Md. forces Wal-Mart to spend more on health

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ANNAPOLIS, Md. - Maryland legislators voted Thursday to enact a first-in-the-nation requirement that Wal-Mart Stores Inc. spend more on employee health care. The measure, touted as a money-saver for the state-supported Medicaid program, takes effect despite the governor?s veto of the bill.

Labor unions have said they are seeking similar legislation this year in at least 30 other states. Supporters say the retailing giant unfairly takes advantage of taxpayer-funded health care plans because some workers can?t afford Wal-Mart?s health insurance.

?The taxpayers are giving a health-care subsidy to the largest retailer on earth,? argued Democratic Delegate Kumar Barve. The House and Senate, both controlled by Democrats, both notched the three-fifths margins needed to override a veto last May by Republican Gov. Robert Ehrlich.

The bill requires companies with more than 10,000 Maryland employees to spend at least 8 percent of their payroll on employee health care or pay the difference into the state?s Medicaid fund. Of the state?s large employers, only Wal-Mart spends less than 8 percent on health care.

The company employs about 17,000 Marylanders at more than 40 Wal-Mart and Sam?s Club stores, and about 1.3 million people nationwide.

Claims of ?a slippery slope?
Critics of the legislation called it a dangerous precedent that ultimately would cost Maryland jobs.

A Wal-Mart executive called the bill a poorly worded mandate for a single company. Wal-Mart spokeswoman Mia Masten said Thursday that the bill ?could be the beginning of a slippery slope.?

?We believe everyone should have access to affordable health insurance, although this legislation does nothing to accomplish that,? said Masten, who said the retailer may partially pull out of Maryland because of the bill.

She said Wal-Mart was unfairly singled out because of ?partisan politics? and that Medicaid?s problems go beyond the behavior of one company.

The veto override had been one of the session?s most intensely lobbied, with business groups taking out print ads supporting a veto and labor groups rallying and taking out their own ads siding with supporters.

The decision is being closely watched by labor unions and legislatures around the country.

?We expect that today?s vote will generate important momentum in many other state legislatures,? said Nu Wexler, a spokesman for Washington-based Wal-Mart Watch, which is funded by a union.

The unions have said the states they will focus on include Colorado, Connecticut and Washington.

Harsh words for retailer
Some Maryland Democrats had harsh words for Wal-Mart. ?Don?t dump your employees that you refuse to insure into our Medicaid system,? said the bill?s sponsor, Sen. Gloria Lawlah.

In the House, Delegate Anne Healey compared Wal-Mart to a schoolyard bully. But House Republican Leader George Edwards called the measure an unwarranted intrusion into private enterprise.

?If you don?t want to work for Wal-Mart, no one?s twisting your arms. Go somewhere else and work,? Edwards said.

The company is under legal pressures around the country.

In Pennsylvania, a judge this week approved a class-action lawsuit by employees who say the company pressured them to work off the clock. Last month, a California jury awarded workers $172 million for illegally denied lunch breaks, and Wal-Mart settled a similar Colorado case for $50 million.

The company is appealing the California verdict and may pursue an appeal of the class-action certification in Philadelphia. A spokeswoman for Wal-Mart, Sarah Clark, said a law like Maryland?s ?does nothing to help the 46 million uninsured individuals in this country.?

 

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?If you don?t want to work for Wal-Mart, no one?s twisting your arms. Go somewhere else and work,? Edwards said.

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Originally posted by: Zalez
This could be the start of a retail empire crumbling to the ground

This could be the start of 17,000 lost jobs in MD. Walmart will leave MD altogether before bowing down to this BS mandate.
 

Viper GTS

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Originally posted by: Crucial

This could be the start of 17,000 lost jobs in MD. Walmart will leave MD altogether before bowing down to this BS mandate.

More likely they'd cut down to under 10K, I doubt they'd pull out completely.

I'm not necessarily a Walmart fan but I do love that they don't take sh!t from anybody. You want to unionize your store? Fine, you don't have a store.

Capitalism at its best.

:thumbsup:

Viper GTS
 

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Originally posted by: Crucial
Originally posted by: Zalez
This could be the start of a retail empire crumbling to the ground

This could be the start of 17,000 lost jobs in MD. Walmart will leave MD altogether before bowing down to this BS mandate.

I would move to maryland for that.


Not that maryland would want me, or that I would offer them anything, of course, but just on principle.
 

