Media collusion with the Clinton campaign is not good for our Democracy

Page 5 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

VRAMdemon

Diamond Member
Aug 16, 2012
6,572
7,823
136
Well, when caught using private servers for official government business the Bushies did turn over all the RNC servers and all the backup tapes to the National Archives so that they could determine which emails were official business and should be preserved, even though that gave the National Archives people access to all the RNC's political and personal emails on those servers. Compare that to Hillary Clinton who, when caught using a private server for ALL her official business, hired professionals to wipe the data and physically destroy the media, then gave printed versions of selected emails. Sometimes selectively edited selected emails. In honesty and accountability, the Bushies are head and shoulders above the Hildabeast.

Are you talking about Between 2003 and 2009?. The Bush White House “lost” 22 million emails.

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html
 
Nov 25, 2013
32,083
11,718
136

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
26,663
24,959
136
Whelp, just heard it on ABC News radio;Trump has gone all in and says that it's a 'conspiracy by the media and bankers' to bring down his candidacy. Dog whistle ahoy!

He knows his core supporters well. I expect to soon hear that will make sure the trains run on time.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,323
15,121
136
And you don't think that is by design? Come on now, only simpletons think this was "just discovered" -- not saying you are one, just speaking in general terms about the American public. The media and/or the Clintons sat on this waiting to spring it. They could have dumped this earlier in the election cycle. Kind of like what is happening with Wikileaks now. It is by design that all of this garbage is dumped about both candidates this late.

And to address your last point, yes, Republicans could have dug up more dirt on Trump and probably should have. Still just as bad is that the DNC and the party in general lets Hillary run and get nominated when she has so much negative favorability. Seriously, they couldn't find anyone more likable and suited to do the job? Or is it just because "it is her turn"?

Just about anyone from either party would instantly be more electable if they went up against either of these two people that we have now.

Just a little point of fact; hillarys favorability rating was higher, even among Republicans, right up until she was thinking about running for president. Hmm...I wonder what changed?

(feel free to ignore the commentary and simply look at the citations and examples)
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/another-republican-admits-benghazi-panel-political

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...y-clintons-approval-rating-secretary-state-w/
 

nickqt

Diamond Member
Jan 15, 2015
7,585
7,825
136
I still find it hilarious that the "alphabet" media is portrayed as being "liberal" when it is owned by companies like Comcast/GE, Disney, Viacom, and lol, FOX.

The media isn't liberal. It is non-factual. It is "he said, she said".

It's, "well, (R) says this, but (D) says that. We'll leave it at that. Now, watch these commercials like good consumers and don't even pretend to be an informed citizen".

It is BothSidesDoIt™ now. BothSidesDoIt™ tomorrow. BothSidesDoIt™ forever.

The media used to be a money-losing venture provided as a public utility in return for the networks having access to the public airwaves.

Now, the media is required to make a profit. Which means that rather than being "liberal", it wants to piss off the least amount of people, so they just report, and, uh, let you decide, if that sounds familiar to anyone. It is the current recipe for the media in general. Because the current media wants a horserace and it wants you to just sit there, shut up, and watch commercials in between the talking heads.

Not to mention, the whole "liberal media" trope was started because some fucking poll showed that journalists themselves were more liberal than conservative. Meaning the sports reporter is providing you with liberally biased basketball scores and game analysis...if you're a raving lunatic who believes whatever Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity shits into your skull on nationally syndicated radio programs and highly-paid media perches every single day for the past two decades.

Holy shit. Stop being chumps and take a look around. Quit posting links to misleading information from Breitbart before running away from the thread, to just go and post more bullshit misleading information from Daily Caller, and the other disinformation morons you fall for over and over again.

You're being duped.

And Trump is the ultimate tell, if you can just stop being a god damn victim and take personal responsibility. For once.

For America.
 

agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
12,203
1,242
86
And you don't think that is by design? Come on now, only simpletons think this was "just discovered" -- not saying you are one, just speaking in general terms about the American public. The media and/or the Clintons sat on this waiting to spring it. They could have dumped this earlier in the election cycle. Kind of like what is happening with Wikileaks now. It is by design that all of this garbage is dumped about both candidates this late.

And to address your last point, yes, Republicans could have dug up more dirt on Trump and probably should have. Still just as bad is that the DNC and the party in general lets Hillary run and get nominated when she has so much negative favorability. Seriously, they couldn't find anyone more likable and suited to do the job? Or is it just because "it is her turn"?

Just about anyone from either party would instantly be more electable if they went up against either of these two people that we have now.

