Md. forces Wal-Mart to spend more on health

[Vic]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
Youve devolved into a series of personal attacks over a farce post that I made, which is still inherently true.

Whats even more telling is that you missed the point. No one wants to deal with issue so thats what's left.

Your "farce post" is "inherently true"? :roll: Are you defending the statement or not? Seems like you can't decide.

The issue here is simple. Bottom-rung employees get medicare coverage from the state, so when they go looking for work they don't demand healthcare coverage from their employers. Would you take a job that doesn't provide health benefits? Certainly not I imagine. So why do these people who work for Wal-Mart when Wal-Mart doesn't provide these benefits? Because they don't need it, they get it from the state. The state of MD is essentially blaming Wal-Mart for a problem which they caused in the first place. How hard is this to understand?

 

[Ornery]

After all this, I'm still trying to figure out where you "entitled", "world owes me a living" types, get the idea it's anybody's responsibility but the individual, to pay for their own health care?

If an employer happens to offer health care as a perk, that's their prerogative, NOT their duty!

 

[Metron]

You're ignoring the fact that Walmart is the largest retailer in the US, and they can easily afford to pay this benefit. You're ignoring the previous posts that EVERY OTHER LARGE EMPLOYER in Maryland is able to provide these benefits, regardless of the type of business they are in.

 

[Ornery]

Because they CAN pay, they should be forced to do so? Is that NOT the epitome of Communism/Socialism? Nobody is forced to work there, that's the bottom line.

 

[Metron]

Originally posted by: Ornery
After all this, I'm still trying to figure out where you "entitled", "world owes me a living" types, get the idea it's anybody's responsibility but the individual, to pay for their own health care?

If an employer happens to offer health care as a perk, that's their prerogative, NOT their duty!

Assumptions assumptions... tsk tsk tsk. Don't fall into Vic's hole of personal attacks please.

RTFT!!!!!11!!1.!eleventy

As previously stated, granted, and conceded (even by Vic) in this thread, US companies have provided comprehensive health care coverage as a benefit to employees since roughly WWII.

RTFT!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Metron
TheAdvocate, I concur.

Vic, I'm saying Walmart should face the music and pay their fair share. They can't expect $1 million government subsidies to build new superstores, as well as government subsidized health care for their employees (since they currently direct their employees to sign up for MedicAid, Welfare, and WIC). Walmart wants any free hand out the taxpayers are stupid enough to allow them to have, and I believe we should not allow Walmart to get away with this outrage(and Maryland's legislature obviously feels the same way).

Barring that... if corporations are going to continue to rape and pillage workers benefits, then by all means I am for socialized health care.

Corporations would rather go back to a feudal system where the CEO is King, and workers are mere vassals to be subjegated. Funny how we don't see that in modern nations, but instead it's evolved in the corporate culture, huh?

Gah. Why can't you people figure it out? Wal-Mart bribes some legislators and gets the state to pay for their employees' healthcare, the whole thing disguised as being "for the poor." Next, union officials in retaliation bribe legislators to pass legislation to force Wal-Mart to pay more into the state healthcare system.
And you think the corps are winning here? No, this all about government power and its expansion and corruption. Government for and of the highest bidder. Government gets control of healthcare and gets to force private industry to foot the bill at the same time. In between the squabbles, government increases its power and wealth. You shouldn't let the fact that it is going your ideology's way this particular time around cloud your vision from what is really happening.

 

[Ornery]

Who said I was talking to you personally? If the shoe fits, eh?

Hillary wanted to pass a National Health Care system on the backs of businesses, and it was shot down as it should have been.

 

[ElFenix]

anyway, it will probably be struck down as violating ERISA, so who cares?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Metron
You're ignoring the fact that Walmart is the largest retailer in the US, and they can easily afford to pay this benefit. You're ignoring the previous posts that EVERY OTHER LARGE EMPLOYER in Maryland is able to provide these benefits, regardless of the type of business they are in.

This is a classic argument presented by the left. At what point cant we afford to pay for these things?

When the tax is 100% and we are all subjects of the state?

 

[Genx87]

As previously stated, granted, and conceded (even by Vic) in this thread, US companies have provided comprehensive health care coverage as a benefit to employees since roughly WWII.

