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Staples

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Glad to hear this. Wal Mart f*cks everyone else, glad to hear that someone is actually standing up to them and winning for once.

It is alarming to see at the people in here who don't seem to understand anything about anything.
 

Jadow

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Apparently, Maryland's Legislators disagree with you on a number of points. :shocked:[/quote]

Yup
 

Metron

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I hope other states follow suit, and local governments put a stop to the subsidies and tax abatements.
 

Ornery

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Wal-Mart gets city's go-ahead
  • One project will bring new life to a historic but vacant downtown building. Another project will bring a Wal-Mart Supercenter to a blighted section of Lake Highlands.

    And on Wednesday, the Dallas City Council backed them both.

    In one instance, the council approved a hotly debated plan for a Wal-Mart Supercenter in Lake Highlands, saying it's high time to clean up the property at Forest Lane and Abrams Road.

    The council's overwhelming approval was opposed at Wednesday's public hearing by dozens of homeowners who spoke out against a project they say will choke their neighborhood with traffic and unwanted foot traffic. Mayor Laura Miller, who alone voted against the project, agreed.

    "This particular box, for me, is too big," she said.

    But council member Bill Blaydes, who has worked on the development for two years, said the dissenters aren't representative of his district, which he said overwhelmingly favors the new Wal-Mart.

    "It is the revitalization of an area that's going into the tank," he said. "It does remove blight from the heart of Lake Highlands."

    The site has been a black eye in northeast Dallas, he said, with its drug- and prostitute-infested extended-stay hotels, crime-ridden apartments and empty office buildings.


    Wednesday's zoning change was the most controversial for a "big box" since the city ended its moratorium on such stores and implemented new large-scale retail standards last fall.

    Ms. Miller said Mr. Blaydes and staff members have been crafting a deal to make land costs more manageable for developer John Christon. She said she was told the plan was to grant the developer half of the sales tax revenue that the Lake Highlands Wal-Mart produces specifically for the city of Dallas, up to $1 million.

    Mr. Blaydes said there's no guarantee the developer will ask for a rebate. But he said there have been some discussions about helping the developer financially if asbestos abatement reaches a certain cost. In case the developer asks for one, Mr. Blaydes said, the council will still have to approve any tax abatement.

    On Wednesday, Ms. Miller also questioned the council's plans to grant a $1 million subsidy for a new Carnival grocery store in Oak Cliff.
 

Metron

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So Ornery, you're taking a position that the government should subsidize the greater good? :Q
 

Ornery

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The government shouldn't tax the living shlt out of businesses, for the sake of making the climate ripe for businesses to move in. That would also be known as "creating jobs".
 

Metron

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Ornery, you're an artful dodger, but you're still not answering my question.... how much is Walmart paying you to act as their lobbyist?

Originally posted by: Metron
Oh but wait... you're a Walmart lobbyist, right? (You still haven't denied it.) If we stop the government handouts for your employer, then you're out of a job. *gasp*

Nice try at dodging my response, but you still haven't answered my question.

Lobbyists like you like to bitch about the government paying for your employees healthcare, but then your employer has no problem lining up at the government teat for tax abatements and subsidies. You can't have it both ways either...

I don't want my local government paying for Walmart's subsidies any more than you want your tax dollars going for Medicaid.

Poor Blue Bible-thumping pro-big business Republican, you can't come up with a suitable response for your precious Walmart's ridiculous subisidies...

Laura Miller, the mayor of Dallas, gives us the answer in your post:
Originally posted by: Ornery
[L=Wal-Mart gets city's go-ahead]
Ms. Miller said Mr. Blaydes and staff members have been crafting a deal to make land costs more manageable for developer John Christon. She said she was told the plan was to grant the developer half of the sales tax revenue that the Lake Highlands Wal-Mart produces specifically for the city of Dallas, up to $1 million.

On Wednesday, Ms. Miller also questioned the council's plans to grant a $1 million subsidy for a new Carnival grocery store in Oak Cliff. [/list]

Blaydes is in league with the developer... nice quote there!
 

Metron

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Originally posted by: Ornery
The government shouldn't tax the living shlt out of businesses, for the sake of making the climate ripe for businesses to move in. That would also be known as "creating jobs".

And government shouldn't grant favors to huge corporations that have no need of incentives just because the corporation planted a shill on the city council.