Just a heads up that a relatively mundane centrist has high unfavorables because people like you are easily influenced.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
And you don't think that is by design? Come on now, only simpletons think this was "just discovered" -- not saying you are one, just speaking in general terms about the American public. The media and/or the Clintons sat on this waiting to spring it. They could have dumped this earlier in the election cycle. Kind of like what is happening with Wikileaks now. It is by design that all of this garbage is dumped about both candidates this late.

And to address your last point, yes, Republicans could have dug up more dirt on Trump and probably should have. Still just as bad is that the DNC and the party in general lets Hillary run and get nominated when she has so much negative favorability. Seriously, they couldn't find anyone more likable and suited to do the job? Or is it just because "it is her turn"?

Just about anyone from either party would instantly be more electable if they went up against either of these two people that we have now.

Poor Donald. Everybody is against him. The story is that NBC dug out the footage at some point & planned to release it after the second debate. In an act of sheer partisan political genius, some staffer leaked it to the NYT who published it the Friday before.

Donald? Screw you, Donald. It's your Karma, asshole, so enjoy.

Republicans? You built this! That seems to mean something different today than it did four years ago, however. This is your political base. You needed to quit crazifying these poor people a long time ago. Yeh, sure, it's the only way you could trick them into voting for trickle down economics, over & over, but you've unleashed forces beyond your control. Trump isn't what's wrong- he's just a symptom of what's wrong.
 

VRAMdemon

Diamond Member
Aug 16, 2012
6,572
7,823
136
And you don't think that is by design? Come on now, only simpletons think this was "just discovered" -- not saying you are one, just speaking in general terms about the American public. The media and/or the Clintons sat on this waiting to spring it. They could have dumped this earlier in the election cycle. Kind of like what is happening with Wikileaks now. It is by design that all of this garbage is dumped about both candidates this late.

And to address your last point, yes, Republicans could have dug up more dirt on Trump and probably should have. Still just as bad is that the DNC and the party in general lets Hillary run and get nominated when she has so much negative favorability. Seriously, they couldn't find anyone more likable and suited to do the job? Or is it just because "it is her turn"?

Just about anyone from either party would instantly be more electable if they went up against either of these two people that we have now.

Well, after Trump didn't do well in the first debate and his poll numbers dropped, he started threatening to get "nasty" and hinted at bringing up Bills indiscretions. Your right, they could have dumped this early in the election cycle..The question is why didn't they?..Its possible that they would have never have released this if Trump didn't want to go down that road
 

K1052

Elite Member
Aug 21, 2003
46,828
34,765
136
Same every election - the liberal news outlets claim to have just received the negative material that has existed for decades. Not buying it.

If you're determined to see conspiracy around every corner then no possible argument or set of facts will convince you. Doesn't seem like a very rational position to stake out.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,805
29,556
146
That was my point, that (using your numbers) 20% of the population get right-slanted news from Fox News but 80% get left-slanted news from ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC/MSNBC. There is no point in claiming that Fox News is some sort of influence because in the overall scheme of things, they are simply preaching to the choir. I'm pretty conservative and even I don't watch it. (Although I would if I were available when Shep Smith or Brett Bair (sp?) were on, it's just that when I am available to consume TV news, Fox is all annoying echo chamber in pretty pole dancer packages.)

I don't know where you are getting these numbers. If Fox news grabs a majority share of 20% of viewers because there are dozens of news stations, that doesn't mean the other 80% of viewers are getting "pure liberal claptrap" fed into their brain.

This is poor understanding of numbers. Fox obviously isn't the only conservative rag, either. A lot of the actual audience for news is down simply because people don't actually watch the news. A 20% share for Fox doesn't mean those other 80% of viewers are watching some other news. It means some of them are, and some of them are watching cat videos or Andy Griffith reruns. It also seems that more and more people are depending on radio and the online blogosphere for their "news." I don't think I have to tell you that the radio-based news broadcasts are predominantly conservative. The sociopaths that seem to have captured dependable audiences with their conspiracy-based blogs also seem to dominate the online news presence...but I'm really just assuming there based on what I've seen. It could simply be that the extreme minority of people (ultra right-wing sociopaths like OroooORoroOO and spidey or leftist commie pinkos like, I dunno, Dave?) are just the loudest.

I wonder if there is any data here?
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
11,679
1,944
126
I understand human nature. You someone think that people can completely turn off their liberal bias.
I didn't actually say what you say that I said. You'd make a terrible journalist. I'm guessing you don't make a great professional either.
 

agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
12,203
1,242
86
Glenn Greenwald wrote an excellent article about the DNC echo chamber. With absolutely no evidence of tampering, all of the wikileaks emails are thrown out as invalid.
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/11...nconvenient-truths-are-recast-as-putin-plots/

Please read that article before replying to me. If you still believe there's no conspiracy, there's nothing in the world that will change your mind.

