Originally posted by: Metron
Yes, and he probably missed this comment of mine:
Yes, and as companies exert more and more pressure on workers by increasing uncompensated overtime and by decreasing benefits and merit increases that don't keep up with inflation while increasing top executive compensation packages...
Just add to that Zebo's hypothesis that companies could eliminate unemployment insurance and the 8% of payroll that they pay for Social Security! Just think of the corporate profits... the beautiful consolidated balance sheets.
Quit giving the corporate lobbyists ideas!
Originally posted by: Zalez
This could be the start of a retail empire crumbling to the ground
Originally posted by: Vic
Think your grandfather's day. That's how old "basic healthcare" is. The entire healthcare industry as we know it today was created during WWII.
Please don't be a fool. Modern medicine did not exist prior to WWII and the discovery of antibiotics.Originally posted by: Metron
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Exactly Vic... those corporate lobbyists yearn for the "good old days" of the Depression, prior to WWII.
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Ah yes... straw men... :roll:Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
Awesome. Life expectancies up to 60 years. No more freaking blue hairs on the roads. I cannot wait.Originally posted by: Vic
Think your grandfather's day. That's how old "basic healthcare" is. The entire healthcare industry as we know it today was created during WWII.
Why? All unions do is make the cost of the goods and services increase.Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
More likely they'd cut down to under 10K, I doubt they'd pull out completely.
I'm not necessarily a Walmart fan but I do love that they don't take sh!t from anybody. You want to unionize your store? Fine, you don't have a store.
Capitalism at its best.
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Viper GTS
Really? You think that's capitalism "at its best?" I don't have a problem with it, but calling it capitalism "at its best" is an insult to capitalism.
Originally posted by: Zebo
... but I can at least see that taxing the whole nation (medicare) for walmarts problems is not the way to go.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Not really they don't even sell same products as walmart. That's a grocery store chain. Competitors to walmart would be department stores like sears and K-mart. Wal-mart will be only retailer effected by this law.
Originally posted by: Vic
Ah yes... straw men... :roll:Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
Awesome. Life expectancies up to 60 years. No more freaking blue hairs on the roads. I cannot wait.Originally posted by: Vic
Think your grandfather's day. That's how old "basic healthcare" is. The entire healthcare industry as we know it today was created during WWII.
Originally posted by: Marthisdil
Originally posted by: Zalez
This could be the start of a retail empire crumbling to the ground
Or they can give the proverbial finger to MD and just close all their stores there, and when telling the employees, be sure to tell them "You're all laid off due to your state being stupid"
And that increase in life expectancies has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with increases in medical science and standard of living, which was my argument. I did not reference a "golden age," so I don't have to deal with anything. You referenced that a lack of socialized medicine was a return to the dark ages, I showed where you were wrong, and you expounded it by implying that a lack of socialism meant "no more blue hairs on the road." I'd say you're the fscking dumbass who should read up on what a straw man is, okay?Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
You need to read what a straw man argument is Vic. Life expectancies HAVE dramatically increased in the past 60+ years. That's a fact. Dont reference the "golden age" if you dont want to deal with it.Originally posted by: Vic
Ah yes... straw men... :roll:Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
Awesome. Life expectancies up to 60 years. No more freaking blue hairs on the roads. I cannot wait.Originally posted by: Vic
Think your grandfather's day. That's how old "basic healthcare" is. The entire healthcare industry as we know it today was created during WWII.
I still want to drive my car but never change the oil or pay a mechanic, until it breaks down in the middle of rush hour traffic and the state has to come deal with it. It'll be the wal mart car ownership model. FTW.
Originally posted by: Marthisdil
Why? All unions do is make the cost of the goods and services increase.Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
More likely they'd cut down to under 10K, I doubt they'd pull out completely.
I'm not necessarily a Walmart fan but I do love that they don't take sh!t from anybody. You want to unionize your store? Fine, you don't have a store.
Capitalism at its best.
:thumbsup:
Viper GTS
Really? You think that's capitalism "at its best?" I don't have a problem with it, but calling it capitalism "at its best" is an insult to capitalism.
I'm happy that the New York transit workers got borked when they went on strike, illegally. Fined 3 days pay each for each day on strike, and their union fined $1mill a day. It's awesome.
Originally posted by: Vic
You referenced that a lack of socialized medicine was a return to the dark ages, I showed where you were wrong, and you expounded it by implying that a lack of socialism meant "no more blue hairs on the road."
I'd say you're the fscking dumbass who should read up on what a straw man is, okay?
Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
Originally posted by: Vic
You referenced that a lack of socialized medicine was a return to the dark ages, I showed where you were wrong, and you expounded it by implying that a lack of socialism meant "no more blue hairs on the road."
I said we need socialized medicine? Reeeally? Links? Quotes?
And here I thought I'd spent all afternoon disucssing how healthcare plans are a cost of doing business for retailers with large workforces. Stupid me.
I'd say you're the fscking dumbass who should read up on what a straw man is, okay?
Making up an easily defeatable argument that I didn't make in order to spew some partisan idealogy is the very epitome of the straw man fallacy. Now who's the dumbass Vic?
(dont answer, you cannot save face here)
Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
Originally posted by: Zebo
If you eliminated medicare no subsidy would take place right and thus tax payers would be free of thier obligations. Bet you never followed that "logical conclusion" have you?
I cant wait to see what a nation whose blue collar backbone is uninsured, and therefore has no real access to basic healthcare looks like. I'm thinking provincial europe, during the dark ages. Plague, famine, all that. Should rock. Bring it on. As long as I have a stack of gold to sit on, I fear nothing. NOTHING.
No, I have not made myself look worse. You got completely owned and you know it, which is why you want to change the discussion back.Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
sigh, you didnt take my advice and now you've just made yourself look worse. It's ok. I'm not petty. Just let it go and we can get the discussion back on track.
You see, I have this car, and in order to drive it, I have to put oil & gas in it, and have a mechanic look at it from time to time....
No, you are inferring that it should be changed. Not I. How often in this thread have you called for socialized medicine, only to finally back down from that in this last page? Are you trying to say that socialized medicine is not a change?Originally posted by: Metron
Vic, you're trying to say that comprehensive health care has only existed as a benefit for US workers since the WWII era. You're also inferring that benefit could/should be changed.
We disagree.
Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
still waiting for one post where I advocated socialized medicine Vic.
I'll save you the suspense, I haven't done so a single time.
But good luck on your "ownership" hunt Vic. And good luck with calling other posters "fvcking dumbass" when they blow holes through your rhetoric. Seems to be working for you, or not.
If I have to actually explain the logical fallacies here, then you're even more stupid than I thought. Essentially you made a classic dmcowen674 post.Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
Originally posted by: Zebo
If you eliminated medicare no subsidy would take place right and thus tax payers would be free of thier obligations. Bet you never followed that "logical conclusion" have you?
I cant wait to see what a nation whose blue collar backbone is uninsured, and therefore has no real access to basic healthcare looks like. I'm thinking provincial europe, during the dark ages. Plague, famine, all that. Should rock. Bring it on. As long as I have a stack of gold to sit on, I fear nothing. NOTHING.