descriptions are concerned.

John
 

warcleric

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real experience.....but then most potential MCSE's think this is unnecessary in the making of a real admin.
 

Slappy5

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Welp, I admined some Labs in UTEP (El Paso) but have no real paper to back me up. So in this case, I have experience before the certificate, and it is just as difficult to work with.
 

warcleric

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slappy: by "just as difficult to work with" I hope you dont mean that the tests were still tough with experience. I mean I walked in a passed all the tests fine without any study time just off of what I believe to be common knowledge among real admins. Maybe a little study time for the TCP/IP test with the OSI model but that is about it, and that was just review.
 

Slappy5

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Warcleric, unfortuantely I don't have a massive amount of experience so the tests aren't exactly coming as second nature to me. My Admining experience was only for a few months, and since moving from there I am finding it difficult to reproduce such a job opportunity. I can say I might pass a few tests if I were to take them today, but it would be a close shave. And being that I have a family to support now, I don't have the option of devoting my time to xyz's IT department on anything but an immediately prosperous basis (ie, a job that pays.) Kind of feeling my way along here...
 

MrChicken

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First: Troytechs arent a study guide, they are a cheat sheet. Use them like they say and you will pass. Whether or not you want to know how to do anything with NT is up to you and your employer. You'd never get past an interview with me if all you did was troys. Many places would hire and then fire you. If you know your stuff and use Troy to make sure before you drop the $100 for test, hey that's cool.

Second: I may believe that it's possible to pass a MS cert test without studying, but I would sure like to see it. I've taken a dozen of them myself, and I have found that the questions only represent real world scenarios in somebody elses (BillG.) world. I dont see how you could get the experience, particularly in networking that MS tests you on. For example, in the MS testing world, nobody makes a router that isnt built on a NT Server on box, same for dial in or VPN services. Most of those questions have an answer in the real world along the lines of "buy a cisco", instead of "build a PII with 128mb and 6 nics hooked to 12 port hubs...". I understand it is a test MS products, but who really builds an enterprise networks with NT servers as their routers?
The tests are really center on the exceptions rather than the mundane. It soes sort of make sense, anybody can run, design and fix a normal network, but it takes exceptional people to handle the bizzare, unique and just plain FU'd networks.
 
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