I know you like to use that word a lot but conspiracy doesn't mean a person or persons was wrong.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
11,679
1,944
126
Glenn Greenwald wrote an excellent article about the DNC echo chamber. With absolutely no evidence of tampering, all of the wikileaks emails are thrown out as invalid.
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/11...nconvenient-truths-are-recast-as-putin-plots/

Please read that article before replying to me. If you still believe there's no conspiracy, there's nothing in the world that will change your mind.
Wait... you think this proves there's a conspiracy of what?

All this does is show that Dems are susceptible to the same poor thinking in which Rep's frequently take pride.

This is not news.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,323
15,121
136
I read it and I will continue to treat Democratic claims the same way I treat Republican claims, verify.

Anyone who doesn't will more than likely be susceptible to propaganda. And yes, I already saw how the Clinton/Democrat camp was spinning these emails but I didn't think much of it as I haven't seen the talking point being parroted around here.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
I read it and I will continue to treat Democratic claims the same way I treat Republican claims, verify.

Anyone who doesn't will more than likely be susceptible to propaganda. And yes, I already saw how the Clinton/Democrat camp was spinning these emails but I didn't think much of it as I haven't seen the talking point being parroted around here.

Spin aside, the upshot is that there's really nothing truly embarrassing in the Podesta email hack. People who believe that there are just have very high bullshit receptivity.

When they go to the trouble to link it up, the actual email doesn't mean what they've been led to believe it means at all. The whole anti catholic "conspiracy" is a great example. The sentiments expressed are quite common among American Catholics.
 

bpatters69

Senior member
Aug 25, 2004
314
1
81
Regardless of how you feel about the candidates the media collusion with the Clinton campaign as evidenced by all of the recent email dumps should be worrisome for all of us. We rely on journalist to be our government watchdogs, and their independence is critical to a fully functioning democracy. There's been plenty come out that shows some of our leading news organizations being a bit too cozy with Clinton staffers, given this how can they adequately fulfill their role as watchdogs?

Could not agree more. Either way... media complicity for either candidate is NOT good. +100000
 

Knowing

Golden Member
Mar 18, 2014
1,522
13
46
Wait... you think this proves there's a conspiracy of what?

All this does is show that Dems are susceptible to the same poor thinking in which Rep's frequently take pride.

This is not news.
The entire fourth estate rallying behind one candidate, allowing that candidate to ghostwrite anything, and reporting allegation or confirmed falsehood as fact, potential harming our foreign relations and in documented cases actually conspiring isn't a small thing.

Fascinating that this is happening when Trump is being painted as the fascist.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,681
136
The entire fourth estate rallying behind one candidate, allowing that candidate to ghostwrite anything, and reporting allegation or confirmed falsehood as fact, potential harming our foreign relations and in documented cases actually conspiring isn't a small thing.

Fascinating that this is happening when Trump is being painted as the fascist.

Fascinating that anybody could believe any of that. It's pure conspiracy theory.
 
Reactions: Aegeon

DrDoug

Diamond Member
Jan 16, 2014
3,579
1,629
136
The entire fourth estate rallying behind one candidate, allowing that candidate to ghostwrite anything, and reporting allegation or confirmed falsehood as fact, potential harming our foreign relations and in documented cases actually conspiring isn't a small thing.

Fascinating that this is happening when Trump is being painted as the fascist.

What's fascinating is that there are people as blithely ignorant as you seem to be, although it's almost as if it's a deliberate decision on your part.
 
Reactions: MongGrel

MrPickins

Diamond Member
May 24, 2003
9,022
599
126
The entire fourth estate rallying behind one candidate, allowing that candidate to ghostwrite anything, and reporting allegation or confirmed falsehood as fact, potential harming our foreign relations and in documented cases actually conspiring isn't a small thing.

Fascinating that this is happening when Trump is being painted as the fascist.


Seriously.

This is sheer paranoid fantasy.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
11,679
1,944
126
The entire fourth estate rallying behind one candidate, allowing that candidate to ghostwrite anything, and reporting allegation or confirmed falsehood as fact, potential harming our foreign relations and in documented cases actually conspiring isn't a small thing.

Fascinating that this is happening when Trump is being painted as the fascist.
BAH HA HA HA ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Phew. That is some gold right there.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |