Md. forces Wal-Mart to spend more on health

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: Viper GTS

Originally posted by: Crucial

This could be the start of 17,000 lost jobs in MD. Walmart will leave MD altogether before bowing down to this BS mandate.

More likely they'd cut down to under 10K, I doubt they'd pull out completely.

I'm not necessarily a Walmart fan but I do love that they don't take sh!t from anybody. You want to unionize your store? Fine, you don't have a store.

Capitalism at its best.

:thumbsup:

Viper GTS

Bleh.

Wal Mart is a bunch of crooks.

There's a reason why they're the cheapest, dirtiest and scumbagiest company on earth.

Not even close. There are companies out there who give government employees jobs as favors for the huge no-bid contracts these same people gave them while in office, otherwise known as revolvig door. These same companies sponge off the unwilling tax payer and even put him in debt for furture obligations.

At least walmart provides a service each individual can measure if they have value or not by thier patronatige.

 

[Ornery]

I love unions. It's extactly the private free market mechanism at work.

This is exactly the mechanism of extortion at work. Unions have no effect when they can't use violence or shut down a city, school system, or industry.

In modern society you can't just live off the earth as in nomad times.

People come here from China, Korea and other countries with almost nothing, yet manage to start their own businesses and thrive. Yet, our own citizens are content to sit on their asses with their hand out instead.

They can work at Walmart, or not. Start their own business, or not. Live with extended families under the same roof to pool money, or not. They can avoid breeding like animals until they can afford children, or not. Expecting businesses to take up the slack for slackers is simply some kind of entitlement mentality.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I love unions. It's extactly the private free market mechanism at work.

This is exactly the mechanism of extortion at work. Unions have no effect when they can't use violence or shut down a city, school system, or industry.

No more or less extortion than capital pools combining and being the only game in town.

 

[bctbct]

I dont understand all of the support for Walmart on this.

If you pay taxes or have health insurance you pay for the loopholes that Walmart takes advantage of.

Okay, so employers are not mandated to provide health insurance.

Bertha 61 y.o. uninssured grandmother is admitted to your local hospital. They spend 2 days saving her life. Hospital bill 60K...she has no insurance and no assets. Hospital will not collect, they divide the cost of her care over the paying customers, YOU

Billy the 6 y.o. son of a Walmart employee covered by state insurance comes to hospital with a head injury from sledding accident. 3 months later he leaves the hospital with a 340K hospital bill. State submits payment....tacks on the costs to your income tax.

Health care is going to XXXX each year. It will be paid by the State or insurance companies.

It is to everyones advantage that the most amount of people are covered by private insurance.

Maryland has decided to make a loophole that is to their advantage I hope that other states follow.

 

[mwtgg]

Fvck Unions and Fvck Maryland.

 

[shabby]

Blame canada...

 

[eits]

fvcking right!

that's why i love maryland (even though our governor isn't exactly the best).

I LOVE MARYLAND

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Amused
This is completely absurd, and will hopefully be shot down in the courts.

yeah, this is complete crap. that's not fair! the largest multinational corporation in the world SHOULD treat their employees like crap.... how dare maryland have enough balls to step forward and do the right thing. those maryland BASTARDS!

... give me a break. this is awesome. i hope every state starts this trend.

fvck walmart with a chainsaw.

 

[Ornery]

1. Right on, comrade! :thumbsup:

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: Crucial

Originally posted by: Zalez
This could be the start of a retail empire crumbling to the ground

This could be the start of 17,000 lost jobs in MD. Walmart will leave MD altogether before bowing down to this BS mandate.

lets hope other states follow through and walmart pulls out of the whole country. this is just like that southpark episode about wallmart :-D

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: mwtgg
Fvck Unions and Fvck Maryland and Fvck Government Handouts

fixed.

 

[JLGatsby]

TO THOSE WHO SUPPORT MARYLAND'S DECISION TO FORCE WALMART TO PAY FOR MORE HEALTHCARE.

I thought this was the "land of the free," where we could run our businesses and our personal lives the way we wanted? Or was the "land of the free" thing just a bunch of horse crap?

There is a word for what Maryland is doing and it's called socialism.

Drop the government health handouts to the poor and drop the laws requiring employers to give health care. Their life is their life. Each person in America is the architect of their own lives. You reap what you sow and we are all sovereign individuals and I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's mistake.

This is the "Land of the Free," not the "Land of the Free To Sit on Your @$$ and Do Nothing While Collecting Government Handouts."

 

[Ornery]

1. It's not a "government handout" when we can legislate businesses into paying for it.

 

[Cardio]

Unless Walmart has caused all other businesses to fold and just about the only place left to work is Walmart. [/quote]

Walmart has never caused any other business to close! The customers of that business caused them to close by PREFERING Walmarts prices, service, selection etc, etc to the other place.

Walmart started out as a one store outfit againist the likes of Kress, Woolworth, Sears, JC Penney and all the other giants and just did a better job. People shopped at Walmart because it was a better place to buy.

If you don't like Walmart's jobs why didn't you prepare yourself for something better. We sure spent a lot of money on your education.

 

[jvnn]

Wal mart is just the most effective at getting employees, government, suppliers, etc to join in the "race to the bottom." Their only motive is profit and whatever they can get away with in terms of starvation wages, overseas sweatshops, polluting manufacturers they will do it. No moral values get attached to their profit motive. Whatever happened to their buy american? Just disappeared.

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
TO THOSE WHO SUPPORT MARYLAND'S DECISION TO FORCE WALMART TO PAY FOR MORE HEALTHCARE.

I thought this was the "land of the free," where we could run our businesses and our personal lives the way we wanted? Or was the "land of the free" thing just a bunch of horse crap?

There is a word for what Maryland is doing and it's called socialism.