Great job at selective quoting... let's see the whole truth!

The real truth about how Blaydes constituants feel

Not-So-Texan Blaydes must be sweating bullets today. Not only did 56% of the 10,378 voting voters in his District 10 come out FOR a Stronger Mayor, but he probably lost another thousand or so supporters with his behavior at the council hearing over the new Wal-Mart he's forcing on his constituents.

Poor old Wal-Mart is the most unpopular, popular store in the World. Everybody likes to shop there, but no one wants a Wal-Mart near their neighborhood. There's a problem area at Abrams and Forest that Not-So-Texan Blaydes thinks can be fixed with a Wal-Mart (and a tax abatement, of course).

The people nearby don't agree.

Contested Wal-Mart zoning vote today; Lake Highlands: Tax break proposal fuels fury of some neighbors
Wednesday, November 9, 2005 by EMILY RAMSHAW / The Dallas Morning News
For years, the intersection of Forest Lane and Abrams Road has been a black eye in Lake Highlands. Drug dealers and prostitutes frequent the extended-stay hotels and run-down apartments. An office building sits vacant.
But some area residents are mad about plans to raze the property just south of LBJ Freeway and replace it with a Wal-Mart Super Center. And they're furious that they haven't been told about a quietly circulating proposal to grant the project's developer a $1 million sales tax rebate.
The zoning change for the project, the most controversial "big box" since the city ended its moratorium on them and put in new large-scale retail standards last fall, is to come before the Dallas City Council today.
Homeowners say they're ready to see new development at the intersection, as long as it's not a big-box store.
... But City Council member Bill Blaydes, who has been working on this project for nearly two years, argues that the Wal-Mart would eliminate blight, reduce crime in northeast Dallas and bring much-needed tax revenue into the city.
... The details of the proposed tax rebate are less clear. According to Mayor Laura Miller, who approached the city's economic development team after a reporter asked her about a rebate, Mr. Blaydes and city staff members have been crafting a deal to make land costs more manageable for the developer, John Christon. ... the plan was to grant the developer half of the sales tax revenue that the Lake Highlands Wal-Mart produces specifically for the city of Dallas, up to $1 million.
... if the developer asked for the rebate, Mr. Blaydes said, the City Council would have to approve it.
... Ms. Miller said. "I've gotten so many e-mails from people who don't want this store in their neighborhood. If they knew they were also being asked to subsidize it, they'd be very upset."
... "There's a tremendous amount of opposition to this project," Ms. Noel said. "We are of the opinion that there could be a better use for the site."
... Mr. Blaydes said. "Don't tell me there's a problem. The fact is ... [the opponents] just don't want a Wal-Mart."
... "This is about us taking one for a team I don't want to be on," the Town Creek resident said. "No one in America would choose to live near a Wal-Mart."


During the testimony, one of Blaydes' constituents said all council members the opposition had talked with told them that if their councilman wants it, it's a done deal. The man who was going to end ward politics is now the king of District 10, rather than its representative at City Hall.

Wal-Mart gets city's go-ahead; Dallas: Council approves Lake Highlands project, plan for old post office
Wednesday, November 9, 2005
by DAVE LEVINTHAL and EMILY RAMSHAW / The Dallas Morning News
... the council approved a hotly debated plan for a Wal-Mart Supercenter in Lake Highlands, saying it's high time to clean up the property at Forest Lane and Abrams Road.
The council's overwhelming approval was opposed at Wednesday's public hearing by dozens of homeowners who spoke out against a project they say will choke their neighborhood with traffic and unwanted foot traffic. Mayor Laura Miller, who alone voted against the project, agreed.
... But council member Bill Blaydes, who has worked on the development for two years, said the dissenters aren't representative of his district, which he said overwhelmingly favors the new Wal-Mart.
... Ms. Miller said Mr. Blaydes and staff members have been crafting a deal to make land costs more manageable for developer John Christon. She said she was told the plan was to grant the developer half of the sales tax revenue that the Lake Highlands Wal-Mart produces specifically for the city of Dallas, up to $1 million.
... Mr. Blaydes said, the council will still have to approve any tax abatement.
On Wednesday, Ms. Miller also questioned the council's plans to grant a $1 million subsidy for a new Carnival grocery store in Oak Cliff.
After another redevelopment decision, downtown's long-vacant U.S. Post Office Building will also realize a new use.
By a 13-2 vote, the council approved a Historic Development Program property tax abatement, which city staff estimated to be worth more than $243,000, to help redevelop the building on Ervay Street.
... But Ms. Miller, who voted against the abatement, argued that the city would probably forgo more than $1 million in property tax revenue over the next 10 years.
... This abatement vote comes three weeks after the council voted 11-2 to pass a $6.3 million commercial tax abatement for billionaire oilman Ray Hunt's new headquarters building on the edge of downtown's booming Arts District ? again over the objection of Ms. Miller and Mr. Rasansky.
 

