Mean Toyota "Camry" from down under

[AdamK47]

Australia? What do they know about cars?

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Damn, Toyota really knows what they're doing

 

[AdamK47]

Toyota is playing follow the leader to GM over there. That car has way too many similarities to the Commodore and yet produces less power and is front wheel drive.

 

[Alex]

*drool*

 

[AdamK47]

Oh I get it, it's a Toyota. The brand name negates it's inferiority over the new Commodore on this forum. It will have to be priced bellow the Commodore to sell.

 

[Aharami]

wow. that actually looks good!

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
woa that looks cool! a lot of people still want FWD, so why not give FWD dudes (better for all-weather conditions) a bit more power? Do all performance vehicles HAVE to be RWD? A lot of people like the civic SI, yet it's FWD. I think modern chassis' and suspensions make a FWD car near comparable to a RWD car. Of course, that's just what I've been told and read around, and I will probably be proven wrong by RWD fanboys w/ their fanboist arguments

190hp through the front wheels, especially with a LSD, is a much different story than 320hp.

The nissan maxima and the mitsu eclipse put about 260 hp through the front wheels, and its torque steer city unless traction control is on, which gimps it.

The new mazdaspeed 3 puts about 250 through the front wheels - but the torque is limited by the ECU in the first two gears, because even that is too much.

I just can't see how 320 can be even feasible without defeating the purpose by gimping it off the line.

Your tire's traction can either be used for turning, or accelerating (or braking). Try to do both at the same time, and you have serious problems. With RWD, one set is accelerating, and one is turning, so it's not so bad.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
Oh I get it, it's a Toyota. The brand name negates it's inferiority over the new Commodore on this forum. It will have to be priced bellow the Commodore to sell.

I think the reason is more that most people on these forums don't have the option of buying a Commodore, but they can buy Camrys.

Why don't Ford and GM release their Aussie models in the US? Emissions issues?

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
Oh I get it, it's a Toyota. The brand name negates it's inferiority over the new Commodore on this forum. It will have to be priced bellow the Commodore to sell.

I think the reason is more that most people on these forums don't have the option of buying a Commodore, but they can buy Camrys.

Why don't Ford and GM release their Aussie models in the US? Emissions issues?

Well they tried with the GTO, but got burned for bland exterior styling, although the interior and performance were as excellent.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: AdamK47 3DS
Oh I get it, it's a Toyota. The brand name negates it's inferiority over the new Commodore on this forum. It will have to be priced bellow the Commodore to sell.

I think the reason is more that most people on these forums don't have the option of buying a Commodore, but they can buy Camrys.

Why don't Ford and GM release their Aussie models in the US? Emissions issues?

I'm pretty sure the commodore is coming here as a pontiac.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
woa that looks cool! a lot of people still want FWD, so why not give FWD dudes (better for all-weather conditions) a bit more power? Do all performance vehicles HAVE to be RWD? A lot of people like the civic SI, yet it's FWD. I think modern chassis' and suspensions make a FWD car near comparable to a RWD car. Of course, that's just what I've been told and read around, and I will probably be proven wrong by RWD fanboys w/ their fanboist arguments

190hp through the front wheels, especially with a LSD, is a much different story than 320hp.

The nissan maxima and the mitsu eclipse put about 260 hp through the front wheels, and its torque steer city unless traction control is on, which gimps it.

The new mazdaspeed 3 puts about 250 through the front wheels - but the torque is limited by the ECU in the first two gears, because even that is too much.

I just can't see how 320 can be even feasible without defeating the purpose by gimping it off the line.

Your tire's traction can either be used for turning, or accelerating (or braking). Try to do both at the same time, and you have serious problems. With RWD, one set is accelerating, and one is turning, so it's not so bad.

hmm ic. I myself never really drove FWD vehicles so, I donno how "torque steer" feels like.

(only driven parent's cars when I was younger, which were nothing but Benz's, Lexus GS300, and SUV's).

I currently have a '97 Ford Exploder, which is 4WD, but power goes to RWD first, then to front wheels via xfer case thing, heh.

So ya, I never really experienced what torque steer is like, except maybe as a passenger in my friends' cars. Whenever they go fast along a slight turn, the car has more body roll than I'd like and jerks towards the direction they're steering. Doesn't feel all taht smooth of a turn.


anyways, i still think that, that aussie camry looks badass hehe

 

[krunchykrome]

Meh, why not just buy a TL?

 

[AdamK47]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
woa that looks cool! a lot of people still want FWD, so why not give FWD dudes (better for all-weather conditions) a bit more power? Do all performance vehicles HAVE to be RWD? A lot of people like the civic SI, yet it's FWD. I think modern chassis' and suspensions make a FWD car near comparable to a RWD car. Of course, that's just what I've been told and read around, and I will probably be proven wrong by RWD fanboys w/ their fanboist arguments

190hp through the front wheels, especially with a LSD, is a much different story than 320hp.

The nissan maxima and the mitsu eclipse put about 260 hp through the front wheels, and its torque steer city unless traction control is on, which gimps it.

The new mazdaspeed 3 puts about 250 through the front wheels - but the torque is limited by the ECU in the first two gears, because even that is too much.

I just can't see how 320 can be even feasible without defeating the purpose by gimping it off the line.