Drop the government health handouts to the poor and drop the laws requiring employers to give health care. Their life is their life. Each person in America is the architect of their own lives. You reap what you sow and we are all sovereign individuals and I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's mistake.

This is the "Land of the Free," not the "Land of the Free To Sit on Your @$$ and Do Nothing While Collecting Government Handouts."

Give corporate america a hand, everyone!!!! :disgust:

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Give corporate america a hand, everyone!!!! :disgust:

Ah, another one of the "entitled", "world owes me a living" types, eh?

 

[Reckoner]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Give corporate america a hand, everyone!!!! :disgust:

Ah, another one of the "entitled", "world owes me a living" types, eh?

No, I just believe that a large corporation who opens new stores daily, and crushes its competitors should pay for a decent healthcare system for its workers. It's called decency.

 

[Ornery]

Spare me the "decency" BS. When a mom & pop shop is the only hardware store in town, they hire part time workers, sell you a ten cent bolt for $1.20, and laugh at you because there's no place else you can go to buy it. There's some "decency" for ya! :roll:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused
This is completely absurd, and will hopefully be shot down in the courts.

yeah, this is complete crap. that's not fair! the largest multinational corporation in the world SHOULD treat their employees like crap.... how dare maryland have enough balls to step forward and do the right thing. those maryland BASTARDS!

... give me a break. this is awesome. i hope every state starts this trend.

fvck walmart with a chainsaw.

Working at Walmart is a CHOICE. Not a right, nor an obligation. Those who work there do so by choice. If they choose to work at Walmart knowing they have an expensive health care plan (Walmart offers health care plans to all their employees after the probationary period) that is their CHOICE. If they CHOOSE to not buy Walmart's health care plan, that is their choice.

Walmart owes their employees NOTHING MORE than what was mutually agreed upon when the employment relationship started.

And since when is a health care plan even mandated by law? It NEVER has been, and never should be. It is a benefit offered VOLUNTARILY by employers to attract employees and compete with other employers for employees.

Obviously Walmart treats their employees well enough to employ millions of them... if they didn't, no one would want to work there.

And that drives nanny-state buffoons like you crazy. The general public wont react the way you wish they would, so you seek to control them through laws and regulations. It drives you bat-sh!t that Walmart is so popular, and so many people choose to work there even though you disapprove.

Nanny-state moralists like yourself are no better than religious moralists. You both seek to control others and force them to conform to your standards and morals. You're both authoritarian fascists.

How dare they be free to choose for themselves and fend for themselves, right?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats

Give corporate america a hand, everyone!!!! :disgust:

Ah, another one of the "entitled", "world owes me a living" types, eh?

No, I just believe that a large corporation who opens new stores daily, and crushes its competitors should pay for a decent healthcare system for its workers. It's called decency.

Why? Why shouldn't the benefits package and wages that are MUTUALLY agreed upon be solely between the employee and employer? If the employee doesn't like it, they can find a better deal elsewhere. If Walmart was so "indecent," they wouldn't be able to employ anyone as no one would want to work there.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: PaulNEPats
No, I just believe that a large corporation who opens new stores daily, and crushes its competitors should pay for a decent healthcare system for its workers. It's called decency.

Do you ever shop at Walmart?

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Spare me the "decency" BS. When a mom & pop shop is the only hardware store in town, they hire part time workers, sell you a ten cent bolt for $1.20, and laugh at you because there's no place else you can go to buy it. There's some "decency" for ya! :roll:

Ace hardware stores are locally owned, and cheaper than Home Depot for bolts, nuts, etc.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe

Originally posted by: Ornery
Spare me the "decency" BS. When a mom & pop shop is the only hardware store in town, they hire part time workers, sell you a ten cent bolt for $1.20, and laugh at you because there's no place else you can go to buy it. There's some "decency" for ya! :roll:

Ace hardware stores are locally owned, and cheaper than Home Depot for bolts, nuts, etc.

Ace/True Value is wildly more expensive for most things than Lowes, Home Depot and Menards. The selection also sucks... and in most cases, the service isn't any better.

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: eits

Originally posted by: Amused
This is completely absurd, and will hopefully be shot down in the courts.

yeah, this is complete crap. that's not fair! the largest multinational corporation in the world SHOULD treat their employees like crap.... how dare maryland have enough balls to step forward and do the right thing. those maryland BASTARDS!

... give me a break. this is awesome. i hope every state starts this trend.

fvck walmart with a chainsaw.

Working at Walmart is a CHOICE. Not a right, nor an obligation. Those who work there do so by choice. If they choose to work at Walmart knowing they have an expensive health care plan (Walmart offers health care plans to all their employees after the probationary period) that is their CHOICE. If they CHOOSE to not buy Walmart's health care plan, that is their choice.

Walmart owes their employees NOTHING MORE than what was mutually agreed upon when the employment relationship started.

And since when is a health care plan even mandated by law? It NEVER has been, and never should be. It is a benefit offered VOLUNTARILY by employers to attract employees and compete with other employers for employees.

Obviously Walmart treats their employees well enough to employ millions of them... if they didn't, no one would want to work there.

And that drives nanny-state buffoons like you crazy. The general public wont react the way you wish they would, so you seek to control them through laws and regulations. It drives you bat-sh!t that Walmart is so popular, and so many people choose to work there even though you disapprove.

Nanny-state moralists like yourself are no better than religious moralists. You both seek to control others and force them to conform to your standards and morals. You're both authoritarian fascists.

How dare they be free to choose for themselves and fend for themselves, right?

And when Wal Mart drives other stores out of business? The fewer competitors, the less choice workers and consumers have, and the more like a communist state we actually are. Of course, Wal Mart also gets million dollar subsidies.