Ornery

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Their part of the city is going to shlt without development, and their wondrous, useless mayor is doing nothing to help the situation. No doubt her constituents will be the first to bitch because no businesses are moving in, and their streets are blighted. Oh, but will they blame her? No, they'll wait till the GOP is in office to blame them for their plight.

Not to mention, Walmart would have to plant the majority of 14 council members (shills) to pull off that scheme. No, I'm afraid those reps are actually doing their constituents' bidding.
 

Metron

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Dallas citizens are pissed, because of Blaydes' ward politics, hiding the $1 million dollar tax subsidy under the table.

People don't want Walmart there... why are they there? Because they paid to get Blaydes in office, they pay Ornery to lobby for them, and they lobby congress with people like Abramoff.

When are the people going to take back government from big business and special interests like the Moral Majority?
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: Ornery
(Dallas gave Walmart $1 million dollars last year to build a store in the Lake Highlands neighborhood of Dallas)

You cry when the government doesn't "create jobs", then bitch when they do! WTF else do you want, besides your Communist/Socialist utopia?

Where were you when the study showed that Wal Mart doesn't "create jobs" but replaces existing jobs with fewer, lower paying ones?
 

Ornery

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That store would be replacing blight. Once the area is cleaned up, other merchants will follow. Apparently Walmart has the wherewithal to become the anchor store in this renovation, which is a huge undertaking. Hah, the biggest job is cutting through red tape!
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: Ornery
That store would be replacing blight. Once the area is cleaned up, other merchants will follow. Apparently Walmart has the wherewithal to become the anchor store in this renovation, which is a huge undertaking. Hah, the biggest job is cutting through red tape!

What in the hell makes you think a Wal Mart will get rid of blight? That's as harebrained as the "urban renewal" projects of the 50s.
 

Metron

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Why don't you get Walmart working on your rusting steel mills instead, Ornery? Dallas doesn't want Walmart. Have Jerry Falwell give them a call, or Jack Abramoff from his jail cell.

Dallas will wait and see how well Ornery's Walmart Urban Renewal plan works, before we go committing more tax dollars to support the largest retailer in the country, who doesn't need tax incentives.

I find it highly hypocrital, how these Blue-Letter-Bible thumping, Jerry-Falwell-Moral-Majority-supporting, hyper-big-business-Walmart-lobbyists have no problem spending other peoples' tax money for their employer (Walmart), but when their employer doesn't want to play by the same rules as every other employer in Maryland... they start bitching about how their employer is being unfairly targeted by leftist/socialists. :roll:
 

eits

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Originally posted by: JLGatsby
TO THOSE WHO SUPPORT MARYLAND'S DECISION TO FORCE WALMART TO PAY FOR MORE HEALTHCARE.

I thought this was the "land of the free," where we could run our businesses and our personal lives the way we wanted? Or was the "land of the free" thing just a bunch of horse crap?

There is a word for what Maryland is doing and it's called socialism.

Drop the government health handouts to the poor and drop the laws requiring employers to give health care. Their life is their life. Each person in America is the architect of their own lives. You reap what you sow and we are all sovereign individuals and I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's mistake.

This is the "Land of the Free," not the "Land of the Free To Sit on Your @$$ and Do Nothing While Collecting Government Handouts."

shut up, you heartless fvck.

with that mentality, you'll change "land of the free" to "land of the fvcked over"...

yeah, idealy, people are the "architect of their own life." however, the world isn't perfect and, believe it or not, neither are americans. life happens, people grow up wrong, people make stupid decisions, etc... what do you propose? everyone come out of the womb perfect? for mistakes or improper environments to be without blemish?

gtfo.
 