Why do you think that is?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Metron
You're ignoring the fact that Walmart is the largest retailer in the US, and they can easily afford to pay this benefit. You're ignoring the previous posts that EVERY OTHER LARGE EMPLOYER in Maryland is able to provide these benefits, regardless of the type of business they are in.

This is a classic argument presented by the left. At what point cant we afford to pay for these things?

When the tax is 100% and we are all subjects of the state?

<sarcasm>But... but... when the tax is 100% and we are all subject of the state, the distribution of wealth and resources will be entirely equal. There won't be any rich or poor because we can trust government to be totally honest and fair, without a shred of corruption!
</sarcasm>

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Metron
You're ignoring the fact that Walmart is the largest retailer in the US, and they can easily afford to pay this benefit. You're ignoring the previous posts that EVERY OTHER LARGE EMPLOYER in Maryland is able to provide these benefits, regardless of the type of business they are in.

This is a classic argument presented by the left. At what point cant we afford to pay for these things?

When the tax is 100% and we are all subjects of the state?

<sarcasm>But... but... when the tax is 100% and we are all subject of the state, the distribution of wealth and resources will be entirely equal. There won't be any rich or poor because we can trust government to be totally honest and fair, without a shred of corruption!
</sarcasm>

omg you are right! Look at any socialist dicatorship in the world! Clearly everybody is equal!

Some people just dont get it and want to repeat it over and over in the hope the truth is wrong.

Personally I am waiting for the day when they tax us at 110% and make us debtees to the govt. Truely make us slave labor. We die and they still force us to work to pay off the debts we created during life.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Metron
As previously stated, granted, and conceded (even by Vic) in this thread, US companies have provided comprehensive health care coverage as a benefit to employees since roughly WWII.

Hold on. "Conceded"??? Trying to have you cake and eat it too? :roll: I brought it up, after someone here implied that the lack of healthcare coverage was equivalent to a return to the dark ages.

 

[Metron]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Metron
As previously stated, granted, and conceded (even by Vic) in this thread, US companies have provided comprehensive health care coverage as a benefit to employees since roughly WWII.

Hold on. "Conceded"??? Trying to have you cake and eat it too? :roll: I brought it up, after someone here implied that the lack of healthcare coverage was equivalent to a return to the dark ages.

Certainly... I'm learning from Walmart!

 

[Metron]

Originally posted by: Vic

Gah. Why can't you people figure it out? Wal-Mart bribes some legislators and gets the state to pay for their employees' healthcare, the whole thing disguised as being "for the poor." Next, union officials in retaliation bribe legislators to pass legislation to force Wal-Mart to pay more into the state healthcare system.
And you think the corps are winning here? No, this all about government power and its expansion and corruption. Government for and of the highest bidder. Government gets control of healthcare and gets to force private industry to foot the bill at the same time. In between the squabbles, government increases its power and wealth. You shouldn't let the fact that it is going your ideology's way this particular time around cloud your vision from what is really happening.

I concur with you here. We've just spent our way into the largest federal deficit EVAR (w00t for fiscally conservative Republican administrations)!

 

[Metron]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Metron
You're ignoring the fact that Walmart is the largest retailer in the US, and they can easily afford to pay this benefit. You're ignoring the previous posts that EVERY OTHER LARGE EMPLOYER in Maryland is able to provide these benefits, regardless of the type of business they are in.

This is a classic argument presented by the left. At what point cant we afford to pay for these things?

When the tax is 100% and we are all subjects of the state?

<sarcasm>But... but... when the tax is 100% and we are all subject of the state, the distribution of wealth and resources will be entirely equal. There won't be any rich or poor because we can trust government to be totally honest and fair, without a shred of corruption!
</sarcasm>

omg you are right! Look at any socialist dicatorship in the world! Clearly everybody is equal!

Some people just dont get it and want to repeat it over and over in the hope the truth is wrong.

Personally I am waiting for the day when they tax us at 110% and make us debtees to the govt. Truely make us slave labor. We die and they still force us to work to pay off the debts we created during life.

