Meat vs no meat

[Matthiasa]

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Do you guys order "spaghetti marinara" and expect meat?

I've seen stuff marketed as marinara that has meat in it.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Wrong.

Lasagna is lasagna. Lasagna without meat is meatless Lasagna.

Since you don't have to put any qualifiers in front of lasagna, that infers that it comes with meat.

Lasagna is no different than any other pasta dish. I don't assume spaghetti has meat in it unless it is qualified with "and meatballs".

 

[homercles337]

Help me resolve an problem with a coworker and fellow ATOT member. Should Lasagna have meat in it or not? I am not talking about your fancy lasagnas, just your normal everyday lasagna. He even screwed up his own arguement stating that a vegetarian would ask when ordering it at a restaurant if it had meat in it or not.

EDIT: Because he is saying I worded it wrong even though to me it makes sense. He says that the question should be, Does Lasagna normally have meat in it.

There are many different types of lasagna (i have even made a cheese-less, meat-less lasagna), but traditional lasagna is made with Bolognese sauce. So, yes, meat.

 

[slag]

Lasagna is no different than any other pasta dish. I don't assume spaghetti has meat in it unless it is qualified with "and meatballs".

Ah, but it is different.

Spaghetti is simply noodles and a tomato based sauce. Spaghetti with meatsauce, spaghetti with meatballs, etc, all imply it comes with meat. Traditional spaghetti is just noodles and sauce though with no meat.

 

[MotF Bane]

Good point. If a good looking woman says to put meat in it, you put meat in it.

The end.

 

[zinfamous]

Lasagna is no different than any other pasta dish. I don't assume spaghetti has meat in it unless it is qualified with "and meatballs".

that would be "spaghetti marinara, with meatballs"

You could also order "spaghetti bolognese," which is explicitly a meat ragu. or "speghetti putanesca," generally an anchovy-based meat sauce--very tasty.

basically in this thread--both sides of the argument are technically correct.

We (Reading: Americas) will assume Lasagna has meat, simply because that is more typical for us. But it is also correct that lasagna, and other pasta dishes, will come with meat when specified, or otherwise. it's a simply a matter of simple ignorance of language--yes, the dish you order will almost always tell you that it has meat or not.

So, a culture's expectations based on simple ignorance does not validate the argument that these assumptions are correct--by virtue of not knowing that information has always been there for you.

 

[zinfamous]

Ah, but it is different.

Spaghetti is simply noodles and a tomato based sauce. Spaghetti with meatsauce, spaghetti with meatballs, etc, all imply it comes with meat. Traditional spaghetti is just noodles and sauce though with no meat.

no.

spaghetti is pasta. that's it.

spaghetti al marinara, al bolognese, etc, is not "spaghetti."

pasta dishes are about the pasta--the sauce or whatever you typically eat with it, is, basically, a garnish. (well, more substantial than a garnish, of course--but the sauces have much less variety than the many different types of pasta)

 

[zinfamous]

I've seen stuff marketed as marinara that has meat in it.

what is this, Olive Garden?

 

[Ackmed]

Haha, vegetarians.

 

[Sixguns]

what is this, Olive Garden?

Hey! I like Olive Garden. Their breadsticks are the best!

 

[ViperXX]

I'm going to help you guys grasp the concept.

Lasagna is like a base price vehicle.

Base Ford Mustang: Is just a Mustang
Base Lasagna with just tomato sauce and cheese is lasagna

A mustang with a V8 engine is now a GT Mustang
Lasagna with meat in it is now lasagna with meat.

 

[Sixguns]

This whole thing came up yesterday because here at work, I work with Viperxx(crazy guy who doesnt put meat in lasagna), every two weeks we do a lunch potluck type thing and he wanted to make lasagna. We were all shocked when he said that he makes it without meat because that is the proper way to make it. This has now lasted two days and I know will keep going. So today at lunch we had his lasagna. He made one with meat and one with out. Guess which one he went for first?!?!? The one with MEAT!!! It is the better of the two and we than named the other spaghetti casserole.

 

[ViperXX]

This whole thing came up yesterday because here at work, I work with Viperxx(crazy guy who doesnt put meat in lasagna), every two weeks we do a lunch potluck type thing and he wanted to make lasagna. We were all shocked when he said that he makes it without meat because that is the proper way to make it. This has now lasted two days and I know will keep going. So today at lunch we had his lasagna. He made one with meat and one with out. Guess which one he went for first?!?!? The one with MEAT!!! It is the better of the two and we than named the other spaghetti casserole.

Freaking ratass tattle tell!!!!!!!

 

[Sixguns]

Freaking ratass tattle tell!!!!!!!

ATOT needs to know what you have done!D:

 

[CraigRT]

I always assume there is meat in the lasagna unless someone explicitly tells me otherwise.

KT

This for me...
Meat lasagna is awesome.. Veggie also good.

 

[highland145]

Freaking ratass tattle tell!!!!!!!

92% lol

ATOT needs to know what you have done!D:

LOL.

 

[Jaskalas]

MEAT!

At this point I'm afraid the poll is corrupted by personal preference, and isn't really something you wager a technical definition on. Cause after I voted for meat I got to thinking about Spaghetti, and then realized not all sauces have meat. So I got to wondering if that is true for one, then perhaps it must be true for another.

Which case I'm prepared to accept 'no meat' but I've already jumped the gun on the way I think it should be.

Does Lasagna normally have meat in it.

Normal... defined by the majority, still doesn't substitute for an actual definition. Of course we love meat, and most of what we eat will include that. Doesn't mean it necessarily has to.

 

[Sixguns]

MEAT!

At this point I'm afraid the poll is corrupted by personal preference, and isn't really something you wager a technical definition on. Cause after I voted for meat I got to thinking about Spaghetti, and then realized not all sauces have meat. So I got to wondering if that is true for one, then perhaps it must be true for another.

Which case I'm prepared to accept 'no meat' but I've already jumped the gun on the way I think it should be.



Normal... defined by the majority, still doesn't substitute for an actual definition. Of course we love meat, and most of what we eat will include that. Doesn't mean it necessarily has to.

This was the point of the poll. That meat in is the normal. Was not looking for actual definition just the majority rule.

 

[Matthiasa]

what is this, Olive Garden?

Very close, it was in a jar.

 

[GrumpyMan]

Meatless lasagna was invented in 60's because of those stinking hippies in San Francisco. Sacrilege if you ask me. And any good sauce is made with meat too.

 

[Schfifty Five]

LOL @ poll "question" fail.

Meat vs No Meat:

yes or no.....wtf?

I voted yes as to signify yes, there should be meat in lasagna.

 

[zinfamous]

ATOT needs to know what you have done!D:

see, I think yoiu are both right and both wrong, just as the "normal" as assumed by Americans is based on the same type of ignorance.

Viper is very much correct that "Lasagna" is simply the base food. Whether or not it has meat is always specified by the type of Lasagna. Either it is "lasagna Bolognese" or "Lasagna marinara," ...in fact, the more I think about it, it might simply be "Lasagna" if there is no meat.

hell, even the cheapo frozen dinners at the supermarket will say "spaghetti bolognese" or "lasagna bolognese" --or "lasagna with meat."
:hmm:

I might have to reconsider the fact that 99 people who voted incorrectly aren't simply unintentionally ignorant on the subject, but quite willfully ignorant.

this would be tragic for you Olive Garden people.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Meatless lasagna = non-alcoholic beer = caffeine-free coffee = vegan pizza = an abomination whose very name is an oxymoron and an affront to God.

Thus concludeth the math lesson for the day.

 

[Rocksinhead]

There is no correct answer for this question except the correct answer is yes it does. Lasagna without meat is just egg noodles and ketchup.

 

[Schfifty Five]

There is no correct answer for this question except the correct answer is yes it does. Lasagna without meat is just egg noodles and ketchup.

Wow, this thread drew out a lurker. nice.