Ornery

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Walmart will NOT setup shop unless they can turn a profit in that location. Once they have traffic coming in with money, other merchants will follow.

The majority of 14 representatives WANT that store there for exactly this reason.
 

eits

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: Amused
This is completely absurd, and will hopefully be shot down in the courts.

yeah, this is complete crap. that's not fair! the largest multinational corporation in the world SHOULD treat their employees like crap.... how dare maryland have enough balls to step forward and do the right thing. those maryland BASTARDS!

... give me a break. this is awesome. i hope every state starts this trend.

fvck walmart with a chainsaw.

Working at Walmart is a CHOICE. Not a right, nor an obligation. Those who work there do so by choice. If they choose to work at Walmart knowing they have an expensive health care plan (Walmart offers health care plans to all their employees after the probationary period) that is their CHOICE. If they CHOOSE to not buy Walmart's health care plan, that is their choice.

Walmart owes their employees NOTHING MORE than what was mutually agreed upon when the employment relationship started.

And since when is a health care plan even mandated by law? It NEVER has been, and never should be. It is a benefit offered VOLUNTARILY by employers to attract employees and compete with other employers for employees.

Obviously Walmart treats their employees well enough to employ millions of them... if they didn't, no one would want to work there.

And that drives nanny-state buffoons like you crazy. The general public wont react the way you wish they would, so you seek to control them through laws and regulations. It drives you bat-sh!t that Walmart is so popular, and so many people choose to work there even though you disapprove.

Nanny-state moralists like yourself are no better than religious moralists. You both seek to control others and force them to conform to your standards and morals. You're both authoritarian fascists.

How dare they be free to choose for themselves and fend for themselves, right?

yeah.. it's a choice.... i'm sure there are millions of places in small-town bumbfvck that will hire retarded people, old people, pregant women, etc.... walmart uses these people to expand their empire, but doesn't hook them up with healthcare that's good enough? fvck that noise.
 

Reckoner

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Originally posted by: Ornery
Walmart will NOT setup shop unless they can turn a profit in that location. Once they have traffic coming in with money, other merchants will follow.

The majority of 14 representatives WANT that store there for exactly this reason.

Do you own stock in Walmart? You sure do get emotional discussing them.
 

waggy

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This argument is pointless.

the law will (well should be) struck down. IF not wal mart will continue to make tons of money. People will state hate them in there misguided little minds.


again if wal mart is forced to pay for health insurnce they should fire anyone that smokes, drinks and particpates in anything dangerous
 

Metron

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Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: Ornery
Walmart will NOT setup shop unless they can turn a profit in that location. Once they have traffic coming in with money, other merchants will follow.

The majority of 14 representatives WANT that store there for exactly this reason.

Do you own stock in Walmart? You sure do get emotional discussing them.

As I've said several times, I suspect Ornery is a paid Walmart Lobbyist, and he's yet to deny it.

Originally posted by: Metron
I find it highly hypocrital, how these Blue-Letter-Bible thumping, Jerry-Falwell-Moral-Majority-supporting, hyper-big-business-Walmart-lobbyists have no problem spending other peoples' tax money for their employer (Walmart), but when their employer doesn't want to play by the same rules as every other employer in Maryland... they start bitching about how their employer is being unfairly targeted by leftist/socialists. :roll:
 

eits

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: bctbct
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: bctbct
Hey operating a Business is a choice, if Walmart finds that when other States enact same laws, they dont like doing business in America they can just send their ****** overseas.

Target, Kmart, Costco and many other will be happy to fill the voids and employ the workers.

The policies of Target, Cosco and Kmart are not that wildly different from Walmart.

And your attitude is why the US has lost so many manufacturing jobs. The US worker and unions have priced and regulated themselves out of many jobs, including most manufacturing jobs.

Again, employment is a MUTUAL agreement. Walmart is able to employ millions happily because millions find the employment conditions agreeable. Now nanny-staters like yourself feel the need to tell those millions they are stupid, and need big brother to take care of them.

Thanks to people like you, practically the only jobs left in the US are those unable to be "shipped overseas."


Dude I have probably spent more money on American produced products in the last month than you have in the last year.

Walmart employee work at walmart because they have no other choice. You shop at walmart because you can save three cents on an item. I shop at target because they treat their employees better.

Corporate greed will continue until we draw a line and say we are not going to take it anymore.

Walmart first...then Target so they dont go out of business, next thing you know nobody will be offering HC to their employees.

Walmart is the poster child for other companies to see that effing employees is very profitable.

How do you think outsourcing started? DUH

Cheap is not always a good thing.

I cannot think of a company that gets more negative news than walmart. There is a reason for that.

Awesome post sir.

Hopefully someday the sheeple will wake up and we get the Country back from Corporate whores and greed.

word.

if walmart wanted to be its own economy, it'd have the 6th richest in the world... that'd be all fine and good with me if they didn't skip out or hold back on their employees.
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Metron
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: Ornery
Walmart will NOT setup shop unless they can turn a profit in that location. Once they have traffic coming in with money, other merchants will follow.

The majority of 14 representatives WANT that store there for exactly this reason.

Do you own stock in Walmart? You sure do get emotional discussing them.

As I've said several times, I suspect Ornery is a paid Walmart Lobbyist, and he's yet to deny it.


yes anyone that backs walmart is a lobbyist. heaven forbit they think that a business should not be forced into paying more for workers that are not worht it. NOBODY is forced to work at walmart. IF they are not makeing a living then they are free to get a 2nd or hell even 3rd job (but sadly many are lazy)if they are to stupid to get an eduction for a real job.


 

Metron

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Waggy,
Would be nice if they paid their employees for the time that they do put in.

Wal-Mart Managers delete time from workers' timecards

In Massachusetts, "a Middlesex court judge has put his imprimatur on a suit alleging the retail giant failed to pay employees for time worked and neglected to give them meal and rest breaks, the Herald has learned. The eight-page ruling by Superior Court Judge Ernest B. Murphy cites an affidavit by a computer expert hired by the plaintiffs. The expert allegedly found 7,000 instances during a one-year period when Wal-Mart managers deleted large blocks of time from their employee payroll records."
Source: John Strahinich, "Judge OKs Employee Lawsuit Against Wal-Mart," Boston Herald, January 7, 2005.

Meanwhile, in California, a class-action lawsuit potentially involving up to 215,000 current and former Wal-Mart and Sam's Club employees "charges that Wal-Mart, based in Bentonville, Ark., deleted thousands of hours of time worked from employees' payroll records by erasing overtime hours and by penalizing employees who forgot to punch in after their meal breaks by denying them pay for the remainder of those days."
Source: "Alameda County Suit Alleges Wal-Mart Cheated Workers," Bay City News, January 20, 2005.

Originally posted by: Metron
I find it highly hypocrital, how these Blue-Letter-Bible thumping, Jerry-Falwell-Moral-Majority-supporting, hyper-big-business-Walmart-lobbyists (ORNERY) have no problem spending other peoples' tax money for their employer (Walmart), but when their employer doesn't want to play by the same rules as every other employer in Maryland... they start bitching about how their employer is being unfairly targeted by leftist/socialists. :roll:
 

Reckoner

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Metron
Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
Originally posted by: Ornery
Walmart will NOT setup shop unless they can turn a profit in that location. Once they have traffic coming in with money, other merchants will follow.

The majority of 14 representatives WANT that store there for exactly this reason.

Do you own stock in Walmart? You sure do get emotional discussing them.

As I've said several times, I suspect Ornery is a paid Walmart Lobbyist, and he's yet to deny it.


yes anyone that backs walmart is a lobbyist. heaven forbit they think that a business should not be forced into paying more for workers that are not worht it. NOBODY is forced to work at walmart. IF they are not makeing a living then they are free to get a 2nd or hell even 3rd job (but sadly many are lazy)if they are to stupid to get an eduction for a real job.

Having a good education != Good paying job anymore
 

eits

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Originally posted by: Ornery
(Dallas gave Walmart $1 million dollars last year to build a store in the Lake Highlands neighborhood of Dallas)

You cry when the government doesn't "create jobs", then bitch when they do! WTF else do you want, besides your Communist/Socialist utopia?

haha stfu adam smith. seriously, can you not see the problem? it's hard to believe anyone could be so blind or misunderstanding of an issue...

your post = "you cry when your mother doesn't give you food, then you bitch when she gives you a nice, juicy steak laced with tapeworm eggs"
 
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