So we should allow corrupt corporations like Walmart to run the country instead? Yeah... that's the ticket. :shocked:

Good luck with that...

 

[mercanucaribe]

How come Republicans are so against socialized health care and other socialist programs, but not spending hundreds of billions on a war?

 

[Metron]

[Sarcasm]

They own stock in Lockheed, Haliburton, and others.

They didn't buy stock in drug and healthcare companies.

It's all Merrill Lynch's fault!

[/Sarcasm]

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
How come Republicans are so against socialized health care and other socialist programs, but not spending hundreds of billions on a war?

Because Saddam tried to kill our president's daddy.

Edit: Don't mess with Texas!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Metron
TheAdvocate, I concur.

Vic, I'm saying Walmart should face the music and pay their fair share. They can't expect $1 million government subsidies to build new superstores, as well as government subsidized health care for their employees (since they currently direct their employees to sign up for MedicAid, Welfare, and WIC). Walmart wants any free hand out the taxpayers are stupid enough to allow them to have, and I believe we should not allow Walmart to get away with this outrage(and Maryland's legislature obviously feels the same way).

Barring that... if corporations are going to continue to rape and pillage workers benefits, then by all means I am for socialized health care.

Corporations would rather go back to a feudal system where the CEO is King, and workers are mere vassals to be subjegated. Funny how we don't see that in modern nations, but instead it's evolved in the corporate culture, huh?

Gah. Why can't you people figure it out? Wal-Mart bribes some legislators and gets the state to pay for their employees' healthcare, the whole thing disguised as being "for the poor." Next, union officials in retaliation bribe legislators to pass legislation to force Wal-Mart to pay more into the state healthcare system.
And you think the corps are winning here? No, this all about government power and its expansion and corruption. Government for and of the highest bidder. Government gets control of healthcare and gets to force private industry to foot the bill at the same time. In between the squabbles, government increases its power and wealth. You shouldn't let the fact that it is going your ideology's way this particular time around cloud your vision from what is really happening.

True but at the same time guys like you dispise Unions which are strictly a private vs. private negotiation and or agreement. I love unions. It's extactly the private free market mechanism at work.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
How come Republicans are so against socialized health care and other socialist programs, but not spending hundreds of billions on a war?

I'm not a Republican, and I'm opposed to all forms of socialism, including war.

Stay relevant, eh? This is the same as asking why Democrats are opposed to death penalty but support abortion. You're engaging in false dilemma, i.e. that there are only 2 political ideologies and that every person from each of the sides believes in the same things.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Zebo
True but at the same time guys like you dispise Unions which are strictly a private vs. private negotiation and or agreement. I love unions. It's extactly the private free market mechanism at work.

Not at all. I'm only opposed to unions in the public sector. For the private sector, I see unions as being completely part of the free market. Labor can organize just like management can organize. However, it should be important to recognize that unions have become just like the corporations, in that they are for-profit organizations selling a product (i.e. labor), and that they should be treated as such.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Because they CAN pay, they should be forced to do so? Is that NOT the epitome of Communism/Socialism? Nobody is forced to work there, that's the bottom line.

Sure they are in order to survive. In modern society you can't just live off the earth as in nomad times. Need a job and income to be able to afford even the basics of life such as food and shelter they are adding health care to that list of bare nesseities progressily as employers cut them. That's the bottom line.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Crucial

This could be the start of 17,000 lost jobs in MD. Walmart will leave MD altogether before bowing down to this BS mandate.

More likely they'd cut down to under 10K, I doubt they'd pull out completely.

I'm not necessarily a Walmart fan but I do love that they don't take sh!t from anybody. You want to unionize your store? Fine, you don't have a store.

Capitalism at its best.

:thumbsup:

Viper GTS

Bleh.

Wal Mart is a bunch of crooks.

There's a reason why they're the cheapest, dirtiest and scumbagiest company on earth.

 

[waggy]

wow im amazed at how many are for the distrubution of wealth. So walmart can afford to pay out for health insurances (while i agree they should) they should NOT be forced to.

Should bill gates be forced to pay for some poor lazy trash's house because he can afford it?

IF the workes of walmart want better benifits they should get a better job.