Your tire's traction can either be used for turning, or accelerating (or braking). Try to do both at the same time, and you have serious problems. With RWD, one set is accelerating, and one is turning, so it's not so bad.

hmm ic. I myself never really drove FWD vehicles so, I donno how "torque steer" feels like.

(only driven parent's cars when I was younger, which were nothing but Benz's, Lexus GS300, and SUV's).

I currently have a '97 Ford Exploder, which is 4WD, but power goes to RWD first, then to front wheels via xfer case thing, heh.

So ya, I never really experienced what torque steer is like, except maybe as a passenger in my friends' cars. Whenever they go fast along a slight turn, the car has more body roll than I'd like and jerks towards the direction they're steering. Doesn't feel all taht smooth of a turn.


anyways, i still think that, that aussie camry looks badass hehe

I drive my wife?s Monte Carlo SS quite often. Even with 200ish HP I've felt the torque steer. It feels like a dirty baby diapers. I HATE FWD!!

 

[JulesMaximus]

That looks way better than the ugly duck they sell here under the Camry name.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
woa that looks cool! a lot of people still want FWD, so why not give FWD dudes (better for all-weather conditions) a bit more power? Do all performance vehicles HAVE to be RWD? A lot of people like the civic SI, yet it's FWD. I think modern chassis' and suspensions make a FWD car near comparable to a RWD car. Of course, that's just what I've been told and read around, and I will probably be proven wrong by RWD fanboys w/ their fanboist arguments

190hp through the front wheels, especially with a LSD, is a much different story than 320hp.

The nissan maxima and the mitsu eclipse put about 260 hp through the front wheels, and its torque steer city unless traction control is on, which gimps it.

The new mazdaspeed 3 puts about 250 through the front wheels - but the torque is limited by the ECU in the first two gears, because even that is too much.

I just can't see how 320 can be even feasible without defeating the purpose by gimping it off the line.

Your tire's traction can either be used for turning, or accelerating (or braking). Try to do both at the same time, and you have serious problems. With RWD, one set is accelerating, and one is turning, so it's not so bad.

hmm ic. I myself never really drove FWD vehicles so, I donno how "torque steer" feels like.

(only driven parent's cars when I was younger, which were nothing but Benz's, Lexus GS300, and SUV's).

I currently have a '97 Ford Exploder, which is 4WD, but power goes to RWD first, then to front wheels via xfer case thing, heh.

So ya, I never really experienced what torque steer is like, except maybe as a passenger in my friends' cars. Whenever they go fast along a slight turn, the car has more body roll than I'd like and jerks towards the direction they're steering. Doesn't feel all taht smooth of a turn.


anyways, i still think that, that aussie camry looks badass hehe

Torque steer is when you lay down so much torque to your front wheels, that any imperfections in the road, lack of traction etc gets transferred through your wheels onto your steering wheel. The more torque you put out, the worse the steer is. It can range from annoying (a little tug to the left or right when you step on it), to outright dangerous - a strong jerk that sends you all over the place, maybe even into the next lane or another car if you're not careful. There are ways to minimize it in FWD, but most of them involve limiting the amount of torque that can be put out, which essentially defeats the purpose of having so much to begin with. With 320hp, you better have an iron grip on that wheel.

 

[fbrdphreak]

I was kinda impressed until I converted the 240kW to HP: 321.84HP :Q:Q:Q I wanna know how much torque that car has, because I would NOT want to be driving a 300+ HP FWD car.

However quite nice looking and were it AWD or RWD could be a good competitor

 

[mercanucaribe]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
woa that looks cool! a lot of people still want FWD, so why not give FWD dudes (better for all-weather conditions) a bit more power? Do all performance vehicles HAVE to be RWD? A lot of people like the civic SI, yet it's FWD. I think modern chassis' and suspensions make a FWD car near comparable to a RWD car. Of course, that's just what I've been told and read around, and I will probably be proven wrong by RWD fanboys w/ their fanboist arguments

Australians prefer RWD.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Waaaaay too expensive, who do they think will be buying it? Add 7K and you got BMW550 with 360hp and RWD.

that's probably australian currency, which converts to about 38K USD

Yea but then I'd probably get an IS350 with that money...

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Waaaaay too expensive, who do they think will be buying it? Add 7K and you got BMW550 with 360hp and RWD.

that's probably australian currency, which converts to about 38K USD

Yea but then I'd probably get an IS350 with that money...

So 38k?

2003 SVT Cobra 'Terminator': $25k
Kenne Bell 2.8L blower: $4k
exhaust, induction, fuel system, .500" lift cams, high flow heads, basic suspension and driveline upgrades: $9k

700-800 RWHP with IRS on only 93 octane owning every car mentioned here and every other car thread on Anandtech with 3 passengers: priceless

And thats only the start of that cars potential. Easy to get 9 second 1/4s, 0-60 under 4 seconds, 3 if you can hook, and 1+g skidpad. Who says American cars can't handle in turns?

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
Waaaaay too expensive, who do they think will be buying it? Add 7K and you got BMW550 with 360hp and RWD.

that's probably australian currency, which converts to about 38K USD

Yea but then I'd probably get an IS350 with that money...

If it were to be sold here, the price almost certainly wouldn't be that high. The pricing in other markets even after exchange rates is almost always high, even for the same car. Cars in the US are cheaper than pretty much anywhere else.