Vic

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What I wonder is, why are those Maryland legislators blaming Wal-Mart, and not the medicaid legislation with the the loophole that they wrote? And I also wonder... do they suppose that those 17,000 Maryland citizens who work for Wal-Mart would have employer-paid health care.. if they were unemployed?
 

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to walmart its just 40 stores, a drop in the bucket. but when 17,000 maryland votors are looking to hold someone responsible for there lost jobs heads will roll.
looks like MD. is trying to bluff there way into a balanced budget. whether walmart calls that bluff or not will be another issue.
 

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Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
to walmart its just 40 stores, a drop in the bucket. but when 17,000 maryland votors are looking to hold someone responsible for there lost jobs heads will roll.
looks like MD. is trying to bluff there way into a balanced budget. whether walmart calls that bluff or not will be another issue.

Lost jobs? You do realize that when Walmart moves out, other retailers will move in or expand. Consumers need to buy their goods regardless if walmart is in the state or not.
 

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Eventually, Wal-Mart is going to have to pay decent wages and give benefits, or the unions will get in, and they will have to.

My dad went through it at his store many times and and my cousin has managed to keep the retail clerks union out for a total of 56 + years. It's not a huge place like a Wal-Mart, but if he can do it, and make money, Wal-Mart can too.

There are people working for my cousin that my dad hired over 33 years ago. Who would work at Wal-Mart for that long unless they were a big shot executive?
 

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Originally posted by: miri
Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
to walmart its just 40 stores, a drop in the bucket. but when 17,000 maryland votors are looking to hold someone responsible for there lost jobs heads will roll.
looks like MD. is trying to bluff there way into a balanced budget. whether walmart calls that bluff or not will be another issue.

Lost jobs? You do realize that when Walmart moves out, other retailers will move in or expand. Consumers need to buy their goods regardless if walmart is in the state or not.


You do realize that this law in effect will cause a lot less expansion in the retail space don't you? It will also hurt the poorer consumers the most as costs will go up across the board.

what you have here is in effect a tax. It will be buried in the cost of everything you buy. Wal-Mart is being used to wage a war by unions who have their hands deep into the pockets of many legislatures. These politicians feel they owe their jobs to union money and have no compunction in passing laws that benefit unions even at the cost of the poor.

Everyone likes to beat on Wal-Mart for the number of people who work for them but don't have full insurance coverage while at the same time ignoring the fact they insure more people than most of their retail competitors.

Health Coverage by an employer is not a right. In fact it probably is the second leading cause of why health coverage is so expensive. when individuals no longer paid directly for health care the costs were masked and they went up. Government passed laws are the leading cause of increased medical coverage.

My rates at work go up each year as the government mandates more and more requirements for coverage. Things that should obviously be elective are now mandatory. Would you believe that coverage is mandated in many cases for sexual performance medicines? How about coverage for plastic surgery - elective - not medically required - yup..

Their consumers will pay a heavy price for ****** like this. This is simply pandering to the unions. Hopefully their courts will toss this law.
 

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This is completely absurd, and will hopefully be shot down in the courts.
 

Balt

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Some Maryland Democrats had harsh words for Wal-Mart. ?Don?t dump your employees that you refuse to insure into our Medicaid system,? said the bill?s sponsor, Sen. Gloria Lawlah.

Nice way of phrasing that. :disgust:
 

waggy

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wow how can this be legal?

as others said health care is a benefit not a right. They agree to work at walmart for $x an hour. not $X+insurance. IF they want the benefit of having paid insurance go get a job that has it. It is not walmarts responsibility to do it for them.
 

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Originally posted by: Viper GTS

More likely they'd cut down to under 10K, I doubt they'd pull out completely.

I'm not necessarily a Walmart fan but I do love that they don't take sh!t from anybody. You want to unionize your store? Fine, you don't have a store.

Capitalism at its best.

:thumbsup:

Viper GTS

Really? You think that's capitalism "at its best?" I don't have a problem with it, but calling it capitalism "at its best" is an insult to capitalism.
 

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Just some persepective, approximately 5% of Wal-Mart's employees receive health care benefits through Medicaid. The national average is 4% for retail stores. The fact that Maryland democrat legislators were willing to craft a bill specifically to target a single employer shows a special kind of corruption I think.

This is a pure "hate Wal-Mart" bill and it will be interesting to see Wal-Mart's response. They were planning on building a distribution center in Annapolis but that is likely out the door now.
 

Linflas

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Wal-Mart should close every single business they have operating in the Peoples Republic of Maryland.
 
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